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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 7, 2024 12:36:50 GMT -5
Anaheim and Montreal make a trade. Just not the player you were thinking of. For what it is worth Jacob Perreault is the son of ex Hab Yanic Perreault and was drafter in the first round of the 2020 draft, 1 round higher than Mysak.
Unfortunately he hasn't really been lighting it up in the AHL either.
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Post by Polarice on Mar 7, 2024 12:43:20 GMT -5
"Perrault is a pure sniper with one of the best shots in this draft class. It's accurate, hard, and he can score from anywhere. His ability to catch and shoot pucks in stride when the passes aren't in the wheelhouse is a transferable skill that will serve him well. -EliteProspects 2020 NHL Draft Guide"
I guess he's Yanic Perreault's kid.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 7, 2024 12:55:34 GMT -5
Hopefully Marty can work some magic
Looks like he's had injury problems...
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 7, 2024 13:12:26 GMT -5
If Perreault can improve his skating, there is likely still some higher upside there. Calling Adam Nicholas and team. Unfortunately, Houle never really took to Myšak for some reason. Oh well, hope he enjoys his new opportunity as he is a nice kid who works hard.
AHL deal, but it also adds a bit more of a “local” flavour due to his dad.
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Post by Andrew on Mar 7, 2024 13:32:32 GMT -5
Can you get the other Perreault too please Kent?
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Post by Cranky on Mar 7, 2024 13:54:16 GMT -5
We made a trade for a guy who was going nowhere fast for another guy who is going nowhere fastier...
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Post by drkcloud on Mar 7, 2024 14:15:52 GMT -5
Maddening that they never seemed to put him in a position to succeed. 4th line, little minutes, try to be a scorer.
Oh well
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Post by seventeen on Mar 7, 2024 14:16:01 GMT -5
Can you get the other Perreault too please Kent? That was my first thought on seeing the headline, but I rightly suspected we had a better chance of getting Gilbert Perreault than Gabe Perreault. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 7, 2024 14:21:34 GMT -5
Maddening that they never seemed to put him in a position to succeed. 4th line, little minutes, try to be a scorer. Oh well The other matter is that Owen Beck is coming, we're likely to pick a (cough) Celebrini, Lindstrom or Catton this year, and Rohrer, Ericksson, Davidson even, and Kapanen are as much a possibility for the 4c centre spot as Mysak. If Nicolas and crew can unlock something in Perreault, is he even a centre? |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 7, 2024 15:02:55 GMT -5
Maddening that they never seemed to put him in a position to succeed. 4th line, little minutes, try to be a scorer. Oh well The other matter is that Owen Beck is coming, we're likely to pick a (cough) Celebrini, Lindstrom or Catton this year, and Rohrer, Ericksson, Davidson even, and Kapanen are as much a possibility for the 4c centre spot as Mysak. If Nicolas and crew can unlock something in Perreault, is he even a centre? Winger. Yeah, Myšák was getting squeezed out by better centres in the pipeline. |
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Post by folatre on Mar 7, 2024 15:47:36 GMT -5
Both guys look like long shots to carve out an NHL career. I would have probably just kept Mysak, since he is a center. Admittedly, though, I have not watched many of Mysak's games and none of Perreault's, so maybe the Habs' pro scouts have some decent intel.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 7, 2024 17:07:09 GMT -5
The other matter is that Owen Beck is coming, we're likely to pick a (cough) Celebrini, Lindstrom or Catton this year, and Rohrer, Ericksson, Davidson even, and Kapanen are as much a possibility for the 4c centre spot as Mysak. If Nicolas and crew can unlock something in Perreault, is he even a centre? Winger. Yeah, Myšák was getting squeezed out by better centres in the pipeline. Used car dealer traded a Yugo for a Gremlin. Not too worried. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 7, 2024 18:37:48 GMT -5
Winger. Yeah, Myšák was getting squeezed out by better centres in the pipeline. Used car dealer traded a Yugo for a Gremlin. Not too worried. A gremlin is waaaay better than a Yugo |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 7, 2024 20:34:19 GMT -5
Used car dealer traded a Yugo for a Gremlin. Not too worried. A gremlin is waaaay better than a Yugo Agree but neither will get you to the cup or even 4th line. |
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Post by drkcloud on Mar 7, 2024 21:23:33 GMT -5
The other matter is that Owen Beck is coming, we're likely to pick a (cough) Celebrini, Lindstrom or Catton this year, and Rohrer, Ericksson, Davidson even, and Kapanen are as much a possibility for the 4c centre spot as Mysak. If Nicolas and crew can unlock something in Perreault, is he even a centre? Winger. Yeah, Myšák was getting squeezed out by better centres in the pipeline. So another 2nd round bust. Seems it happens every year. I think we have better results rd 5-7 in the last decade. I'm too lazy to look it up though |
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Post by jkr on Mar 7, 2024 22:16:55 GMT -5
A gremlin is waaaay better than a Yugo Agree but neither will get you to the cup or even 4th line. Neither will even get you around the block.😀 |
