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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 3, 2024 12:04:03 GMT -5
Calgary Flames vs Montreal Canadiens
Tuesday, Nov 5th @ 7 PM EST
Networks: SNW,
TSN2, RDS
Trade Montreal / Calgary
Jan 28th, 1993
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Habs trade Valeri Bure (Feb 1, 1998)
* Logos courtesy SportsLogos.net and TSN.ca / Sportsnet.ca
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Post by folatre on Nov 3, 2024 16:02:42 GMT -5
Despite Calgary being an infrequent regular season opponent, the two Cup finals series against the Flames bring back a lot memories for me.
I think coaches and players were rightly trying to focus on positives after the Pittsburgh game. I believe Tuesday is a real test because they cannot revert back to playing shinny and, moreover, Calgary does not possess a highly talented roster so the boys should expect that playing hockey the right way for three periods can earn them a much needed victory.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 3, 2024 16:28:08 GMT -5
I think this will be a very tough game, the Flames are 13th overall and we are 29th... all the flames coach have to do is show their team clips of what hasxworked against us and we're done.
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Post by drkcloud on Nov 3, 2024 17:00:34 GMT -5
Another Loss but we'll be told hey the future is bright
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Post by Cranky on Nov 3, 2024 17:39:56 GMT -5
No matter how the universe evolves in Habsland, I'm very well equipped to deal with another pitiful outcome.
I got a well muscled middle finger to push the DELETE button and about 30 movies that need eyeballs....
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Post by seventeen on Nov 3, 2024 18:36:10 GMT -5
I keep reviewing that Monahan trade to see what I should be hoping for, but Puckpedia is even more confusing than Capfriendly. I really need a flow chart.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 3, 2024 19:10:43 GMT -5
I keep reviewing that Monahan trade to see what I should be hoping for, but Puckpedia is even more confusing than Capfriendly. I really need a flow chart. Try CapWages, it's a great site, tells you who can be sent down, when contracts start, who gets perf bonuses capwages.com/teams/montreal_canadiens |
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Post by folatre on Nov 3, 2024 19:16:26 GMT -5
Jeje, you're right, the text of the trade on puckpedia is seemingly twice as long as the one I originally read two years ago. Basically the best scenario for Montreal (and the only remotely realistic one) is that Calgary is good enough this season to finish just outside the bottom ten. Florida's a wagon so their pick will be late 20s.
Is it possible the Flames avoid the bottom ten? They got off to solid start this season, so that certainly helps. Yet they are limping along in the last couple of weeks. Plus, everyone knows Conroy will not hesitate to sell (Andersson, Mantha, Kuzmenko) at the deadline if they are out of a playoff spot, which means a late season swoon could happen.
It is almost four weeks until American Thanksgiving, so it feels early to come up with a list of near-locks for the bottom 10. If I had to guess the locks: San Jose, Chicago, Philadelphia, Montreal, Buffalo, Anaheim, Columbus. If I had to circle a few more who could descend to those depths: Islanders, Pittsburgh, Calgary, Seattle, St. Louis, Utah, Detroit.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 4, 2024 2:25:56 GMT -5
Well, Calgary started the season well, but have lost 5 of last 6. Nothing like playing the Habs to find a slump buster. Everytime I see an ad for The Rebuild, i can't help but sneer. Wonder what next seasons episodes will be like?
