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Post by jkr on Jul 1, 2024 12:30:37 GMT -5
Debrusk gets 7 years - 38 million. I guess I can see the $ amount but the term is too much.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2024 12:30:57 GMT -5
Yay. That's what the fireworks were for yesterday. Bergevin - the gift that keeps on giving. He chose Karl Alzner over Andrei Markov. That puts him really high up on the list of Greatest A$$holes of all Time. What a miserable human being. |
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Post by jkr on Jul 1, 2024 12:33:48 GMT -5
He actually has zero NHL playoff history, not a single game. Yes. I looked up the wrong guy who played a few playoff games. I only discovered this about Skinner recently. Going back to his junior days in Kitchener I think he has only experienced one season of playoffs. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2024 12:35:25 GMT -5
Well the Leafs only signed those guys because, as usual, they caved on term. 6 years for Tanev? Really? How many shots will he be blocking at 40 years old? The Habs are really not in a position to sign big names & I wasn't expecting it. Maybe some smaller signings to fill holes. After all it's only 1pm. Give it some time. Almost anyone they sign will either hurt the Cap (which they can't afford, looking ahead 3 years) or will block a kid who we need to have ice time. Patrick Kane was an understandable target (excepting his values) because it would be 2 years max. I think Hughes is putting all his energy into a trade for McGroarty. The fit is just too good - age, size, skill. The other team in on him was reported to be Minnesota. With Judd Brackett there, the talent assessment is really high so it confirms that McGroarty is a guy you really want on your team. Go get him, Kent! |
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Post by jkr on Jul 1, 2024 12:37:39 GMT -5
Yay. That's what the fireworks were for yesterday. Bergevin - the gift that keeps on giving. He chose Karl Alzner over Andrei Markov. That puts him really high up on the list of Greatest A$$holes of all Time. What a miserable human being. Agreed! A lifetime Hab who was only 10 games away from 1000, Markov deserved better. Bergevin was trying to look like a tough manager but succeeded only in looking like a clueless dolt. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2024 12:38:39 GMT -5
Yes. I looked up the wrong guy who played a few playoff games. I only discovered this about Skinner recently. Going back to his junior days in Kitchener I think he has only experienced one season of playoffs. No doubt there's some coincidence involved and bad luck, but there's also a LOT of looking in the mirror aspects to being on teams that never make the playoffs. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2024 12:40:32 GMT -5
He chose Karl Alzner over Andrei Markov. That puts him really high up on the list of Greatest A$$holes of all Time. What a miserable human being. Agreed! A lifetime Hab who was only 10 games away from 1000, Markov deserved better. He was simply a better player than Alzner, who had fallen into a 6-7-8 role with Washington, even at Markov's age. Bergevin always made things personal and he had to be the guy to win, even if it hurt the team. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2024 12:49:43 GMT -5
Debrusk gets 7 years - 38 million. I guess I can see the $ amount but the term is too much. Canucks were in heavy on Guentzel and I was telling a good buddy of mine who is a Canucklehead, that if that didn't work out, they should go after Debrusk. Younger, and not a bad scorer in his own right. He was a guy on the Bruins who always impressed me, even if he deserved hate for wearing that sweater. There was respect there also. It looks like they gave more term to get the $$ down. He'll be 28 in October, so 34 in his final year. Not great but not the worst either. Really good skater so he may have a better chance of holding up. Rutherford and Allvin certainly aren't quiet on moving players. Good decision on their part regarding Zadorov. He brought some good physicality and decent play for the team, but you can't pay a #5 defenseman $5MM a year. He's as imposing as Arber, but doesn't have near the scoring touch. Boston was fooled by his playoff heroics this year and they've also tried really hard to get tougher. But they're still a Purgatory team. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 1, 2024 12:58:18 GMT -5
One may or may not love the Habs roster, but it bears keeping in mind that Hughes has a full roster signed for 2024-25. This was never destined to be a summer of roster turnover.
Saros may be wondering if he has a future in Nashville given Askarov's presence and the way Trotz just invested over $20 million in annual cap space in three UFAs today.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 1, 2024 13:04:40 GMT -5
Bruins picked up Zadorov. Not a great player but we will hate him by the end of the season. He knows how to be a d!ck, and one thing the Bruins do is bring out the jerk in a player.  |
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Post by jkr on Jul 1, 2024 13:07:57 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Jul 1, 2024 13:15:22 GMT -5
Oh sure...hide out in another thread while i wondered were everyone went.
Monahan signed his retirement contract.
Guenzel and Reinhart are reasonable signing in a day of cray-cray.
