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Post by seventeen on Mar 14, 2024 20:16:37 GMT -5
Yeah. That’s the underlying problem, so no matter how good he is in other areas, that part drags him down. The key is timing. He has to go, but when? |
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Post by jkr on Mar 14, 2024 20:16:56 GMT -5
why 4 minutes? I didnt see any blood.
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Post by jkr on Mar 14, 2024 20:22:38 GMT -5
I don't like piling on but Matheson had the puck behind the net & somehow botched the clear which led to that long period of Boston pressure. All he had to do was ice the puck.  |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 14, 2024 20:23:37 GMT -5
Anderson + Matheson = Dumber and Dumber
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Post by jkr on Mar 14, 2024 20:28:47 GMT -5
Great on the PK again tonight but that PP - ugh!
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Post by jkr on Mar 14, 2024 20:30:30 GMT -5
Bruins with 15 loser points. most in the league.
Matheson caught behind the Bruins net leaving Suzuki to defend as Caufield rushes back.
DeBrusk dekes for the winner.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 14, 2024 20:31:14 GMT -5
F'n Matheson... bench his ass for that selfish play
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 14, 2024 20:31:30 GMT -5
He's a moron...
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 14, 2024 20:31:52 GMT -5
Trade his ass sick of his stupidity
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 14, 2024 20:34:49 GMT -5
Petry was never that dumb
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Post by jkr on Mar 14, 2024 20:38:32 GMT -5
For this stage of the rebuild I can live with his mistakes but any team serious about winning won't put up with it. It's the same errors all the time.
As for the game - well the PK was very good again but they only had 19 shots and Ullmark was not under pressure. Disappointing offensive performance.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 14, 2024 20:44:53 GMT -5
Sens win on a Giroux slapshot in OT
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Post by jkr on Mar 14, 2024 20:47:31 GMT -5
Sens win on a Giroux slapshot in OT Just saw that. What was he - 15 feet away? At least the goalie was in the net this time. Must be an Ottawa thing. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 14, 2024 20:51:29 GMT -5
Sens win on a Giroux slapshot in OT Just saw that. What was he - 15 feet away? At least the goalie was in the net this time. Must be an Ottawa thing. I'm surprised someone didn't jump him |
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Post by PTH on Mar 15, 2024 0:08:35 GMT -5
Be nice guys, there's a strong likelihood Montgomery is going to be our next, or 2nd next, coach... Heck, I'd bet money that he or Tourigny will be Habs coach in 5 years.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 15, 2024 8:02:21 GMT -5
Be nice guys, there's a strong likelihood Montgomery is going to be our next, or 2nd next, coach... Heck, I'd bet money that he or Tourigny will be Habs coach in 5 years. Montgomery is a Montreal guy... Where are all of the posters flipping out over what Matheson did in OT... I thought HabsRus would be on fire... |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 15, 2024 8:32:14 GMT -5
I may be wrong on this, but it feels like this was the third time this year that the Habs lost in OT where Matheson tried to win the game by himself. I said it at the start of the year, no matter how many points he gets, or what he does on the power play, it doesn’t compensate for how selfish he is with the puck
I’ve back off on wanting him traded, but someone needs to sit him down and show him the video evidence of the 3-4 selfish plays he makes every game. Most don’t end up really costing the team, but a lot do. Way more than what you’d expect from a veteran
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 15, 2024 8:54:38 GMT -5
Where are all of the posters flipping out over what Matheson did in OT... I thought HabsRus would be on fire... 2 reasons, IMO. 1. We're not in a playoff race. 2. MSL doesnt have an MT-temperament--i.e. vindictive; looking for scapegoats. We got off to a great start in 2015-16, but Price was done on Nov. 25 with our record at an impressive 17-4-2. We had a disastrous Christmas road trip and never really recovered--ending the season at .500. On Feb. 16, with our record hovering around .500, Subban lost an edge late in the 3rd--deep in Avs' territory. Pacioretty gave up on his backcheck, who ended up passing to Iginla for the eventual winner. Therrien and the press put all the blame on PK...continuing to set the table for what everybody knew was coming. His NTC was to kick in at the end of that season and the brass wanted him gone. Make him the scapegoat for a Priceless season. Matheson doesn't play in that atmosphere. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 15, 2024 9:13:32 GMT -5