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Post by IamCanadiens on Nov 4, 2024 8:50:23 GMT -5
The Flames have looked fast in the games I've watched and the Habs have looked slow. Uh oh
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 4, 2024 9:06:01 GMT -5
Well, Calgary started the season well, but have lost 5 of last 6. Nothing like playing the Habs to find a slump buster. Everytime I see an ad for The Rebuild, i can't help but sneer. Wonder what next seasons episodes will be like? The UnRebuild? |
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Post by Skilly on Nov 4, 2024 9:59:43 GMT -5
I keep reviewing that Monahan trade to see what I should be hoping for, but Puckpedia is even more confusing than Capfriendly. I really need a flow chart. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 4, 2024 10:35:32 GMT -5
I keep reviewing that Monahan trade to see what I should be hoping for, but Puckpedia is even more confusing than Capfriendly. I really need a flow chart. I believe we are at are at "Did CGY recieve R1-2025 (FLA)" and I'm pretty sure the Panthers will not be a lottery team. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 4, 2024 13:24:13 GMT -5
Jeje, you're right, the text of the trade on puckpedia is seemingly twice as long as the one I originally read two years ago. Basically the best scenario for Montreal (and the only remotely realistic one) is that Calgary is good enough this season to finish just outside the bottom ten. Florida's a wagon so their pick will be late 20s. Is it possible the Flames avoid the bottom ten? They got off to solid start this season, so that certainly helps. Yet they are limping along in the last couple of weeks. Plus, everyone knows Conroy will not hesitate to sell (Andersson, Mantha, Kuzmenko) at the deadline if they are out of a playoff spot, which means a late season swoon could happen. It is almost four weeks until American Thanksgiving, so it feels early to come up with a list of near-locks for the bottom 10. If I had to guess the locks: San Jose, Chicago, Philadelphia, Montreal, Buffalo, Anaheim, Columbus. If I had to circle a few more who could descend to those depths: Islanders, Pittsburgh, Calgary, Seattle, St. Louis, Utah, Detroit. I'm now in the bandwagon where we skip Calgary's 2025 pick and get their 2026 pick. It's looking like that draft is going to be better and quite a bit better. There might be 5 guys in that draft who could go first in the 2025 draft, even at their current ages. McKenna is the obvious guy, but there are a couple more who are not that far off. Unfortunately, I think Calgary has to get the top pick in 2025 for them to keep it. Low probabilities. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 4, 2024 13:30:40 GMT -5
I believe we are at are at "Did CGY recieve R1-2025 (FLA)" and I'm pretty sure the Panthers will not be a lottery team. I still have my fingers crossed that a couple of key Florida players go on LTIR in the next month or two. That would open up the gates for Florida being a lottery team and then the benefit for the Habs increases. (I think?  ). Otherwise, best case scenario would be Calgary finishing 11th. That's not terrible and probably lands a middle six forward. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 4, 2024 14:41:21 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Nov 4, 2024 19:15:53 GMT -5
Arpon Basu says (while strongly stating he is not a Dvorak defender ) that Dvorak was the best Hab on the ice against Pittsburgh. I didn't see the game. Can't comment on that. I assume the advanced stats suggest that. |
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Post by folatre on Nov 4, 2024 19:31:03 GMT -5
He was better than usual, but he is usually terrible and/or invisible. I think Basu primarily put Dvorak on the podium because he scored the Habs' only goal of the night.
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Post by Cranky on Nov 4, 2024 20:04:15 GMT -5
Dvo has a five speed box and stuck on 4th.
He reminds me of Ruzinsky who never bothered to go beyond the minimal acceptable for the next contract.
If i see Dvo go to war in the corner or fight for blue ice dominance I'm going to volunteer for a vasectomy with rusted garden shears...
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Post by folatre on Nov 4, 2024 20:17:08 GMT -5
Wow, Cranky, a name from the past who indeed was notable for coasting (sometimes a shift, sometimes an entire game, sometimes for weeks at a time). I would say Rucinsky was a more gifted hockey than Dvorak, but the drive to maximize his talent and compete hard was not regularly there.
Dvorak will be 29 soon and I do not have a crystal ball but I would be surprised if his future is much more than bouncing around the league for three or perhaps four more seasons on relatively modest 1-2 year contracts. Surprisingly, Rucinsky got over 600 points in the league and almost made it to 1000 games played. I would bet the under on Dvorak getting to those career numbers.
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Post by Cranky on Nov 4, 2024 21:29:32 GMT -5
Ruzinsky was the worse of the worse. I couldn't stand how much of a petty thief he was. Took the money and deliberately coasted like a two bit corner bike thief. ..getting away stealing a kids tricycle.