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 8, 2024 10:15:02 GMT -5
Agree but neither will get you to the cup or even 4th line. Neither will even get you around the block.😀 Well, in this case both have low mileage so never know how many kms in the NHL they will have. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 8, 2024 10:35:14 GMT -5
Neither will even get you around the block.😀 Well, in this case both have low mileage so never know how many kms in the NHL they will have. LOL. I was actually talking about the cars. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 8, 2024 10:42:32 GMT -5
Winger. Yeah, Myšák was getting squeezed out by better centres in the pipeline. So another 2nd round bust. Seems it happens every year. I think we have better results rd 5-7 in the last decade. I'm too lazy to look it up though It would depend on what you call "results". But under my definition, we have way better results in rounds one and round two over the past decade than what we've had in rounds 5-7. The only notable players in rounds 5-7 that we've drafted over the past decade are Cayden Primeau, Jake Evans, and Joshua Roy. I'd then argue the only impact player of that group would be Joshua Roy, but the sample size on him is very small. ** my definition of impact player is a goal per game pace of 0.3, or points per game pace of 0.7, over 200 games ** ** for defensemen I use 0.4 points per game ** |
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 8, 2024 10:47:36 GMT -5
This is why I prefer that we package picks to move up in the draft. Last year, I personally would of moved up from 5 if there was a way of including 2 and 3rd rounder's for the player I wanted. I would do the same this year too.
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Post by drkcloud on Mar 8, 2024 13:13:25 GMT -5
So another 2nd round bust. Seems it happens every year. I think we have better results rd 5-7 in the last decade. I'm too lazy to look it up though It would depend on what you call "results". But under my definition, we have way better results in rounds one and round two over the past decade than what we've had in rounds 5-7. The only notable players in rounds 5-7 that we've drafted over the past decade are Cayden Primeau, Jake Evans, and Joshua Roy. I'd then argue the only impact player of that group would be Joshua Roy, but the sample size on him is very small. ** my definition of impact player is a goal per game pace of 0.3, or points per game pace of 0.7, over 200 games ** ** for defensemen I use 0.4 points per game ** Complete list of players drafted by the Habs in the 2nd round since 2013 Jacob de la Rose Zach Fucale Josh Brook Joni Ikonen Jesse Ylonen Alexander Romanov Jacob Olofsson Jayden Struble Luke Tuch Jan Mysak Riley Kidney Oliver Kapanen Owen Beck Lane Hutson A couple stories have yet to be written in Beck and Hutson, but there's more than a few whiffs in that group and only a very few with nhl experience and no one impactful other than Romanov. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 8, 2024 13:22:56 GMT -5
We made a trade for a guy who was going nowhere fast for another guy who is going nowhere fastier... Well said. At least he has a French name. We need more players who have a history of injury to fit in with the team. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 8, 2024 16:29:04 GMT -5
It would depend on what you call "results". But under my definition, we have way better results in rounds one and round two over the past decade than what we've had in rounds 5-7. The only notable players in rounds 5-7 that we've drafted over the past decade are Cayden Primeau, Jake Evans, and Joshua Roy. I'd then argue the only impact player of that group would be Joshua Roy, but the sample size on him is very small. ** my definition of impact player is a goal per game pace of 0.3, or points per game pace of 0.7, over 200 games ** ** for defensemen I use 0.4 points per game ** Complete list of players drafted by the Habs in the 2nd round since 2013 Jacob de la Rose Zach Fucale Josh Brook Joni Ikonen Jesse Ylonen Alexander Romanov Jacob Olofsson Jayden Struble Luke Tuch Jan Mysak Riley Kidney Oliver Kapanen Owen Beck Lane Hutson A couple stories have yet to be written in Beck and Hutson, but there's more than a few whiffs in that group and only a very few with nhl experience and no one impactful other than Romanov. You left off Arturri Lehkonen |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 8, 2024 16:34:46 GMT -5
So another 2nd round bust. Seems it happens every year. I think we have better results rd 5-7 in the last decade. I'm too lazy to look it up though It would depend on what you call "results". But under my definition, we have way better results in rounds one and round two over the past decade than what we've had in rounds 5-7. The only notable players in rounds 5-7 that we've drafted over the past decade are Cayden Primeau, Jake Evans, and Joshua Roy. I'd then argue the only impact player of that group would be Joshua Roy, but the sample size on him is very small. ** my definition of impact player is a goal per game pace of 0.3, or points per game pace of 0.7, over 200 games ** ** for defensemen I use 0.4 points per game ** And I forgot to include RHP and Pezetta in the round 5-7 picks |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 8, 2024 16:56:20 GMT -5
What were the odds of second rounders? 17%?
The big deal is to be half right at picking then be utterly and completely right on development.
