|
|
Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 20:53:43 GMT -5
Not confident we’ll get the 2 points.
|
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 20:55:17 GMT -5
Just take a shot high guys.
|
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 20:56:14 GMT -5
No one wants to raise the puck. Sheesh.
|
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 20:56:35 GMT -5
The asshole scores if course.
|
|
|
|
Post by CentreHice on Oct 19, 2024 21:00:07 GMT -5
Trying to teach Dach a lesson?
|
|
|
|
Post by CentreHice on Oct 19, 2024 21:01:36 GMT -5
Not much more Primeau can do tonight...
|
|
|
|
Post by CentreHice on Oct 19, 2024 21:02:27 GMT -5
Dach didn't see 9 rounds of a SO.
Explanation?
|
|
|
|
Post by folatre on Oct 19, 2024 21:03:37 GMT -5
Trying to teach Dach a lesson? Hopefully. He has been not only bad, but also lazy and irresponsible. |
|
|
|
Post by drkcloud on Oct 19, 2024 21:03:58 GMT -5
Dach didn't see 9 rounds of a SO. Explanation? He had a terrible game. Lazy play, stupid penalties |
|
|
|
Post by jkr on Oct 19, 2024 21:04:33 GMT -5
Kapanrn and Heineman score with nice shots but most of the Habs try these poor dekes. That last one by Mailloux must have been about 5 feet wide.
|
|
|
|
Post by drkcloud on Oct 19, 2024 21:07:11 GMT -5
I'd like to see a second line of Newhook Heineman and Kapanen. Dach can play RW on the 4th line
|
|
|
|
Post by CentreHice on Oct 19, 2024 21:07:40 GMT -5
Dach didn't see 9 rounds of a SO. Explanation? He had a terrible game. Lazy play, stupid penalties I'm all for teaching lessons...but perhaps the SO isn't the time. |
|
|
|
Post by drkcloud on Oct 19, 2024 21:08:05 GMT -5
Not much more Primeau can do tonight... He stole them the point |
|
|
|
Post by folatre on Oct 19, 2024 21:09:22 GMT -5
Guys who have kind of meh, middle of the road type slickness should never go in slow because all they do is run out of room and realize the goalie isn't buying it and then they just flip the puck to nowhere.
Unless you are super slow icewater in the veins like Oshie or Kuznetsov, the kind of slow stuff just does not work.
|
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 21:21:08 GMT -5
Trying to teach Dach a lesson? Hopefully. He has been not only bad, but also lazy and irresponsible. You guys are awfully hatd on a guy who has barely played in a year. He isn’t going to be normal until March. Remember Caufield? |
|
|
|
Post by folatre on Oct 19, 2024 21:35:12 GMT -5
Caufield wasn't playing bad out of the gate last season. He wasn't scoring goals like we hoped. But coaches, mates, fan saw progress in other facets of his game such as playmaking and defensive awareness.
The issue with Dach, in my opinion, is that he looks overwhelmed. I have said that I believe it takes six months of game action to regain one's confidence after a major surgery. But even if he feels less than 100 percent he needs to adjust how he is operating out there (i.e. make careful passes in the neutral zone and on zone entries and stop cheating, so you can stay on the right side of the puck you do not constantly leave your team shorthanded).
I am by no means giving up on Dach. But St. Louis is supposed to push the right buttons to win games (unless his bosses told him that is secondary so do not sweat it). Xhekaj got benched without doing anything too egregious in any of the first five games. So how does rubber stamping the second line after yet another shambolic performance allow the coach to send the right message?
