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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 17, 2024 21:37:52 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 18, 2024 11:01:04 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 18, 2024 14:04:52 GMT -5
We are last in almost every category, I expect another loss
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Post by folatre on Oct 18, 2024 16:18:37 GMT -5
Willie, yeah, it is hard to believe the boys are 32nd in shot attempts against, 32nd in shots on goal against, 32nd in high danger chances against, and 32nd in expected goals against. The fact that the Habs are only 18th in goals against per game speaks to how immense Montembeault has been in net.
The Islanders are going to grind, chip and chase, and clog the neutral zone. I imagine the game will be close for 20-30 minutes, and then probably turnovers and defensive breakdowns will hand Roy's troops the two points.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 18, 2024 18:33:15 GMT -5
Mailloux's been called up but Slaf left practice early with a shoulder issue. Matheson and Guhle have upper body injuries. Instead of regression toward having fewer injuries this year, the hockey gods are screwing us around even more.
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Post by Cranky on Oct 18, 2024 20:02:15 GMT -5
One step forward, one step back. Another step forward...into a pit. Maybe, just maybe the MSL sees where he's heading with the team and sees that he needs to change course and tactics. Maybe he realizes that the parts he's working with have to be organized to be greater then their raw sum. Maybe he realizes that he's the only one that can do that. Maybe we will need extra doses of...  |
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 18, 2024 20:46:25 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 18, 2024 20:57:46 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 1:39:41 GMT -5
On today's Basu and Godin Notebook, a point was made that there may be confusion with the forwards in knowing how to play with Hutson. Basu stated that it's simple enough to say that Hutson is going to attack, but a forward could expect the puck to be moved to him at the blue line for him to carry it in. But Hutson carries it in himself (because he's good at it and he likes to create space for others). Now, one of the forwards has to choose to stay back to cover for him, but that's not in a forward's nature. They want to be in on the forecheck and the attack, not defending. Basu stated that most of the turnovers the Habs have committed have not been in their own zone, but rather in the attacking and neutral zones. If anyone else has notice that, please speak up. I haven't paid enough attention on that point to comment.
Course, that doesn't really explain the fact they haven't been very good at recovering pucks in their zone, thereby spending a lot of time there, and eventually wearing out and letting the oppos have all the space and time they want. Another point made was that Hutson has not been bad defensively. We expect him to be below average because of his size, but that hasn't been the case. The -4 the other night, IMO, was really only -1 because he wasn't at fault on 3 of the goals, but not by they standard measurement of +/-. Another point made was that we have been crying out for someone special, and they think he is that guy. They expect the Hutson - Guhle pair to be really good.
Agree? Disagree?
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 19, 2024 1:48:56 GMT -5
On today's Basu and Godin Notebook, a point was made that there may be confusion with the forwards in knowing how to play with Hutson. Basu stated that it's simple enough to say that Hutson is going to attack, but a forward could expect the puck to be moved to him at the blue line for him to carry it in. But Hutson carries it in himself (because he's good at it and he likes to create space for others). Now, one of the forwards has to choose to stay back to cover for him, but that's not in a forward's nature. They want to be in on the forecheck and the attack, not defending. Basu stated that most of the turnovers the Habs have committed have not been in their own zone, but rather in the attacking and neutral zones. If anyone else has notice that, please speak up. I haven't paid enough attention on that point to comment. Course, that doesn't really explain the fact they haven't been very good at recovering pucks in their zone, thereby spending a lot of time there, and eventually wearing out and letting the oppos have all the space and time they want. Another point made was that Hutson has not been bad defensively. We expect him to be below average because of his size, but that hasn't been the case. The -4 the other night, IMO, was really only -1 because he wasn't at fault on 3 of the goals, but not by they standard measurement of +/-. Another point made was that we have been crying out for someone special, and they think he is that guy. They expect the Hutson - Guhle pair to be really good. Agree? Disagree? Lane is a keeper! If other players can't adapt to his inventive play, then they should move on. Leaving Lane aside, I don't see the Habs doing all that well when Lane is not on the ice. In fact they are down right terrible. I pay attention and love watching Lane. Otherwise, if Suze's line is not out there, then it's pretty boring, if not lamentable stuff with no offensive threats at all. And often Suze's line is pretty ineffective. People should stop blaming or criticizing Lane. He is our future! We should unjoy his progression! I'm loving it! |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 19, 2024 2:33:52 GMT -5
I had watched two of the LA periods and tried to finish the 3rd this morning.