Edmy went to join BargaiBin. LA has a deadly virus in their front office...and they don't know it.
Oh well...none of it is my money andbit ain't hurting the habs soooo...
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Post by drkcloud on Jul 1, 2024 13:18:34 GMT -5
If we don't get some scoring help in the short term, we'll be looking at another top 10 pick. Even Perron could have helped us on the deal he signed with Ottawa
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Post by Cranky on Jul 1, 2024 13:49:55 GMT -5
If we don't get some scoring help in the short term, we'll be looking at another top 10 pick. Even Perron could have helped us on the deal he signed with Ottawa I agree but who? Monahan wss my pick but not at thst term and money. Our best hope is that Dach is back and our 30/30 guy that keeps us just under the playoffs. Guentzel/Reinhart along with Dach made us a playoff team. Oh well... |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 1, 2024 14:36:19 GMT -5
ABB was linked to the Habs many times in the past, mainly by certain corners of the media. He now “comes home”. He is definitely a true tweener in that he tears it up at the AHL level but struggles to find offense in the NHL. We have seen this movie before with many other players. I like this move as it likely bolsters Laval and gives a great call up option. A swap of players as Tampa signed Ylönen to a one year two-way deal today too. Good luck Jesse, hope you find consistency somewhere.
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Post by jkr on Jul 1, 2024 14:46:01 GMT -5
If we don't get some scoring help in the short term, we'll be looking at another top 10 pick. Even Perron could have helped us on the deal he signed with Ottawa I agree but who? Monahan wss my pick but not at thst term and money. Our best hope is that Dach is back and our 30/30 guy that keeps us just under the playoffs. Guentzel/Reinhart along with Dach made us a playoff team. Oh well... Both guys are Cup winners pushing 30 who got 8 million plus. Why would they come to a non playoff team? I dont want the team to commit big $$ to a player until that guy can make a real difference, not just get them near a playoff spot. |
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Post by Cranky on Jul 1, 2024 15:21:11 GMT -5
I agree but who? Monahan wss my pick but not at thst term and money. Our best hope is that Dach is back and our 30/30 guy that keeps us just under the playoffs. Guentzel/Reinhart along with Dach made us a playoff team. Oh well... Both guys are Cup winners pushing 30 who got 8 million plus. Why would they come to a non playoff team? I dont want the team to commit big $$ to a player until that guy can make a real difference, not just get them near a playoff spot. Not near, but in the playoffs with either of those two AND Dach. We need a real second line to take the almost exclusive pressure our first line is getting. That will break open all those games we lost by one or two goals. Right now, until we get that real second line, were bottom 10. A year from now, Demigod, Dach and a Guentzel/Reinhart is now two top NHL caliner and feared lines. Oh well... |
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Post by Douper on Jul 1, 2024 16:59:50 GMT -5
I think we are better off trying to trade for Laine or Necas than sign anyone. Really there's not much left.
Let our kids play and Dach....STAY HEALTHY
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Post by drkcloud on Jul 1, 2024 17:05:56 GMT -5
The problem with just letting the kids play and not icing a competitive team is that our young guys risk the idea that losing is ok
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 1, 2024 17:37:23 GMT -5
The problem with just letting the kids play and not icing a competitive team is that our young guys risk the idea that losing is ok I think with Marty at the helm, the risk is low. I think brining in some help is fine but the term cannot be long 2 to 3 years max. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 1, 2024 18:09:53 GMT -5
I think we are better off trying to trade for Laine or Necas than sign anyone. Really there's not much left. Let our kids play and Dach....STAY HEALTHY I like Laine and would be a perfect fit of 2 years and in theory cost less to acquire. Necas would want more money and cost more in assets. The bar is set with Suzuki at the top and the rest has to fall in under that. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 1, 2024 18:26:36 GMT -5
Carolina got worse today. Their ask for Necas, therefore, will not be returning to the orbit of reality any time soon.
Laine should be cheap in terms of the acquisition cost, but he guy just does not seem able to get the laser focus on hockey that NHLers need to be good at their jobs.
I would have taken Mantha on the one-year deal that Calgary gave him. But Hughes really seems committed to not putting any additional vets in front of kids.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2024 18:52:03 GMT -5
It sure feels like the deck chairs being shuffled on the Titanic. Team A picked up W and X but lost Y and Z. Example, Bruins....bring in Lindholm and Zadorov. Woohoo. But Debrusk and Matt Grzelcyk signed elsewhere. They got older and locked in to some long term stuff for older players who really aren't difference makers.
