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Post by seventeen on Aug 10, 2024 13:22:42 GMT -5
Guys, I was referring to Konyuskov as a bad skater, not Hutson. Lane has one skating weakness for me, and that is top end speed. No one has better side to side skating than Hutson. His elite skill is in his agility and his changes of pace. He often looks like he's about to stop and the defender matches him, and then Lane changes the pace and he gets a step on the defender.
If Adam Nicolas or someone else can work with Hutson to improve his top end speed, he'll be an elite defender. Not only will he be able to counterattack better, but he'll be better on D as he can get to pucks sooner and avoid more hits. And hopefully, he's still growing. Only his endocrinologist knows for sure (that phrase is for we old geezers who might recall that commercial - Head and Shoulders?)
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 10, 2024 13:26:17 GMT -5
I brought up Lane when I responded to your post about Kony... meaning Kony is a bit like Markov and so is Lane in the smarts department
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Post by Cranky on Aug 10, 2024 13:49:19 GMT -5
Talking about weight and size...
My parents grew up in the great depression and post war famines of Greece. When they came to Canada their mantra was "we may not buy clothes and have nice things but we will NEVER lack food".
When i was 13 in the summer i worked with my father at his factory. I remember till this day him putting a small steak wrapped in foil on the hot casting machine. That was lunch.
My point...no chance in hell that Lane would be under 200 pounds in my household. NONE. ZERO. He would have to staple his mouth to avoid several choices of buckets of sweats, buckets of meats and vegetables, constant demands from my mother to eat.
Her son went north of 200 at 16 and to his amazing luck, his wife is a great cook.
Sorry about that bit of memory lane travel...
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Post by seventeen on Aug 10, 2024 14:30:57 GMT -5
I brought up Lane when I responded to your post about Kony... meaning Kony is a bit like Markov and so is Lane in the smarts department I picked up on that, but there were some points later mentioning Lane's poor skating and I thought maybe my comments might have been misleading so wanted to clarify. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 10, 2024 14:36:39 GMT -5
I brought up Lane when I responded to your post about Kony... meaning Kony is a bit like Markov and so is Lane in the smarts department I picked up on that, but there were some points later mentioning Lane's poor skating and I thought maybe my comments might have been misleading so wanted to clarify. No worries... |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 10, 2024 14:38:06 GMT -5
Talking about weight and size... My parents grew up in the great depression and post war famines of Greece. When they came to Canada their mantra was "we may not buy clothes and have nice things but we will NEVER lack food". When i was 13 in the summer i worked with my father at his factory. I remember till this day him putting a small steak wrapped in foil on the hot casting machine. That was lunch. My point...no chance in hell that Lane would be under 200 pounds in my household. NONE. ZERO. He would have to staple his mouth to avoid several choices of buckets of sweats, buckets of meats and vegetables, constant demands from my mother to eat. Her son went north of 200 at 16 and to his amazing luck, his wife is a great cook. Sorry about that bit of memory lane travel... Same thing in my house growing up, Lane would have thickened up there, it was food central, it's amazing that my mom could feed 4 boys various cousins and friends as a single parent... she was amazing |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 10, 2024 14:41:48 GMT -5
Talking about weight and size... My parents grew up in the great depression and post war famines of Greece. When they came to Canada their mantra was "we may not buy clothes and have nice things but we will NEVER lack food". When i was 13 in the summer i worked with my father at his factory. I remember till this day him putting a small steak wrapped in foil on the hot casting machine. That was lunch. My point...no chance in hell that Lane would be under 200 pounds in my household. NONE. ZERO. He would have to staple his mouth to avoid several choices of buckets of sweats, buckets of meats and vegetables, constant demands from my mother to eat. Her son went north of 200 at 16 and to his amazing luck, his wife is a great cook. Sorry about that bit of memory lane travel... Considering the diverse lives on this board, I think we must have a lot of good stories to relate, and those I've heard, I've thoroughly enjoyed. Greek and Italian moms must have the same genes. A Canadian friend of mine married an Italian girl I know and the first time she took him to her house for dinner, he was asked if he'd like pasta and he said sure, so he had a plateful heaped for him and managed to eat it all, before finding out it was only the first course of many. He loved telling that story and did a better job than I have, with the point being that food is a huge part of the lives of many Mediterranean countries. Especially the lives of poorer people. What this has to do with Hutson's skating, I don't know, but I think the young man will figure it out. We need to find him a nice Greek or Italian girl to date. |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 10, 2024 14:47:29 GMT -5
Lane is not exactly a 240 pound monster so i don't see a huge jump in weight to increase his skating speed and quickness.
I don't remember who it was but the size of his thighs caught my attention. They were a bit disproportionatal to the rest of his body.
Plus from other accounts of players getting faster, it a one-two year journey.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 10, 2024 14:56:24 GMT -5
Poverty, particularly hunger has a way of focusing ones future priorities.
