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Post by skunk on Feb 22, 2008 23:51:57 GMT -5
Bad combo. Fischer and McDonagh both way overrated for where they were taken in the draft. On the heels of duds like Brian Lee and Blake Wheeler.
Dumb.
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Post by CrocRob on Feb 22, 2008 23:58:48 GMT -5
Well this seems enlightened.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 22, 2008 23:59:22 GMT -5
Wheeler was quite the suprise when taken so high by Phoenix. He has been slow to develop but has looked like a man amongst boys this season. He was absolutely dominant in the two games against Wisconsin that I watched this year. How that translates into the pros remains to be seen, but I think he has a lot of upside that was not obvious in his play earlier.
I think Fischer is the biggest unknown of our two. He has not really contributed offensively but he gets lots of minutes and shows some real good skating and defensive poise back there. McD is going to be a good one, and likely will show his draft rating down the road a lot like Komo.
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Post by habmeister on Feb 23, 2008 4:21:37 GMT -5
skunk, what happenned in the last 3 weeks?? I would think that McDonagh is a lot more like Andrei Markov than Komisarek. He plays a very efficient style, but doesn't make many spectacular plays and doesn't throw the big hits. I think Ryan can be just as useful a player as either Komisarek or Markov, but in terms of comparison, he is much closer to Andrei than Mike. McDonagh reminds me more of Gary Suter than Chris Chelios. I think Timmins mentioned that when someone asked him to compare him to an NHL player. I think he meant Gary Suter, but perhaps Ryan. The Suters are very similar in any case. you compared him to gary suter 6 months ago and now he's a bust. seen him play a lot since, or just looked at his stats and assumed....  |
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Post by jkr on Feb 23, 2008 9:59:15 GMT -5
I don't follow these as closely as others but on draft day the talking heads thought McDonaugh was a strong pick at the 12 spot. Now the guy is a bust less than a year later? |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 23, 2008 10:14:19 GMT -5
Jake Gardiner
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Post by clear observer on Feb 23, 2008 11:58:29 GMT -5
shows some real good skating and defensive poise back there. Crucial, in my books. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 23, 2008 13:43:29 GMT -5
shows some real good skating and defensive poise back there. Crucial, in my books. We read the same books! |
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Post by jkr on Feb 23, 2008 13:59:20 GMT -5
Huh? |
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Post by montreal on Feb 23, 2008 18:25:46 GMT -5
Aaron Ness is a fun player to watch, he's small as hell though but i've seen him twice this year for Roseau and he's all over the ice in a good way. Very fast, good skater with lots of offensive skills. He's going to Minnesota next year, maybe they will pair him up with Fischer. Mike Lee is another Roseau player but he's an '09, outstanding numbers though. |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 25, 2008 17:38:06 GMT -5
Huh? Smooth skating, offensive defenseman, currently playing for the top ranked Minnetonka Skippers, in the Minnesota high school leagues. Slated to go in the bottom half of the first round. Like, you know, right around where we would be picking. Oh no they wouldn't!!  |
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Post by skunk on Feb 26, 2008 18:32:28 GMT -5
Timmins is seriously overrating those Minnesota high schoolers, and it's an infatuation he better get over soon.
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Post by habmeister on Feb 26, 2008 18:49:35 GMT -5
Timmins is seriously overrating those Minnesota high schoolers, and it's an infatuation he better get over soon. you said mcdonagh was similar to markov 3 weeks ago and now he's a bust. whats up with that? |
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Post by CrocRob on Feb 26, 2008 19:36:19 GMT -5
Just so people even know who to criticize, Fischer was a Pat Westrum pick (he lobbied really hard for him) and McDonagh was a Timmins pick.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 26, 2008 20:21:23 GMT -5
We don't really know yet how Fischer will turn out, so Westrum may not be wrong.
