LA Kings vs Montreal Thursday Oct 17 @ 7 PM EDT

[Disgruntled70sHab]

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When Marty was hired, it was a surprising move and what was even more surprising was the improvement in many youngsters skill level under Marty's direction. MSL was a fuzzy cheeked baby of a coach, and it was cute while it has lasted. there is no disputing that he connects well with players and sees part of the game some of them miss. What is also obvious is that most coaches learn the basics of systems, implementation, countering, enforcing etc. during a long stretch of development through various leagues. Marty took the Snakes and Ladders squares 28 and 91 ladders to the top line, without going through the learning stages of landing on a snake.

So, one would think that two people as smart as Kent Hughes and Jeff Gorton would realize that there was a hole that should be plugged in Marty's resume...namely hire someone with experience to help out in those weak areas. I suspect they did bring it up and I suspect it generated a lot of pushback, from Marty. Why would you not want help from an experienced guy in an area you know you are lacking in? You either lack confidence in your own ability to succeed and would be replaced by THAT guy, or you think you're smarter than everyone else.

Marty has to sort this out fast. It's not goaltending, so that's one thing. The defensive discipline has to improve and the transition game has to get a lot better. Mybe let's not keep making the other goalie look like the Michelin man.

[Cranky]

I lost faith in Marty in the way he handled/handles the power play and then Mailloux. Which to a large extent are the same.

Why on earth he's not setting up the power play like it's been set up for 100 years by coaches far, FAR smarter then him is beyond me. He's essentially trying to make up a powerplay with 5 Marty clones.

He's blind in his own limitations and his favorites.

He either gets help or gets helped...out the door.

[habsorbed]

So the buzz word being used by players post game is that it was an "immature" effort. Whatever that means. How about "We sucked and likely will continue to suck until we actually care and give a shiiit". Or is this their way of saying "The system is great, the talent is there, we just need to be more mature". I'm feeling so much better now

[Habs_fan_in_LA]

Oct 18, 2024 0:03:04 GMT -5 Cranky said:

I lost faith in Marty in the way he handled/handles the power play and then Mailloux. Which to a large extent are the same.

Why on earth he's not setting up the power play like it's been set up for 100 years by coaches far, FAR smarter then him is beyond me. He's essentially trying to make up a powerplay with 5 Marty clones.

He's blind in his own limitations and his favorites.

He either gets help or gets helped...out the door.

You are what your record says you are. With zero injuries year after year things coulda woulda shoulda been different but after 30 years excuses run out. Some bright spots but overall failure to launch.

[Willie Dog]

Marinaro is blaming this loss on MSL... Time for Marty to admit his limitations... and what the hell is wrong with X... did the coaches tell him to tone it down because the Kings took liberties and there was no response... from anyone. Poor Monty, zero support in front of him...

[folatre]

Immature, eh? I guess that is more sterile explanation than looking in the mirror and concluding hey being the low energy team every time we step on the ice isn't working.

I know the power play is always a lightning rod because we have all been so frustrated by it for so many seasons. However, I do not see the power play as one of the main issues plaguing the Habs this season. The PP is not great (18th in the league), but it has not been terrible. And the penalty kill is shockingly top five in the league.

What is alarming and inexcusable is that Montreal's even strength team defense is abysmal -- last in the league in shots attempts against, shots on goal against, high danger chances against, and expected goals against. That is a product of coaching a 'system' that is not viable at the NHL level and passive players not bringing the energy and determination necessary to even partially cover up the glaring problems with the 'system.'

[Willie Dog]

Oct 18, 2024 16:35:14 GMT -5 folatre said:

Immature, eh? I guess that is more sterile explanation than looking in the mirror and concluding hey being the low energy team every time we step on the ice isn't working.

I know the power play is always a lightning rod because we have all been so frustrated by it for so many seasons. However, I do not see the power play as one of the main issues plaguing the Habs this season. The PP is not great (18th in the league), but it has not been terrible. And the penalty kill is shockingly top five in the league.

What is alarming and inexcusable is that Montreal's even strength team defense is abysmal -- last in the league in shots attempts against, shots on goal against, high danger chances against, and expected goals against. That is a product of coaching a 'system' that is not viable at the NHL level and passive players not bringing the energy and determination necessary to even partially cover up the glaring problems with the 'system.'

Iirc, last year our 5v5 was very good but our PP and K sucked, this year it's the reverse... this is a jekyll Hyde team

[folatre]

I am too lazy to look up the numbers right now, but my recollection is that yes the even strength goal differential was respectable (approximately even) despite the fact that the Habs were bottom five in danger chances against last season. Again, a lot of casual fans looked at Montembeault and Primeau's numbers last season and said okay they were fine, average, whatever, but even digging in a little bit (or just using the eye test) would have told them that actually Montreal's goalies gave up fewer goals than the models predicted.