Where are all of the posters flipping out over what Matheson did in OT... I thought HabsRus would be on fire... 2 reasons, IMO. 1. We're not in a playoff race. 2. MSL doesnt have an MT-temperament--i.e. vindictive; looking for scapegoats. We got off to a great start in 2015-16, but Price was done on Nov. 25 with our record at an impressive 17-4-2. We had a disastrous Christmas road trip and never really recovered--ending the season at .500. On Feb. 16, with our record hovering around .500, Subban lost an edge late in the 3rd--deep in Avs' territory. Pacioretty gave up on his backcheck, who ended up passing to Iginla for the eventual winner. Therrien and the press put all the blame on PK...continuing to set the table for what everybody knew was coming. His NTC was to kick in at the end of that season and the brass wanted him gone. Make him the scapegoat for a Priceless season. Matheson doesn't play in that atmosphere. ok I get that, but that was such a stupid move, now I did not want the extra point, but a message needs to be sent that making a mistake is one thing, but being singularly focused on being a hero instead of team focused is an issue and will not be tolerated... we don't need a team of S'more fours like the Loafs have... If in private MSL gave him a talking to then fine... |
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 15, 2024 9:58:37 GMT -5
I'm not going to excuse Maths as i've been a long time Math-hater. because of his low hockey IQ. His decisions throughout the 3rd and then in OT are worthy of a benching. BUT Cole should not escape criticism. He had no business going into Math's scrum in OT. It was a dumb and risky move and ultimately was the decision that cost us the goal. Cole was also the one that gave up the breakaway to Pasta which could have sealed the game if Pasta had not missed the open net he gave himself. So it's nice to talk about what a great rounded player Cole is becoming, I think there needs to be much more rounding - a and a goal would be nice.
Ther big difference is I have no doubt Cole will learn. Math is not capable of grasping his dumbness.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 15, 2024 10:09:48 GMT -5
I'm not going to excuse Maths as i've been a long time Math-hater. because of his low hockey IQ. His decisions throughout the 3rd and then in OT are worthy of a benching. BUT Cole should not escape criticism. He had no business going into Math's scrum in OT. It was a dumb and risky move and ultimately was the decision that cost us the goal. Cole was also the one that gave up the breakaway to Pasta which could have sealed the game if Pasta had not missed the open net he gave himself. So it's nice to talk about what a great rounded player Cole is becoming, I think there needs to be much more rounding - a and a goal would be nice. Ther big difference is I have no doubt Cole will learn. Math is not capable of grasping his dumbness. You are right, Cole needs a talking to... Maths needs a benching... |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 15, 2024 13:46:39 GMT -5
I'm not going to excuse Maths as i've been a long time Math-hater. because of his low hockey IQ. His decisions throughout the 3rd and then in OT are worthy of a benching. BUT Cole should not escape criticism. He had no business going into Math's scrum in OT. It was a dumb and risky move and ultimately was the decision that cost us the goal. Cole was also the one that gave up the breakaway to Pasta which could have sealed the game if Pasta had not missed the open net he gave himself. So it's nice to talk about what a great rounded player Cole is becoming, I think there needs to be much more rounding - a and a goal would be nice. Ther big difference is I have no doubt Cole will learn. Math is not capable of grasping his dumbness. I wondered if Caufield was hoping Matheson would manage to pass the puck back toward the net and headed that way. It wasn’t a good decision because it was a tough pass with a Bruin plastered all over Matheson . Slaf might have made that pass, but not Matheson. Matheson should have turned back in the right corner. He had no support and was heading for a dry gulch with 3 bears waiting. Dumb, but we know that. |
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Post by folatre on Mar 15, 2024 16:10:11 GMT -5
Matheson has always been an elite skater and a guy who can drive play offensively. However, it is probably not a coincidence that none of his previous NHL coaches (Boughner, Quenneville, Sullivan) were willing to unshackle him and let him be a 'rover'/d-man. Of course, the reason is that most coaches simply cannot live with the poor decision-making that manifests itself. Matheson is fortunate that, not only he got to come home, but he also found a coach who is willing to let him push the envelope and take a lot of poorly calculated risks.
Matheson is a high end offensive d-man. For me there is no disputing this. But he is not an elite offensive d-man like Makar, Quinn Hughes, or Karlsson, so I believe most NHL coaches would not give Matheson a similar level of freedom to wheel and deal.
