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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 15, 2024 14:27:45 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Feb 15, 2024 15:38:09 GMT -5
Wonder what happened? Would have been interesting to see how that turns out. Markstrom has not always been good under pressure.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 15, 2024 16:42:43 GMT -5
1st, 3rd and a roster for Guentzel... wow
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 15, 2024 16:43:48 GMT -5
According to Leaf fans Robertson was the next coming of Gretzky
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Post by seventeen on Feb 15, 2024 17:46:54 GMT -5
1st, 3rd and a roster for Guentzel... wow Is this a proposal? To Leafs? If Robertson is the roster player, are they talking about the Leafs roster or the Marlies roster? |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 15, 2024 17:53:22 GMT -5
1st, 3rd and a roster for Guentzel... wow Is this a proposal? To Leafs? If Robertson is the roster player, are they talking about the Leafs roster or the Marlies roster? You have the rumors mixed up, the pens want a 1st, 3rd and a roster player for guentzel... the Leafs are looking for offers for Robertson |
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Post by folatre on Feb 15, 2024 17:57:38 GMT -5
Guentzel got injured last night in the Pens loss to Florida. If he was healthy, could he garner a return like that? Yes, I could see a contender offering something like a 1st, a 3rd, and a nice prospect who could make the jump to the league next season. However, I think that robust of a return may only be available if Guentzel was on board with an extension. Otherwise, I believe it would be extraordinarily rare for a rental winger to yield so much.
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Post by jkr on Feb 15, 2024 19:05:58 GMT -5
Is this person listing sources 1-10 to give the rumor more credibility? Because when you take out the repeats, I count 5 different sources. And one of those guys (Hutcheon) is just another dude at the 4th Period, so it's really 4. Of those I'd only take Friedman and Lebrun seriously. Lebrun was on Overdrive tonight & never mentioned this. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 15, 2024 19:33:11 GMT -5
Is this person listing sources 1-10 to give the rumor more credibility? Because when you take out the repeats, I count 5 different sources. And one of those guys (Hutcheon) is just another dude at the 4th Period, so it's really 4. Of those I'd only take Friedman and Lebrun seriously. Lebrun was on Overdrive tonight & never mentioned this. I don't know, the 1 to 10 is for each one of the trade rumors... I thought it was interesting info |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 3, 2024 10:11:19 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Mar 3, 2024 14:26:44 GMT -5
I don't have an IG account. What were they saying about Savard?
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 3, 2024 15:46:17 GMT -5
I don't have an IG account. What were they saying about Savard? Allen will be traded... Attachments:
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Post by folatre on Mar 3, 2024 16:42:02 GMT -5
Guentzel and Hanifin are the best players on the market. But I doubt there are many serious suitors for them because no one wants to tirar manteca al techo for a pure rental. From what the insiders on TSN have been saying, both guys want mega rich deals and are very picky about the clubs who would have any chance of extending them. Friedman said something yesterday about Hanifin's top choices being Boston and Tampa, which seems ludicrous for Craig Conroy to accommodate since the Bruins and Lightning have basically no picks and no worthwhile prospects.
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Post by jkr on Mar 3, 2024 17:10:32 GMT -5
If Hanifan is UFA why does it matter to him where he goes right now. He could finish out the season with the new team & sign where he wants in the summer.
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Post by folatre on Mar 3, 2024 18:27:51 GMT -5
For sure, Conroy should trade him to whoever puts the best offer on the table. But if the player/agent was more willing to discuss extension with various potential landing spots, then Calgary could, at least in theory, be likely to get a better haul.
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Post by jkr on Mar 3, 2024 18:38:45 GMT -5
Of course, of course. I'm not thinking long term.
Thanks
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 4, 2024 18:13:22 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Mar 4, 2024 19:56:15 GMT -5
Hello Rags, send over Perreault for Savard and our late 1st.
OR Kakoo and a 2nd
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Post by folatre on Mar 4, 2024 20:23:26 GMT -5
Thanks, Willie. Lebrun is a super solid source and what he says in the fine print of the actual quote is clear and logical. However, I had to laugh because the hftv headline makes it sound like the Habs are so crazy they are asking for a first, plus a young player, and another pick, which of course would be ludicrous.
Hockey is debatable, but for me no one is going to offer a first. No one is likely to offer a prospect that they presently value as a first, though maybe Hughes' valuation of a kid could differ from some other GM's. And last but not least what combination of picks would Hughes deem to be equivalent to a first? Are two seconds worth a first? I would say no, they are not equivalent.
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Post by jkr on Mar 4, 2024 21:02:40 GMT -5
LOL. That's what I thought when I read the headline- that would be quite a haul.