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Post by jkr on Feb 26, 2008 22:50:04 GMT -5
We don't really know yet how Fischer will turn out, so Westrum may not be wrong. And McDonagh was picked less than a year ago, he's a bust already??? |
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Post by jkr on Feb 26, 2008 22:52:24 GMT -5
Just so people even know who to criticize, Fischer was a Pat Westrum pick (he lobbied really hard for him) and McDonagh was a Timmins pick. You know how it is with some people - don't let the facts get in the way of a good slam. See it all the time in pro sportwriting & we see it here too. |
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Post by CrocRob on Feb 26, 2008 23:13:04 GMT -5
We don't really know yet how Fischer will turn out, so Westrum may not be wrong. And McDonagh was picked less than a year ago, he's a bust already??? Has he won the Norris yet?? BUST |
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Post by blny on Feb 27, 2008 11:08:13 GMT -5
skunk=troll
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 27, 2008 11:30:32 GMT -5
Sticks and stones man  I can't rate these guys without actually seeing them and even then I wouldn't know how they'd pan out at the pro level. Everything I hear about McDonagh has been positive up to this point. Maybe Skunkster saw something he didn't like in his game. Don't know. But from what I understand he's been hitting everything that moves on most nights and is very defensively responsible in his own end. However, I'm hoping Fischer doesn't turn into another Ronny Annear. The stats at hockeydb.com are incomplete because I remember Ronny playing with UPEI back in '85/'86. He wasn't very physical and I only remember him being in one fight in which he got his nose broken. Probably why I remembered it. Don't know about his physical play, but Fischer sort of reminds me of Annear. Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Feb 27, 2008 11:43:33 GMT -5
Sticks and stones man It's not meant in a mean spirited way. It's just he's been on here ripping this and that without apparent thought. There's little to no evidence to support any of the claims he's made, nor has he made an effort to really back up his comments with anything substantial. It's 'he sucks.' or 'dumb, dumb'. Lord knows we have a few people famous here for negative posts, but at least they make an effort to support their thoughts. All this thread is doing is phishing. While in no way familiar with Annear, he was a late round pick. Is it fair at this point to compare a 199th overall pick to a 20th? |
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Post by mic on Feb 27, 2008 13:44:29 GMT -5
Sticks and stones man While in no way familiar with Annear, he was a late round pick. Is it fair at this point to compare a 199th overall pick to a 20th? Well, hopefully it will be unfair in the correct direction... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 27, 2008 14:52:06 GMT -5
Sticks and stones man It's not meant in a mean spirited way. It's just he's been on here ripping this and that without apparent thought. There's little to no evidence to support any of the claims he's made, nor has he made an effort to really back up his comments with anything substantial. It's 'he sucks.' or 'dumb, dumb'. No worries buds. I don't know man. Some of the stuff I've read here and there about Fischer suggest he might be a bust. Other opinions give a different outlook however. Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Feb 27, 2008 14:57:12 GMT -5
I've heard that Fischer is having a tough year. Considering the number of quality young defensive prospects we have, I'm prepared to be patient with David. The skills are there. It's easy to forget these are kids. He's 20 years old. Give him time before we cast him away.
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Post by habmeister on Feb 27, 2008 16:04:39 GMT -5
I've heard that Fischer is having a tough year. Considering the number of quality young defensive prospects we have, I'm prepared to be patient with David. The skills are there. It's easy to forget these are kids. He's 20 years old. Give him time before we cast him away. i too am patient, i wouldn't expect a tall, skinny, defenceman to bust out until he's grown into his body, at what age did big bird bust onto the habs with a vengeance. disclaimer, i am in no way comparing fischer to robinson. bryan allen was a tall, skinny kid in the canucks organization, it wasn't until age 24-25 that he really became a dependable force on the blue line. more of a stay at homer of course, but with fischer i wouldn't be surprised if he's still 2-3 years away from having a shot at our blue line. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 27, 2008 16:55:40 GMT -5
Am I the only old prevert that thinks "Timmins and the Minnesota high Schoolers" is the title of an XXX movie on St. Catherine St. "Ribeiro does Dallas?"
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Post by cigarviper on Feb 27, 2008 20:24:56 GMT -5
I read today we had 16 players drafted by the Timmins/Savard/Gainey playing last night.
Specifically 5 of our top 6 forwards, 3 of our top 4 defensemen and both goalies. That's some seriously good drafting and developing. We're a few points out of pole position in the east and if we're not the youngest then one of the youngest teams in the league. The minor teams are healthy with prospects and we have some exciting talent in school. What's not to like?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 27, 2008 21:02:52 GMT -5
Nice find CV. Sort of puts things into perspective.
Cheers.
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Post by blny on Feb 28, 2008 7:16:19 GMT -5
I read today we had 16 players drafted by the Timmins/Savard/Gainey playing last night. Specifically 5 of our top 6 forwards, 3 of our top 4 defensemen and both goalies. That's some seriously good drafting and developing. We're a few points out of pole position in the east and if we're not the youngest then one of the youngest teams in the league. The minor teams are healthy with prospects with some exciting talent in school. What's not to like? Chapeau! ;D |
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Post by Habfaith on Feb 28, 2008 14:23:34 GMT -5
I read today we had 16 players drafted by the Timmins/Savard/Gainey playing last night. Specifically 5 of our top 6 forwards, 3 of our top 4 defensemen and both goalies. That's some seriously good drafting and developing. We're a few points out of pole position in the east and if we're not the youngest then one of the youngest teams in the league. The minor teams are healthy with prospects with some exciting talent in school. What's not to like? Wow, no doubt! I love it... |
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