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Post by PTH on Mar 15, 2024 17:22:10 GMT -5
Matheson has always been an elite skater and a guy who can drive play offensively. However, it is probably not a coincidence that none of his previous NHL coaches (Boughner, Quenneville, Sullivan) were willing to unshackle him and let him be a 'rover'/d-man. Of course, the reason is that most coaches simply cannot live with the poor decision-making that manifests itself. Matheson is fortunate that, not only he got to come home, but he also found a coach who is willing to let him push the envelope and take a lot of poorly calculated risks. Matheson is a high end offensive d-man. For me there is no disputing this. But he is not an elite offensive d-man like Makar, Quinn Hughes, or Karlsson, so I believe most NHL coaches would not give Matheson a similar level of freedom to wheel and deal. The way I see it, Matheson is a perfect #1 defenseman on a bad team, a bit like Max Domi can be a #1C on a bad team. In both cases, they create offense and it helps keep the team competitive during a rebuild, to avoid losing 3-0 every night... however, these guys cost a lot of lost points in other ways, and overall you can't build a winner out of key players who just make too many mistakes when playing a lot of minutes. And we saw how Domi wasn't a great fit when given fewer responsabilities... and I suspect Matheson wouldn't be a second or 3d pairing D. He needs the offensive situations and PP time to be worth keeping around. We can only hope a combo of Mailloux, Hutson and Reinbacher add enough puck movement to the D to make him expendable while we can still get something of interest for him. |
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Post by folatre on Mar 15, 2024 19:35:12 GMT -5
For sure, good points, PTH. I do not think there is any hurry to part ways with Matheson. Montreal is rebuilding. He eats huge minutes. He puts up a lot of points.
Some kids are just not going to work out. That is the reality of development and the difficulties of plying one's craft in the hardest league in the world. So I think management is just going to see where things stand in July 2025 or February 2026 with respect to Matheson's medium term future with the club.
In the same way, it turns out that for various reasons, this deadline was judged not to be the ideal time to trade Savard. Though obviously, unless some unexpected moves are made in the summer (trading Reinbacher or Mailloux), then the plan would seemingly be to move the veteran at the deadline in 2025.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 15, 2024 20:54:16 GMT -5
Move Savard in 2025 and matheson in 2026 for good returns will help keep the cupboard stocked for a bit
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Post by seventeen on Mar 16, 2024 12:34:19 GMT -5
Move Savard in 2025 and matheson in 2026 for good returns will help keep the cupboard stocked for a bit It's a balancing act, though. You don't want to move those guys a year too late, so the trick is trading them when they still look like they can contribute, to you and to the other team, but soon enough that they lose that value shortly after. Obviously, this is not news to any of us, but like so many things in life, there's the decision and then there's the execution of that decision. Hughes and Gorton have managed this reasonably well, with Monahan, Toffoli and Petry. Lehkonen was more of a gamble because he was younger, but not quite young enough to remain part of the core. Maybe. It looked like it at the time, but may prove to be the wrong decision. That uncertainty was due to execution. Barron looked like the right fit at the time because of age, position, etc.. It isn't working out so far, but that will happen too. HuGo aren't infallible, but they've done pretty well so far. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 16, 2024 12:39:53 GMT -5
Move Savard in 2025 and matheson in 2026 for good returns will help keep the cupboard stocked for a bit It's a balancing act, though. You don't want to move those guys a year too late, so the trick is trading them when they still look like they can contribute, to you and to the other team, but soon enough that they lose that value shortly after. Obviously, this is not news to any of us, but like so many things in life, there's the decision and then there's the execution of that decision. Hughes and Gorton have managed this reasonably well, with Monahan, Toffoli and Petry. Lehkonen was more of a gamble because he was younger, but not quite young enough to remain part of the core. Maybe. It looked like it at the time, but may prove to be the wrong decision. That uncertainty was due to execution. Barron looked like the right fit at the time because of age, position, etc.. It isn't working out so far, but that will happen too. HuGo aren't infallible, but they've done pretty well so far. They could move Savard at the draft with some picks to move up, almost all teams are looking for right D that can be leaders... you don't think teams around us would want that... Hawks, ducks, yotes, sens... Next year is a make or break for Barron, Harris and kovacevic so they need icetime to show what they can do. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 16, 2024 13:06:51 GMT -5
I agree with McLaren. His 2002 hit on Zednik was clean--a visibly clean, unobstructed example of a textbook clothesline. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 16, 2024 15:10:35 GMT -5
I'm with you (and Red Fisher), Dis. Chara was still peeved over the supposed 'push' and deliberately rode Patches into the stanchion. Absolutely no doubt in my mind.
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