Perhaps this is Hughes' way of saying that he doesn't really want to trade Savard. But if someone wants to meet that high bar then OK, let's talk.
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 4, 2024 22:34:43 GMT -5
A lot of people are saying that late first rounders aren't worth much this year. So I could see some teams giving them up.
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Post by IamCanadiens on Mar 5, 2024 10:08:23 GMT -5
LOL. That's what I thought when I read the headline- that would be quite a haul. Perhaps this is Hughes' way of saying that he doesn't really want to trade Savard. But if someone wants to meet that high bar then OK, let's talk. He probably won't trade him because Savard is happy to stay put and Hughes is a people first kind of guy. Savard isn't driven by winning a Cup as he has accomplished that already. Further, the dressing room is great, the team is developing nicely, he gets to mentor young players, be a leader and he's at home. Beyond the crotchety fans and crazy media he's where he wants to be. |
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Post by folatre on Mar 5, 2024 16:54:56 GMT -5
A lot of people are saying that late first rounders aren't worth much this year. So I could see some teams giving them up. I have heard that too. Jason Bukala from Sportsnet scouted for a long time and he talked to 12 NHL scouts last month and in his column he reports that the consensus seems to be the drop-off in right around 20th overall, although apparently one of his sources opined that the anything after 14 looks increasingly sketchy. According to Lebrun, if someone puts a first on the table, then Savard moves. I doubt it. But time will say. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 5, 2024 18:30:43 GMT -5
Folatre - Thanks for the reference to Jason Bakala. I had not seen his articles before . There's a lot of interesting & insightful stuff there.
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Post by folatre on Mar 5, 2024 19:02:08 GMT -5
For sure, he seems like an experienced hand in the league and a smart guy. He is a Sens fan, I believe. However, I do not think he really has any affiliation with that organization.
In terms of how this overall assessment of the 2024 draft class impacts the Habs, I sort of surmise that we can all breathe easy. Montreal is a lock to finish in the bottom 5-8 range, so that pick should yield an impactful kid (two years down the road, of course) unless your scouts really get something wrong. And the Winnipeg pick, who knows. In reality, if one sees some weight in those scouts' assessments of how things look after #20 then it probably does not matter all that much whether the Jets win their division or not because what Montreal digs out in terms of a precious stone in the rough is going to depend on the quality of Montreal's scouting acumen rather than whether the Winnipeg pick turns out to be 23OA or 28OA.
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Post by jkr on Mar 6, 2024 15:28:00 GMT -5
LOL. That's what I thought when I read the headline- that would be quite a haul. Perhaps this is Hughes' way of saying that he doesn't really want to trade Savard. But if someone wants to meet that high bar then OK, let's talk. He probably won't trade him because Savard is happy to stay put and Hughes is a people first kind of guy. Savard isn't driven by winning a Cup as he has accomplished that already. Further, the dressing room is great, the team is developing nicely, he gets to mentor young players, be a leader and he's at home. Beyond the crotchety fans and crazy media he's where he wants to be. I think he'll stay. It's tough to put a value on tangibles but it is pretty clear that the younger D men look up to him & like playing with him. I think the value he brings on and off the ice is greater than a late first round pick. That pick may not play for MTL for another 2-3 years while Savard's positive influence on the young D corps is paying dividends now. Found this article in The Gazette: montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-inside-out/stu-cowan-canadiens-have-a-tough-decision-to-make-with-david-savard |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 6, 2024 15:55:25 GMT -5
Busy day. Colorado trades Byram (!) to Buffalo for Mittelstadt. Byram has had injuries early in his career, but is uber talented. Is Mittelstadt a true 2C? Enquiring minds etc.
Avs then replace Byram with Sean Walker of Philly and dump Johansen's contract on them along with a first, to make it all work. It's a rental, but Briere loves his first rounders (like Hughes)
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Post by Polarice on Mar 7, 2024 7:50:24 GMT -5
Reached out to my friend and he still hasn't heard anything coming out of Montreal other than what everyone else is hearing on Allen and Savard. No teams mentioned so he figures its just people throwing darts seeing if anything sticks.
He was speaking to someone within the team on the weekend and they seem to suggest again that things wont happen until the draft and free agency. They are not looking to trade any of the "young" guys until they know where they are drafting.
So....I expect the Habs to be fairly quiet Friday, maybe a trade or two to pick up some picks to trade at the draft.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 7, 2024 19:01:47 GMT -5
Looks like the Canes are getting Guentzel
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Post by jkr on Mar 7, 2024 19:28:40 GMT -5
Looks like the Canes are getting Guentzel Bunting may be part of the package. |
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