I'm got confused. The Habs players ARE confused. The entire 3rd period was confusing.
They are trying to play man-on-man near the blueline and zone near the redline. I thought that the my wife must of spiked the coffee cake and I was imagining things, so I went back to the beginning of the game. Yup, they are playing two different systems at the same time and probably chewing gum too.
No wonder I see X or Barron chase a guy up high on the wrong side and then play his zone a few seconds later.
So I was wrong. It's not that Marty is not implementing a system, it's a STUPID system. It's constantly devolving and breaking down. Puck battles one second, zone defense the next second....and theyland up stuck in their own zone. Neither controlling the game on the boards nor keeping opposing players from the slot or the net.
That is also why we have that many shots on us.
Marty is not Bowman and as much as I love the players, they aren't high IQ veterans or budding rocket scientist. He's trying to implement two different systems at once and it looks like dis-organized crime on ice.
Now what? Does Hughes take an eraser to Marty's fantasies and read him a mini riot act or does he bring in a veteran coach?
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Post by Cranky on Oct 19, 2024 12:26:00 GMT -5
Keep an eye on what happens when we lose possession in our zone. We go into a zone defence and instead of trying to stop their cycle, we try to keep them on the outside.
THAT is why they hem us in for long periods.
Just watch...
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Post by Andrew on Oct 19, 2024 13:48:52 GMT -5
Basu stated that most of the turnovers the Habs have committed have not been in their own zone, but rather in the attacking and neutral zones. If anyone else has notice that, please speak up. I haven't paid enough attention on that point to comment. Yes, there's truth to that. It has been maddeningly frustrating. They'll run around in their own end for an extended sequence, and then finally get possession and exit the zone. Instead of controlling the puck and generating their offensive zone time they cough it up at the opponent's blue line and it's right back to running around in their own end. That's one big issue - trying to make plays when they aren't there and turning it over. The other big issue for me is compete level, which isn't sufficient. They're coming away with very few loose pucks, always a step behind the opponent, and losing puck battles or being stripped of the puck. They look like the slowest team in the world out there. Marty really needs to tear a strip off of them and wake this team up. |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 14:14:00 GMT -5
Basu stated that most of the turnovers the Habs have committed have not been in their own zone, but rather in the attacking and neutral zones. If anyone else has notice that, please speak up. I haven't paid enough attention on that point to comment. Yes, there's truth to that. It has been maddeningly frustrating. They'll run around in their own end for an extended sequence, and then finally get possession and exit the zone. Instead of controlling the puck and generating their offensive zone time they cough it up at the opponent's blue line and it's right back to running around in their own end. That's one big issue - trying to make plays when they aren't there and turning it over. The other big issue for me is compete level, which isn't sufficient. They're coming away with very few loose pucks, always a step behind the opponent, and losing puck battles or being stripped of the puck. They look like the slowest team in the world out there. Marty really needs to tear a strip off of them and wake this team up. Thanks guys. That helps. Cranky, I've heard on the Notebook that Marty is using a hybrid system, which lines up exactly with what you saw. It's quite possible, then, that players are having to make decisions on the fly as to which system they are now incorporating. It's also not that easy to make that decision quickly, especially if the dividing line for switching systems is our blue line and you're right at our blue line....which system do you use? If everyone chooses the same system, no problem, but if not, the other team gets space and someone ends up looking really dumb. Unfortunately you have to coach to the lowest common denominator and that system may not work with some guys. Also...yes....the compete level has left a lot to be desired. I wonder if Laine's injury has smashed their confidence. It shouldn't, because there's a lot of talent after him, but becoming really excited over the trade and then having that taken away, it's like Charlie Brown, Lucy and the football. You're going to have a let down. This is where leadership has to come to the fore. Mostly through on ice examples and not just cheap talk. |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 19, 2024 14:31:06 GMT -5
They are actually switching inside our zone, past the blueline.