We fatassed second generation never has weeds, yes, lawn weeds as main course. Nor bread with a bit of sugar as desert.
They did.
I never asked them how they grew up because it was so painful for them. Best if those memories were never remembered.
I miss them.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 10, 2024 14:56:53 GMT -5
I don't worry about Lane getting faster, he has the tools and now he'll have the the coaches to help him get there
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Post by seventeen on Aug 10, 2024 20:45:50 GMT -5
Poverty, particularly hunger has a way of focusing ones future priorities. We fatassed second generation never has weeds, yes, lawn weeds as main course. Nor bread with a bit of sugar as desert. They did. I never asked them how they grew up because it was so painful for them. Best if those memories were never remembered. I miss them. I remember Dad driving us 40 miles to a railroad station where there was a huge crop of dandelions, and picking them to take home. I don’t know if it was necessary ( more value than the gas to get there and back?) but it was a family outing and obviously something my parents had done before. After one becomes better off, you don’t sweat paying for stuff, but that need to not waste your money never goes away. No, I’m not going into that walking a mile to school uphill both ways in a blizzard. (That happened when I was employed and was just one way & flat). |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 10, 2024 21:33:20 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Aug 10, 2024 23:27:11 GMT -5
Thicken up you say? Exhibit A I saw that and he just needs to strengthen up top now I haven't seen that picture before. I'm impressed. A serious amount of work has gone into those legs so he must have the speed. It's only weeks now before we get to see him play Neanderthals. |
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Post by IamCanadiens on Aug 11, 2024 10:21:52 GMT -5
That pic of St Louis' thighs is impressive. That said, every muscle in his body was like that. Lane will never be the gorilla that Marty was but the work he has done on his legs is impressive.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 11, 2024 11:38:53 GMT -5
I'm confused. Was that MSL thighs? So Hutson has more work to do?
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Post by seventeen on Aug 11, 2024 13:16:34 GMT -5
Hutson on the left, Marty on the right. Marty couldn't buy off the rack suits.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 11, 2024 14:54:47 GMT -5
For some reason...i always get confused looking at a mans thighs...oyyy...
Those things were worked on a LOT. I don't remember how fast MSL was but i assume he could skate with the best of them.
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Post by folatre on Aug 12, 2024 19:03:57 GMT -5
For sure, man. St. Louis was an absolute burner in his era.
I am not sure if a 5'7" guy in today's NHL would crack the top 5 or 10 fastest players because basically everyone takes working out seriously and hire skating coaches, whereas St. Louis was ahead of his time in terms of being uber committed to lifting, dry land cardio, and obviously a total rink rat. But 28 year old St. Louis in the contemporary NHL would still be wicked fast and elusive.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 12, 2024 21:06:02 GMT -5
For sure, man. St. Louis was an absolute burner in his era. I am not sure if a 5'7" guy in today's NHL would crack the top 5 or 10 fastest players because basically everyone takes working out seriously and hire skating coaches, whereas St. Louis was ahead of his time in terms of being uber committed to lifting, dry land cardio, and obviously a total rink rat. But 28 year old St. Louis in the contemporary NHL would still be wicked fast and elusive. More speed the marrier...but more importantly is to have the quickness and speed so as not to be a pinata. There is no doubt that he will be targeted and worse, Habs now have a lot of uber Neanderthals that can start a nasty game...just because they can. I can see X and Mailman turning Matthews into a pinata and then Reaves taking out on Hutson. Best medicine for that is to have loads of payback....and team wide unhinged. I don't know how old you are but back in the days of our super teams, the lineup was full of players that took care of business. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 12, 2024 23:22:39 GMT -5
The top 6 were Shutt-Lemaire-Lafleur and then Houle/Wilson-Mahovlich-Cournoyer. No fighters among them. The third line, however, was Lambert-Risebrough-Tremblay. Not a wallflower among them. The D had Robinson, Lapointe (who could really throw them), Chartraw and Pierre Bouchard. They had a lot of tough guys so the top 6 were left alone.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 13, 2024 12:29:16 GMT -5
I know I just attended some live U18 hockey on the weekend, but it still a bit surprising to note that preseason hockey is upon us in a number of the biggest European leagues. A number of prospects have started to see some action, but it is still just early preseason stuff. Of note, however, is the fact that young Russian goalie Volokhin is training with Ugra’s VHL team. He tore up the junior MHL last season, so it would be a very good and timely progression if he moved up and saw VHL action this season against men. Hope he sticks with that team.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 13, 2024 14:27:16 GMT -5
Sawyer will play in the NCAA rather than the BCHL this season.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 13, 2024 14:41:20 GMT -5
A pretty interesting article on Konyushkov with quotes from Coach Igor Larionov and Bogdan himself.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 13, 2024 15:21:02 GMT -5
