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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 22, 2024 16:16:05 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 22, 2024 16:16:58 GMT -5
Another record Slaf has is becoming the first teenager in Habs history to record a seven-game point streak, surpassing forward Doug Wickenheiser’s six-game streak on the leaderboard back in February.
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Post by jkr on Mar 22, 2024 17:23:23 GMT -5
Richard would have turned 20 on February 29, 1956. The regular season would have continued until early April. So it is possible that some of those 40 points were scored before the season ended but after he turned 20. I think what is needed is a gamelog from the 1955/56 season to track Richard's scoring, especially after February 29th. RDS has Richard at 34 points in 1955/56. That may be his total before February 29. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 22, 2024 18:12:28 GMT -5
Richard would have turned 20 on February 29, 1956. The regular season would have continued until early April. So it is possible that some of those 40 points were scored before the season ended but after he turned 20. I think what is needed is a gamelog from the 1955/56 season to track Richard's scoring, especially after February 29th. RDS has Richard at 34 points in 1955/56. That may be his total before February 29. Ask and you shall receive Henri Richard played 10 games between Feb 29, 1956 and the end of the season. He got 3 goals and 3 assists in those games Henri Richard 1955-56 Game Logs |
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Post by jkr on Mar 22, 2024 18:57:14 GMT -5
Great find Skilly.
The kind of stuff that's available now is amazing.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 22, 2024 20:32:23 GMT -5
Richard would have turned 20 on February 29, 1956. The regular season would have continued until early April. So it is possible that some of those 40 points were scored before the season ended but after he turned 20. I think what is needed is a gamelog from the 1955/56 season to track Richard's scoring, especially after February 29th. RDS has Richard at 34 points in 1955/56. That may be his total before February 29. Ask and you shall receive Henri Richard played 10 games between Feb 29, 1956 and the end of the season. He got 3 goals and 3 assists in those games Henri Richard 1955-56 Game LogsCool, I guess statmuse uses the whole season, not up to the 20th birthday |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 27, 2024 11:42:50 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Mar 27, 2024 11:56:21 GMT -5
The 2nd best part of this is that he has pushed Tremblay down a notch.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 27, 2024 12:26:28 GMT -5
I'm one of the last guys to defend Tremblay because he was such a dick as a coach, but the comparison is a bit skewed. Mario was 18 years old, the full year, and considering how good that team was, it's a surprise he made it. But the Habs needed grit and the line of Tremblay, Risebrough and Lambert was grit personified (along with a ton of talent). Secondly, Tremblay scored his 39 points in 63 games. It's taken Slaf 71 to exceed him. There are other differences, not all of which support Tremblay. That 3rd line might have gotten the least ice time, but it also had the Big 3 on D, and that team's offence produced 374 goals and a goal differential of +149.
Tremblay suffered the sophomore jinx the next year, with just 27 points on an even stronger team. I loved Mario as a player. Fearless, with good hands and a decent scorer's instincts, along with a willingness to take on anyone. You didn't mess with that team and that line was one reason. So many good gritty players on those Habs. Besides the unicorn Robinson, there was Guy Lapointe, the Bouchards and Chartraws, and Tremblay's line. Sigh.
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Post by Scotty D on Mar 27, 2024 16:39:44 GMT -5
I'm one of the last guys to defend Tremblay because he was such a dick as a coach, but the comparison is a bit skewed. Mario was 18 years old, the full year, and considering how good that team was, it's a surprise he made it. But the Habs needed grit and the line of Tremblay, Risebrough and Lambert was grit personified (along with a ton of talent). Secondly, Tremblay scored his 39 points in 63 games. It's taken Slaf 71 to exceed him. There are other differences, not all of which support Tremblay. That 3rd line might have gotten the least ice time, but it also had the Big 3 on D, and that team's offence produced 374 goals and a goal differential of +149. Tremblay suffered the sophomore jinx the next year, with just 27 points on an even stronger team. I loved Mario as a player. Fearless, with good hands and a decent scorer's instincts, along with a willingness to take on anyone. You didn't mess with that team and that line was one reason. So many good gritty players on those Habs. Besides the unicorn Robinson, there was Guy Lapointe, the Bouchards and Chartraws, and Tremblay's line. Sigh. There is also the GPG league average to consider which was higher back then not enough higher to wash out your comparison in games played but if you also consider the team both guys were part of it is very easily argued that despite the GP difference slafkovsky has accomplished the goal with alot less help than MT had. yes tremblay was a 4th line guy versus slaf who has had more minutes but the quality of the teams were consdierably different. That 70's team was (arguably) the best in NHL ever versus the .... so anyway i'm tired and dont want to think on the rest that i obviously am eluding to. |
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Post by IamCanadiens on Mar 27, 2024 18:50:41 GMT -5
I'm one of the last guys to defend Tremblay because he was such a dick as a coach Haha, that gave me a good laugh. Thanks!....As an aside I think the expectation of a player automatically being a good coach is utterly unrealistic. The constant desire of successful teams like the Habs and Oilers to hire within with limited consideration of required skills has always made me shake my head. In Tremblay's case I don't think he had the people, coaching or conflict skills to be a good coach. As much as I disliked his coaching, I find it hard to blame him for being hired in the first place. That decision was plain stupid. Conversely, I like the decision to hire MSL as coach of a rebuilding team with lots of young guys despite his inexperience as he has so many suitable skills to develop this group........for now. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 27, 2024 21:25:05 GMT -5
Ronald Corey was the dumbest person in the room
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Post by Skilly on Mar 27, 2024 22:03:24 GMT -5