|
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2024 22:31:42 GMT -5
Good points, folatre. Barron made a lot of poor decisions today. I doubt Marty sends any messages his way. They really wsnt him to look good. Does Hughes know to ignore sunk costs? You’re not getting Lehky back and the second rounder was used to get Hage, a terrific looking move, so cut your losses.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cranky on Oct 20, 2024 0:49:55 GMT -5
I've only watched 10 minutes of the game and went over to the NHL site to see how the game went. Spend half an hour on the simulation and I wish they had the ENTIRE game on it. It can show a million things about player movement like systems (if any), how defensive pair work with each other, forwards coming back and relative effort...on and on. Then there is another chart that shows pairings. Hutson and Mailman were paired and then paired with the first line. WOW. I don't know how well they played yet but was suprised that Marty put our two least experienced together. People forget that Mailman missed 3 seasons of development. Basically we got a 17 year old equivilant defense playing 19 minutes. Check out the shift chart. Here is the link. I'm trying to figure out if I can strip the goal simulation from the site and post it. Information overload.... www.nhl.com/gamecenter/mtl-vs-nyi/2024/10/19/2024020081/summaryNow on to the game... |
|
|
|
Post by Cranky on Oct 20, 2024 1:02:08 GMT -5
Xhekaj got benched without doing anything too egregious in any of the first five games. X has been on the ice for 4 goals against. Hutson for 5 Savard for 7 Matheson for 6 Armia for 7 Dach for 9 Newhook for 8 Suzuki for 7 And X is the problem? Or is he the teachers bad little boy that he can get away punishing? Tell me again about Marty, the "players coach" instilling confidence? |
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Oct 20, 2024 1:25:13 GMT -5
Guys who have kind of meh, middle of the road type slickness should never go in slow because all they do is run out of room and realize the goalie isn't buying it and then they just flip the puck to nowhere. Unless you are super slow icewater in the veins like Oshie or Kuznetsov, the kind of slow stuff just does not work. Patrick kane is a slow type, but his hands are so quick that it doesn't matter. Otherwise, go in fast because it speeds up the goalie and changing direction takes more time. |
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Oct 20, 2024 1:32:02 GMT -5
I've only watched 10 minutes of the game and went over to the NHL site to see how the game went. Spend half an hour on the simulation and I wish they had the ENTIRE game on it. It can show a million things about player movement like systems (if any), how defensive pair work with each other, forwards coming back and relative effort...on and on. Then there is another chart that shows pairings. Hutson and Mailman were paired and then paired with the first line. WOW. I don't know how well they played yet but was suprised that Marty put our two least experienced together. People forget that Mailman missed 3 seasons of development. Basically we got a 17 year old equivilant defense playing 19 minutes. Check out the shift chart. Here is the link. I'm trying to figure out if I can strip the goal simulation from the site and post it. Information overload.... www.nhl.com/gamecenter/mtl-vs-nyi/2024/10/19/2024020081/summaryNow on to the game... the Habs had a 3.5 to 4 minute stretch where they were hemmed in their own zone. Mailloux had the puck with control twice in that sequence and each time sent the puck the wrong way, right to an Islander. A stick got broken too, and rather than rush to the bench to get another, one guy played stickless the entire, endless shift. At one point, Kapanen was the guy who didn't have a stick, and the puck was nearby and he tried to push it out with his hand, didn't get enough on it (too tired or excited) and the beat went on. It's a pet peeve of mine and it has to be team policy to keep playing. It's asinine. Marty should be smarter than that. |
|
|
|
Post by Andrew on Oct 20, 2024 2:10:38 GMT -5
A somewhat better showing than the kings game, so that’s a positive. Lots still to fix though.
Suzuki is either playing through an injury or is still stuck in summer mode. He’s not nearly as strong or confident with the puck as we’re used to seeing. Without him going this team is in trouble.
And Dach is playing not to get hurt. We knew it would take some time to find his game, but he’s a liability out there. Needs to simplify things.
Was glad to see Primeau play a strong game after getting shelled in his first outing. Would have liked to have seen him stop one of the first period goals but I can’t fault him too much on those.
And I don’t know what to say about the islanders. They’re stuck in purgatory. Nowhere near cup contention with an old team and no help on the way. How long before Lou is fired and they start the tear down.
|
|
|
|
Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 20, 2024 3:37:57 GMT -5
Hopefully. He has been not only bad, but also lazy and irresponsible. You guys are awfully hatd on a guy who has barely played in a year. He isn’t going to be normal until March. Remember Caufield? It’s not that he has barely played in a year. He barely plays on a shift. Hockey is a two way game. Score on offense and get the puck back on defense. |
|
|
|
Post by habsorbed on Oct 20, 2024 14:00:58 GMT -5
Bright side: Primea with a strong game. Mailman looked good altho tired as game went on - 4 minute shift didn't help. Lane great as always. Thought Kappy and Heiny were decent but what can they do with DvNO in the middle?