Carolina definitely got worse. Skjei is gone, Pesce is gone and they signed Sean Walker. They have Morrow and Nikishin, if they show they can play in the NHL, but that's a lot of talent to lose, on top of Guentzel and Terevainen. It's noticeable how many players leave Carolina because the wallet doesn't come out of the office safe. Dundon's philosophy is getting tested. It's fine if you have great scouting and have kids to replace those guys, but that's not happening.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 1, 2024 20:08:20 GMT -5
In the Hughes press conference he talks about states with no tax and players get taxed when they play in other states, Cali and new york are high state tax... I.e. Stamkos will get taxed when he plays in states that have state tax, the only thing the won't get taxed is if you are in a no state tax state is the signing bonus and home games. The players still pay state taxes, just not as much.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 1, 2024 21:44:16 GMT -5
It sure feels like the deck chairs being shuffled on the Titanic. Team A picked up W and X but lost Y and Z. Example, Bruins....bring in Lindholm and Zadorov. Woohoo. But Debrusk and Matt Grzelcyk signed elsewhere. They got older and locked in to some long term stuff for older players who really aren't difference makers. Carolina definitely got worse. Skjei is gone, Pesce is gone and they signed Sean Walker. They have Morrow and Nikishin, if they show they can play in the NHL, but that's a lot of talent to lose, on top of Guentzel and Terevainen. It's noticeable how many players leave Carolina because the wallet doesn't come out of the office safe. Dundon's philosophy is getting tested. It's fine if you have great scouting and have kids to replace those guys, but that's not happening. I know you have been predicting the big FLO collapse (I agree by the way), but are they done if the double Bs stay alive? |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2024 23:40:11 GMT -5
It sure feels like the deck chairs being shuffled on the Titanic. Team A picked up W and X but lost Y and Z. Example, Bruins....bring in Lindholm and Zadorov. Woohoo. But Debrusk and Matt Grzelcyk signed elsewhere. They got older and locked in to some long term stuff for older players who really aren't difference makers. Carolina definitely got worse. Skjei is gone, Pesce is gone and they signed Sean Walker. They have Morrow and Nikishin, if they show they can play in the NHL, but that's a lot of talent to lose, on top of Guentzel and Terevainen. It's noticeable how many players leave Carolina because the wallet doesn't come out of the office safe. Dundon's philosophy is getting tested. It's fine if you have great scouting and have kids to replace those guys, but that's not happening. I know you have been predicting the big FLO collapse (I agree by the way), but are they done if the double Bs stay alive? I'm counting on a) one of Barkov or Bobs getting injured b) Bobrovsky having a bad year. He's an inconsistent character, even in the playoffs. S Montour's gone, Reinhart will absolutely not score on 24% of his shots again, and they've added a number of minimum salary guys for the bottom 6. You get what you pay for most of the time in life, so I'm expecting them to play like they're paid. Maurice is not Zeus. And there's that inevitable Stanley Cup hangover. I'd love for them to get off to a bad start and then have things snowball. I'd love to have another top 5 pick that isn't directly ours. The other very slight possibility is for Calgary to get the #1 pick and then we receive the Flames' unprotected 2026 pick. (Smack) |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 2, 2024 5:18:16 GMT -5
I never get too excited for July 1 or trade deadline days.
The only constant in hockey is MTL will do nothing on both those days
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Post by Polarice on Jul 2, 2024 5:25:44 GMT -5
This is not the year to sign free big money free agents....we are not ready yet. Depending how we do this year will determine what we do at the trade deadline and July 1st. If they show progress in their development, the Habs management will take the next step, especially with Demidov coming in next year.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 2, 2024 8:14:05 GMT -5
This is not the year to sign free big money free agents....we are not ready yet. Depending how we do this year will determine what we do at the trade deadline and July 1st. If they show progress in their development, the Habs management will take the next step, especially with Demidov coming in next year. That’s a red herring excuse. Even when the time was right *cough*2013*cough* we do nothing People may be right that this year is not the right time, but for MTL they use that excuse every year Case in point, I could whip up countless examples of people saying “(insert players name here) will get us a good return at the trade deadline”. Or countless rumours from legitimate sources linking MTL to free agents. So Hughes is looking (which means Hughes thinks the time is right), but it never happens. Not under this regime, not under previous regimes. It’s been almost 20 years since MTL has made noise on either of those days. |
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Post by drkcloud on Jul 2, 2024 11:35:39 GMT -5
Yup so turns out we were in on Marchessault and once again finished runner up. Can't even convince a homegrown francophone to sign here. Been happening forever
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