I'm one of the last guys to defend Tremblay because he was such a dick as a coach, but the comparison is a bit skewed. Mario was 18 years old, the full year, and considering how good that team was, it's a surprise he made it. But the Habs needed grit and the line of Tremblay, Risebrough and Lambert was grit personified (along with a ton of talent). Secondly, Tremblay scored his 39 points in 63 games. It's taken Slaf 71 to exceed him. There are other differences, not all of which support Tremblay. That 3rd line might have gotten the least ice time, but it also had the Big 3 on D, and that team's offence produced 374 goals and a goal differential of +149. Tremblay suffered the sophomore jinx the next year, with just 27 points on an even stronger team. I loved Mario as a player. Fearless, with good hands and a decent scorer's instincts, along with a willingness to take on anyone. You didn't mess with that team and that line was one reason. So many good gritty players on those Habs. Besides the unicorn Robinson, there was Guy Lapointe, the Bouchards and Chartraws, and Tremblay's line. Sigh. 33 of Slafkovsky's 40 points have come in the last 41 games. |
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Post by drkcloud on Mar 27, 2024 23:12:30 GMT -5
Ronald Corey was the dumbest person in the room Several years after the Roy fiasco, I ran into Corey at the old Pacific Coliseum in Vancouver as we both entered the public washroom and stood side by side at the old style urine troughs. I imagined myself turning towards him and peeing all over his dress shoes. I was sorely tempted let me tell you |
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 28, 2024 1:19:38 GMT -5
I'm one of the last guys to defend Tremblay because he was such a dick as a coach, but the comparison is a bit skewed. Mario was 18 years old, the full year, and considering how good that team was, it's a surprise he made it. But the Habs needed grit and the line of Tremblay, Risebrough and Lambert was grit personified (along with a ton of talent). Secondly, Tremblay scored his 39 points in 63 games. It's taken Slaf 71 to exceed him. There are other differences, not all of which support Tremblay. That 3rd line might have gotten the least ice time, but it also had the Big 3 on D, and that team's offence produced 374 goals and a goal differential of +149. Tremblay suffered the sophomore jinx the next year, with just 27 points on an even stronger team. I loved Mario as a player. Fearless, with good hands and a decent scorer's instincts, along with a willingness to take on anyone. You didn't mess with that team and that line was one reason. So many good gritty players on those Habs. Besides the unicorn Robinson, there was Guy Lapointe, the Bouchards and Chartraws, and Tremblay's line. Sigh. There is also the GPG league average to consider which was higher back then not enough higher to wash out your comparison in games played but if you also consider the team both guys were part of it is very easily argued that despite the GP difference slafkovsky has accomplished the goal with alot less help than MT had. yes tremblay was a 4th line guy versus slaf who has had more minutes but the quality of the teams were consdierably different. That 70's team was (arguably) the best in NHL ever versus the .... so anyway i'm tired and dont want to think on the rest that i obviously am eluding to. Further in Slaf's favour is that Slafs is almost always playing against the other team's top lines and the opponent's sole focus is to shut down Slafs' line. I doubt there were any teams in Mario's day who went into a game with the Habs and even considered it necessary to focus on shutting down Mario's line. And lastly, Slafs is by far and away a much better player than Mario!!! |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 28, 2024 7:51:19 GMT -5
Ronald Corey was the dumbest person in the room Several years after the Roy fiasco, I ran into Corey at the old Pacific Coliseum in Vancouver as we both entered the public washroom and stood side by side at the old style urine troughs. I imagined myself turning towards him and peeing all over his dress shoes. I was sorely tempted let me tell you Lol... piss on him and ask him what he was thinking |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 28, 2024 7:52:31 GMT -5
There is also the GPG league average to consider which was higher back then not enough higher to wash out your comparison in games played but if you also consider the team both guys were part of it is very easily argued that despite the GP difference slafkovsky has accomplished the goal with alot less help than MT had. yes tremblay was a 4th line guy versus slaf who has had more minutes but the quality of the teams were consdierably different. That 70's team was (arguably) the best in NHL ever versus the .... so anyway i'm tired and dont want to think on the rest that i obviously am eluding to. Further in Slaf's favour is that Slafs is almost always playing against the other team's top lines and the opponent's sole focus is to shut down Slafs' line. I doubt there were any teams in Mario's day who went into a game with the Habs and even considered it necessary to focus on shutting down Mario's line. And lastly, Slafs is by far and away a much better player than Mario!!! That 1st line is really becoming the total package line The TP line 😀 |
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 28, 2024 9:33:16 GMT -5
After Bedard, Slafs is next in rookie scoring and most of the other rookies are much older than Slafs. And yes, I do consider him a rookie as I, and just about everyone else acknowledge that Slafs should not have been in the NHL last year for the 39 games he played. If anything it hurt his development, particularly the injury.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 10, 2024 20:07:45 GMT -5
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 10, 2024 22:19:41 GMT -5
It's always good in hjndsight for everyone to say now that Juri has developed this season and started to blossom that it was the nurturing he has received. But, it will take alot of convincing to get me to accept that it was the right decision to play him in the NHL last year. He was clearly not ready and was taking many dangerous hits regularly and ended up injured. And when Rienbach develops next year everyone will say playing him in Europe for another year was a great idea  Maybe great players progress regardless what you do to them.  |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 10, 2024 23:25:24 GMT -5
Yeah, usually the stars work it out themselves. They waited till December before putting Slaf on the top line, despite the improvements they themselves saw in his game. Could he have developed faster if they'd moved him up earlier, instead of trying every slug in the organization on that top line? Anderson, for Chrissakes....he was found wanting all last year and he got a crack before Slaf.