Dark side: Suze has been playing like a 3C. Barron ain't going to get any better - nothing upstairs.
I actually thought Dach looked a little better than he has. I'm predicting he starts putting up points in the next 5 games. And how does Marty not let him take a shoot out. If Marty has to go with 4 rookies who have not played 10 games in the NHL over Dach, then Dach should not be centering the 2nd line, and sure as heck should not be on the 1st PP unit.. Marty had a chance to give Dach some confidence and the team a point but Marty decided to teach the guy returning from injury a lesson? Marty needs to be taught a lesson.
|
|
|
|
Post by habsorbed on Oct 20, 2024 14:02:40 GMT -5
QuadSquad are simply useless. Think about it, 4 vet forwards taking up $20 million in cap space and we go 9 shootout rounds and not one of them has the offensive talent to be considered for the shootout. Marty, with good reason, preferred to go with 4 rookies (2 defencemen), all of whom have played less than 10 NHL games, and all with their first NHL shootout attempts ever. Boy MB screwed us and keeps the pain coming.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cranky on Oct 20, 2024 14:18:28 GMT -5
Marty had a chance to give Dach some confidence and the team a point but Marty decided to teach the guy returning from injury a lesson? Marty needs to be taught a lesson. My managers knew that i was ALWAYS watching and assessing their actions. Does Hughes a step behind him or has he given Marty full rein? |
|
|
|
Post by folatre on Oct 20, 2024 18:11:01 GMT -5
Shesterkin was masterful against the Leafs. If he plays, it will be long odds for the Habs.
One would assume Montreal does not want to get bullied by Rempe and a couple other greasy Rangers. And Xhekaj and Pezzetta would give the New York's skill guys some level of concern about what will happen if Rempe and Trouba start running around. However, St. Louis seems very uncomfortable with guys playing edgy and angry.
|
|
|
|
Post by CentreHice on Oct 20, 2024 18:34:22 GMT -5
Shesterkin was masterful against the Leafs. If he plays, it will be long odds for the Habs. One would assume Montreal does not want to get bullied by Rempe and a couple other greasy Rangers. And Xhekaj and Pezzetta would give the New York's skill guys some level of concern about what will happen if Rempe and Trouba start running around. However, St. Louis seems very uncomfortable with guys playing edgy and angry.I'll say it again....a Lady Byng team philosophy has never won a Stanley Cup. "Whatever it takes within the rules" is in the formula...and a Cup-serious team has an ample amount. Perhaps we're not far enough along yet to see/warrant that ingredient. We certainly have a lot of big bodies. I think it's why Toronto never goes as far their talent could take them. Boston always seems to win out in that department. Goaltending, too....but the Bruins' feistiness is a notch above both the Leafs and the Habs. Florida called and raised...and, IMO, that's a big reason why they've been best in the East (with a Cup) the past two years. |
|
|
|
Post by IamCanadiens on Oct 20, 2024 20:17:07 GMT -5
I imagine Rempe is considered the same as Reaves; A loose cannon that will skate around looking to create chaos and pain. If healthy Arber should be in the line up. Heck, for all we know he was given the Islanders game off to prepare for this.
|
|
|
|
Post by Skilly on Oct 21, 2024 13:44:01 GMT -5
Hopefully. He has been not only bad, but also lazy and irresponsible. You guys are awfully hatd on a guy who has barely played in a year. He isn’t going to be normal until March. Remember Caufield? Can we please stop with this excuse. Even the players don’t agree there is a grace period These guy have the best surgeons, the best rehab facilities, the best trainers, the best dietitians. We talk like this is Joe Schmo trying to get back to beer league action. The recent mantra of Dach hasn’t played in a full year is just crazy talk. He was rehabbing it, skating on it, under the careful watch of the team. These guys don’t come back until 100%, if they are honest with the team. The other argument here is that half the league and certainly ALL of the players on the Montreal Canadiens have not played a game since April. That’s 6 months ago. So are people implying that they need 40 games to get back into the groove? C’mon man. Dach has just been lazy and careless out there. There is no in depth analysis needed here. They are all out of game shape, that what training camp is for. And Dach was there. |
|