So now the forward has to make a life altering decision to either support his mate or fall back to a zone defense.
And here is a stunning suprise...we get outmanned and lose possession. Then we are playing extended time in our end defending that zone defense.
I've never seen anything like this. It's half MThead off the glass zone defense, it's half man-on-man...and fully bullpucks.
It reminds me of the time i wrote a quality manual to control our reject rate...and got slapped on the head by the CEO. You needed an engineering degree and 150 IQ to follow it. That's the first time i heard KISS...and it didn't involve kinky sex.
Marty needs to KISS his system before he gets the kiss of death.
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Post by habsask on Oct 19, 2024 15:02:06 GMT -5
They are actually switching inside our zone, past the blueline. So now the forward has to make a life altering decision to either suppprt his mate or fall back to a zone defense. And here is a stunning suprise...we get outmanned and lose possession. Then we are playing extended time in our zone defending that xone defense. I've never seen anything like this. It's half MThead off the glass zone defense, it's half man-on-man...and fully bullpucks. It reminds me of the time i wrote a quality manual to control our reject rate...and got slapped on the head by the CEO. You needed an engineerong degree and 150 IQ to follow it. That's the forst time i heard KISS...and it didn't involve kinky sex. Marty needs to KISS his system before he gets the kiss of death. I agree 100% with you HA. You need a system that fits the players you have rather than they fit your system regardless. As for Hutson maybe he needs to figure out how he needs to play with the others as well as they with him. I really think this Lane love is getting a bit ahead of the curve. We're only 5 games into the season for heaven's sake. And let's wait a full season to see how his defensive play pans out - He is a defenseman after all. Sheesh... Only my 2 cents as usual. Cheers |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 18:11:36 GMT -5
Martin St. Louis -“I’m proactive. I’m going to get this fixed”
Uhhhhh. That’s the very definition of reactive. If Marty was proactive this issue (whatever it is) would never have taken place.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 18:13:13 GMT -5
Struble & Maiiloux dressed. X and Barron must be getting ‘therapy’ days.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 18:17:13 GMT -5
Barron is playing. Ah. Guhle’s out. Mea culpa.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 18:18:13 GMT -5
Newhook, my idea, for better ir worse loses the first face-off.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 18:22:26 GMT -5
I recommend glasses for Armia that whenever he’s about to shoot, it distorts his vision so when he shoots right at the goalie, he’s actually picking a corner.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 18:23:58 GMT -5
Sneaky zone exit by Matheson.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 18:24:53 GMT -5
I know I’m not crazy, but I am talking to myself. 😄
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Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 18:30:18 GMT -5
Anderson makes a good defensive play, takes it to the red line, chips it in and Islander come out easily.
Sheesh, I counted 3 times Habs got sticks on Islander passes and each time it landed at an Islander’s feet. C’mon Hockey gods. We have to get a break sometime.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 19, 2024 18:31:16 GMT -5
I know I’m not crazy, but I am talking to myself. 😄 We know, your mother had you tested... lol |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 18:32:29 GMT -5
Heineman. Nice backhand. Dach shoul have done that earlier instead of passing to a covered Hab.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 18:33:57 GMT -5
Yeah. I like to see an angry Slaf.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 18:36:41 GMT -5
I know I’m not crazy, but I am talking to myself. 😄 We know, your mother had you tested... lol I aced the cognitive test… twice! (If you watch Colbert, you’ll get that). |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 18:38:36 GMT -5
Yup. They let everything go until we do something.
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Post by jkr on Oct 19, 2024 18:41:25 GMT -5
If my count is right Duclair, at 29, is now on his 9th team.
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