So take part of the credit, but I think Slaf would have ended up at this point, one way or another.
We have to keep in mind that the Habs management, after Gorton, are all learning themselves. They're rookies or near rookies, so they're going to make mistakes. As in life, not only do you try to keep mistakes to a minimum, but more importantly, don't make the really BIG mistakes. Most little ones end up being inconsequential.
Drafting Slaf avoided making the BIG mistake of taking someone else. I don't think anyone in the 2022 draft class will have a bigger impact than our guy.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 11, 2024 2:30:07 GMT -5
Yeah, usually the stars work it out themselves. They waited till December before putting Slaf on the top line, despite the improvements they themselves saw in his game. Could he have developed faster if they'd moved him up earlier, instead of trying every slug in the organization on that top line? Anderson, for Chrissakes....he was found wanting all last year and he got a crack before Slaf. So take part of the credit, but I think Slaf would have ended up at this point, one way or another. We have to keep in mind that the Habs management, after Gorton, are all learning themselves. They're rookies or near rookies, so they're going to make mistakes. As in life, not only do you try to keep mistakes to a minimum, but more importantly, don't make the really BIG mistakes. Most little ones end up being inconsequential. Drafting Slaf avoided making the BIG mistake of taking someone else. I don't think anyone in the 2022 draft class will have a bigger impact than our guy. I'm all in on Slafs. But when you say one hopes management doesn't make the BIG mistake, they could have cost us our 1st overall gem by a serious injury last year including a major concussion. I guess it was a rookie mistake, and the rookie I'm referring to ain't Juri! |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 11, 2024 8:59:01 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Apr 11, 2024 11:55:14 GMT -5
I’m not sure if it happened exactly as Bieksa said on HNIC, but I did see an interview where Nick was asked if he asked for Slaf to be on his line, and he said he spoke to Marty about it |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 11, 2024 15:11:38 GMT -5
It may have completely changed Marty's mind, or it might have been close to happening anyway. My guess is that management would have tried the 3rd line to 2nd line to top line method and Nick's request changed their minds. Sometimes Marty is decades ahead of his time and sometimes he's as much of a dinosaur as Bergevin. I worry a bit that as he 'ages' as a coach, he becomes more conservative and less of a gambler. You get ahead by taking risks and making those risks successful.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 11, 2024 16:21:46 GMT -5
It may have completely changed Marty's mind, or it might have been close to happening anyway. My guess is that management would have tried the 3rd line to 2nd line to top line method and Nick's request changed their minds. Sometimes Marty is decades ahead of his time and sometimes he's as much of a dinosaur as Bergevin. I worry a bit that as he 'ages' as a coach, he becomes more conservative and less of a gambler. You get ahead by taking risks and making those risks successful. If Martin, MTHead or Clod were coach and Suze went to either of them would Slaf have been put on the 1st line... me thinks not... As long as Marty stays open to input from those around him, he will be fine... I also think HuGo will help Marty stay flexibile |
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Post by jkr on Apr 12, 2024 8:43:49 GMT -5
Especially Therrien. Didn't he ban Price & Subban from doing the triple low 5?
Can't imagine someone like him taking advice from a player.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 12, 2024 13:27:53 GMT -5
I was speculating how They would have handled Slaf if Suzuki hadn’t taken the initiative. Marty's smart enough to go along with Suze. But was that the plan beforehand?
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 12, 2024 14:07:52 GMT -5
I was speculating how They would have handled Slaf if Suzuki hadn’t taken the initiative. Marty's smart enough to go along with Suze. But was that the plan beforehand? That's interesting... MSL is a bright guy, maybe he wanted to see what Suze would do as Captain... see if he would do what he did... not sure but Suze is a captain and a #1 centre |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 12, 2024 18:28:41 GMT -5
I was speculating how They would have handled Slaf if Suzuki hadn’t taken the initiative. Marty's smart enough to go along with Suze. But was that the plan beforehand? That's interesting... MSL is a bright guy, maybe he wanted to see what Suze would do as Captain... see if he would do what he did... not sure but Suze is a captain and a #1 centre The choice was an excellent one. When was he named captain? |
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Maybe great players progress regardless what you do to them. 