2nd rounders usually have a big skill deficiency or NHL charecter issues.
Example is Ylonen. Has the tools but doesn't want to ruin the nail polish.
Or you have any number of prospects who are not elite enough but have the skill level to play for Euro teams.
If they had the talent AND the character they would be 1st rounders. Rarely does a second rounder have elite skills that show up after they get drafted. More often is that they don't work hard enough on their deficiencies.
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Post by drkcloud on Mar 9, 2024 4:15:27 GMT -5
Listening to Grant McCagg on Marinaros podcast. Perreault was listed as a top 20 talent by McCagg in his draft year but apparently he hasn't figured out how hard you have to work at this level to be successful, tries to get by on talent alone.
He referred to him being known for "charactor issues" as to how hard he works, particularly away from the puck.
In his last 12 games in the AHL he has 0 goals and 2 assists and is a minus 9.
Swell... but hey at least he's francophone? Sounds like Droopy Lite to me
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Post by Cranky on Mar 9, 2024 7:28:16 GMT -5
Listening to Grant McCagg on Marinaros podcast. Perreault was listed as a top 20 talent by McCagg in his draft year but apparently he hasn't figured out how hard you have to work at this level to be successful, tries to get by on talent alone. He referred to him being known for "charactor issues" as to how hard he works, particularly away from the puck. In his last 12 games in the AHL he has 0 goals and 2 assists and is a minus 9. Swell... but hey at least he's francophone? Sounds like Droopy Lite to me Another "soft Euro" born in North America...  He hits every branch of a somewhat talented and good enough to be drafted...but far from elite enough to make it on talent alone. I'm not sure why they thought a 21 year old that is occupying bust territory is even worth trading for unless they know that Mysak is Euro bound and gone forever. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 9, 2024 9:47:00 GMT -5
Listening to Grant McCagg on Marinaros podcast. Perreault was listed as a top 20 talent by McCagg in his draft year but apparently he hasn't figured out how hard you have to work at this level to be successful, tries to get by on talent alone. He referred to him being known for "charactor issues" as to how hard he works, particularly away from the puck. In his last 12 games in the AHL he has 0 goals and 2 assists and is a minus 9. Swell... but hey at least he's francophone? Sounds like Droopy Lite to me Another "soft Euro" born in North America... He hits every branch of a somewhat talented and good enough to be drafted...but far from elite enough to make it on talent alone. I'm not sure why they thought a 21 year old that is occupying bust territory is even worth trading for unless they know that Mysak is Euro bound and gone forever. If utilized correctly I think Mysak will stay in North America, if he stayed with laval and was being kept on the 4th line by Houle then I could see him leaving... houle reminds me of MTHead... if he u do something he doesn’t like, you're done... |
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 9, 2024 12:23:12 GMT -5
Listening to Grant McCagg on Marinaros podcast. Perreault was listed as a top 20 talent by McCagg in his draft year but apparently he hasn't figured out how hard you have to work at this level to be successful, tries to get by on talent alone. He referred to him being known for "charactor issues" as to how hard he works, particularly away from the puck. In his last 12 games in the AHL he has 0 goals and 2 assists and is a minus 9. Swell... but hey at least he's francophone? Sounds like Droopy Lite to me Sounds like we'll need some Marty Magic for this one. Unfortunately, there are some players (Droopy) who even Marty can't motivate. Perhaps due to Perreault's age and eagerness to land the big contract, he may be more open and and motivated than Droopy who was quite content to be the highest paid forward and mail it in game after game, season after season. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 9, 2024 13:06:16 GMT -5
If utilized correctly I think Mysak will stay in North America, if he stayed with laval and was being kept on the 4th line by Houle then I could see him leaving... houle reminds me of MTHead... if he u do something he doesn’t like, you're done... I sold a large air tank that weighed about 1500 pounds and about 9ft tall. This 20+ year old shows up with a cargo van to pick up it up instead of a flatbed truck. OK...now we have a problem...for about 10 seconds. I put a loading strap on a hard point on the tank and picked it up. It's in the air tilted at 45 degrees and by hand gestures i instruct the kid what to do when I bring it to the van door. This kid from India who barely speaks 5 words of English picks up on what I want him to do and executes it flawlessly. When the tank gets close to the door, he grabs the dirty, oily feet, gives it all he got to lift it in the end and i slide it the rest of the way with the fork-lift. We're done in 2 minutes. It was brief but what a pleasure to work with him! Moral of the story...while there are bad coaches out there, don't assume it's their fault when these "mommy-told-me-I'm-a-star" don't want to follow instructions or put in the effort and/or *gulp* the dirty work.. From the several games I saw of Ylonen, he only gives an effort when it came to scoring and the dirty work of retrieving the puck or using his not so small body to check someone off the puck was way too much to ask for. Manicure smashing is a crime. From what I read of Mysak, same thing. Is it really coaching? |
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