How on earth do these kind of players look at themselves in the mirror? To have so much talent and to mail it in. No pride. No shame. No desire to be anything more then a two bit player doing nothing more then two bit work.
A legacy of nothing...
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Post by folatre on Nov 5, 2024 17:36:35 GMT -5
Calgary has a number of greasy forwards in their lineup -- most notably Lomberg, Kadri, and Pospisil. Hutson and Guhle could certainly be targeted. It mystifies me that Montreal is okay with a fourth line of Kapanen, Heineman, and Armia. Has the front office not noted the resurgence of physicality and nastiness in the league this decade?
Wolf is a quick, athletic goalie. The boys need to get traffic in front.
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Post by jkr on Nov 5, 2024 17:53:36 GMT -5
It seems St.Louis has forgotten that guys like Pezzetta and Xhekaj allow small players thd freedom to create without looking over their shoulders. His own experience should tell him that.
I'm tired of seeing guys like Dach, Barron & Slafkovsky taking high hits. Take the initiative & ice a tougher lineup.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 5, 2024 18:24:34 GMT -5
At least Arber is in the lineup
FLAMES (6-5-1) at CANADIENS (4-7-1)
7 p.m. ET; RDS, TSN2, SNW
Flames projected lineup
Connor Zary -- Nazem Kadri -- Andrei Kuzmenko
Blake Coleman -- Mikael Backlund -- Matt Coronato
Jonathan Huberdeau -- Yegor Sharangovich -- Anthony Mantha
Ryan Lomberg -- Kevin Rooney -- Martin Pospisil
Mackenzie Weegar -- Daniil Miromanov
Kevin Bahl -- Rasmus Andersson
Tyson Barrie -- Brayden Pachal
Dustin Wolf
Dan Vladar
Scratched: Jake Bean, Joel Hanley, Justin Kirkland
Injured: None
Canadiens projected lineup
Cole Caufield -- Nick Suzuki -- Kirby Dach
Alex Newhook -- Jake Evans -- Juraj Slafkovsky
Josh Anderson -- Christian Dvorak -- Brendan Gallagher
Emil Heineman -- Oliver Kapanen -- Joel Armia
Mike Matheson -- Kaiden Guhle
Lane Hutson -- David Savard
Arber Xhekaj -- Jayden Struble
Sam Montembeault
Cayden Primeau
Scratched: Justin Barron, Michael Pezzetta
Injured: Patrik Laine (knee), Raphael Harvey-Pinard (broken leg)
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Post by Cranky on Nov 5, 2024 19:14:48 GMT -5
When I was born they dropped me out the window to see how hard my head was...no damage.
I beg to differ, I was damaged enough that I'm watching the game LIVE...AGAIN.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 5, 2024 19:15:19 GMT -5
When I was born they dropped me out the window to see how hard my head was...no damage. I beg to differ, I was damaged enough that I'm watching the game LIVE...AGAIN. Were all a little damaged from watching them |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 5, 2024 19:16:43 GMT -5
The best we could hope for, unless they have a epiphany, is maybe a 4th or 5th rounder... big whoop we have draft pics coming out of our ass, we don't need more
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Post by Cranky on Nov 5, 2024 19:18:20 GMT -5
Do the Habs know the rink has an offensive zone? It's OK to go there...
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Post by Skilly on Nov 5, 2024 19:19:14 GMT -5
The defensive coverage in front of Monty is terrible
Clearing our zone is still terrible. Even when the Flames do not have a stick, they do t pressure and let him soccer kick it to the point ...
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Post by Cranky on Nov 5, 2024 19:19:16 GMT -5
The best we could hope for, unless they have a epiphany, is maybe a 4th or 5th rounder... big whoop we have draft pics coming out of our ass, we don't need more |
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). Otherwise, best case scenario would be Calgary finishing 11th. That's not terrible and probably lands a middle six forward.