The top 6 were Shutt-Lemaire-Lafleur and then Houle/Wilson-Mahovlich-Cournoyer. No fighters among them. The third line, however, was Lambert-Risebrough-Tremblay. Not a wallflower among them. The D had Robinson, Lapointe (who could really throw them), Chartraw and Pierre Bouchard. They had a lot of tough guys so the top 6 were left alone. Mahovolich would drop them and Lemaire was a stck artist. Most think that Big Bird was our toughest...but Lapointe was our meanest...and could pile points. I'm hoping Mailman moves into that spot. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 13, 2024 16:35:33 GMT -5
The top 6 were Shutt-Lemaire-Lafleur and then Houle/Wilson-Mahovlich-Cournoyer. No fighters among them. The third line, however, was Lambert-Risebrough-Tremblay. Not a wallflower among them. The D had Robinson, Lapointe (who could really throw them), Chartraw and Pierre Bouchard. They had a lot of tough guys so the top 6 were left alone. Mahovolich would drop them and Lemaire was a stck artist. Most think that Big Bird was our toughest...but Lapointe was our meanest...and could pile points. I'm hoping Mailman moves into that spot. Actually I think Mailman, with a bit more weight would be Big Bird and big X will become lapointe.. as mean as they come... can they bring in knuckles as a consultant to teach toughness... I want all our D and our bottom 6 to be like hyenas with a pack mentality... the top 6 need to be tough but not animals... it's not their job |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 13, 2024 16:44:05 GMT -5
Mahovolich would drop them and Lemaire was a stck artist. Most think that Big Bird was our toughest...but Lapointe was our meanest...and could pile points. I'm hoping Mailman moves into that spot. Actually I think Mailman, with a bit more weight would be Big Bird and big X will become lapointe.. as mean as they come... can they bring in knuckles as a consultant to teach toughness... I want all our D and our bottom 6 to be like hyenas with a pack mentality... the top 6 need to be tough but not animals... it's not their job OHH PLEASE STOP...MY LEG IS SHAKING!! You can't make an old man so excited! My dream is that X and Mailman get up to at least second pairing defense. Those two guys have the size and the loose screws to be truly frightening pairing. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 13, 2024 17:05:04 GMT -5
Actually I think Mailman, with a bit more weight would be Big Bird and big X will become lapointe.. as mean as they come... can they bring in knuckles as a consultant to teach toughness... I want all our D and our bottom 6 to be like hyenas with a pack mentality... the top 6 need to be tough but not animals... it's not their job OHH PLEASE STOP...MY LEG IS SHAKING!! You can't make an old man so excited! My dream is that X and Mailman get up to at least second pairing defense. Those two guys have the size and the loose screws to be truly frightening pairing. Lol... seriously though... I am sick of Sens fans saying the Habs are small... I want us to punish other teams... |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 13, 2024 20:45:02 GMT -5
Rohrer’s tip goal in yesterday’s preseason game.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 13, 2024 21:33:45 GMT -5
Another sleeper. A lot of these guys are not going to be top 6 or even make the Habs, but they will be assets that can be turned over to bring in more assets, or combined to bring in a better asset. The scouting has gotten pretty damn good, and has been matched by the development process.
You wonder how many good scouts are never appreciated because their organization has a poor development group (or none at all) and many of their picks fail.
Timmins' group picked Caufield, Struble, RHP, Guhle, Tuch, Farrell, Dobes, Mailloux, Kapanen, Trudeau and Roy. But a lot of the development for these guys was eventually guided (and then directly helped) by Gorton's team. Remember what Ducharme was doing to Caufield before Marty took over? That was Bergevin's guy.
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Post by folatre on Aug 13, 2024 21:43:14 GMT -5
For sure, man. St. Louis was an absolute burner in his era. I am not sure if a 5'7" guy in today's NHL would crack the top 5 or 10 fastest players because basically everyone takes working out seriously and hire skating coaches, whereas St. Louis was ahead of his time in terms of being uber committed to lifting, dry land cardio, and obviously a total rink rat. But 28 year old St. Louis in the contemporary NHL would still be wicked fast and elusive. More speed the marrier...but more importantly is to have the quickness and speed so as not to be a pinata. There is no doubt that he will be targeted and worse, Habs now have a lot of uber Neanderthals that can start a nasty game...just because they can. I can see X and Mailman turning Matthews into a pinata and then Reaves taking out on Hutson. Best medicine for that is to have loads of payback....and team wide unhinged. I don't know how old you are but back in the days of our super teams, the lineup was full of players that took care of business. Cranky, I am hitting the 50 milestone very soon. So basically I missed out on the 1976-1979 dynasty. My Habs fandom and memories start around 1983. And I loved the mix of skill, pace, size, and edginess/nastiness that those editions of the Habs brought to the ice in the mid to late 1980s. For sure, I envision a roster where one small d-man is the maximum number allowable. Up front, maybe two smallish guys who brings high end skill to the table. But, otherwise, emphasize guys who have check the skill, size, skating, and physicality boxes. |
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