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Post by legaspesien on Nov 29, 2005 12:17:12 GMT -5
TSN report
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Post by cigarviper on Nov 29, 2005 12:20:26 GMT -5
I'm sure you would have posted it if you had it, but I'll ask anyway, do you have a link?
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Post by Neo on Nov 29, 2005 12:21:33 GMT -5
Wow, the Habs and Gainey get seriously screwed. What now? Call up another Dman? Gainey should find a way to put the screws to Columbus.
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Post by HabSolute on Nov 29, 2005 12:22:12 GMT -5
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Post by HabSolute on Nov 29, 2005 12:23:07 GMT -5
Wow, the Habs and Gainey get seriously screwed. What now? Call up another Dman? Gainey should find a way to put the screws to Columbus. At least it's in the other conference..... He won't get the chance to burn us too often (not that he would anyway but....) |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 29, 2005 12:26:34 GMT -5
We lost Hainsey for nothing. We'll see how it turns out but it came down Mark Streit over Ron Hainsey. Did we make the right call or is it simply a case of 6 of one / half dozen of the other. There's no denying the physical skills Hainsey posesses but there are serious questions about his intelligence and character that have undermined his ability to make the most of his talent.
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Post by Neo on Nov 29, 2005 12:27:45 GMT -5
Not only did we lose him for nothing but we have to pay half his salary!!
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Post by FREEHAB on Nov 29, 2005 12:31:18 GMT -5
I think I'm going to puke.  Streit is an experiment gone wrong. Hainsey at least has size and ability. Doug MacLean must be giggling his ass off. You would think that there would be some consideration (compassion) given to the fact that our #1 D man is out for 3 games, Komi is away for personal issues, and Shelly is on the shelf. NOPE. Business is business my friends, and MacLean shows that he’ll do what ever it takes to put a winning team on the ice in Ohio. Nice of us to help him finance part of that growth. Gainey had to know he was as good as gone. Please, some one tell me this is all part of Bob’s master plan. He does have a plan…. right? |
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Post by cigarviper on Nov 29, 2005 12:32:21 GMT -5
Eh, $200, 000 is irrelevant. It's the fact that a potential promising young talent like Hainsey that doesn't grow on trees, turned out to be a bust in the end for whatever the reason. I wish him luck as he was given every chance to turn into an NHLer with the Habs. Bummer for him, bummer for us.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 29, 2005 12:35:10 GMT -5
Not surprised. Columbus likes our young d-men; first Beauchemin and now Hainsey.
Sure makes our defence corpse look even thinner.
Interesting times.
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Post by MC Habber on Nov 29, 2005 12:39:46 GMT -5
Blast! I'm not impressed with Gainey on this one, he had to know Hainsey would likely be claimed. Perhaps that's what he wanted but I can't see any reason for it.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 29, 2005 12:41:43 GMT -5
Blast! I'm not impressed with Gainey on this one, he had to know Hainsey would likely be claimed. Perhaps that's what he wanted but I can't see any reason for it. Every club is in the same leaky boat. Ya places yer bet and... |
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Post by MC Habber on Nov 29, 2005 12:44:53 GMT -5
This rule is total BS. I understand the NHL wanting to prevent teams from "hiding" players in the minors (though I question how much of an issue that would be), but capping the salaries at $75k is rediculous. I can't see how the competitive balance of the league would be upset if the waiver thing kicked in at $500k instead - a team only has so many minor league roster spots and would want to use most of them for prospects anyway.
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Post by Douper on Nov 29, 2005 12:47:39 GMT -5
Here's what I think will happen. Montreal will trade for Hainsey....
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 29, 2005 12:51:22 GMT -5
Here's what I think will happen. Montreal will trade for Hainsey.... Maybe they'll offer Danis for him. That would give Columbus a Denis/Danis duo. |
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Post by franko on Nov 29, 2005 12:53:50 GMT -5
Here's what I think will happen. Montreal will trade for Hainsey.... For Dags? |
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Post by MC Habber on Nov 29, 2005 12:55:47 GMT -5
Habs will pick up Thibault from waivers and trade Theodore for Hainsey, saving ton's of money which they can then use to sign Theo Fleury.
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Post by Bobs_HABit on Nov 29, 2005 13:00:05 GMT -5
This rule is total BS. I understand the NHL wanting to prevent teams from "hiding" players in the minors (though I question how much of an issue that would be), but capping the salaries at $75k is rediculous. I can't see how the competitive balance of the league would be upset if the waiver thing kicked in at $500k instead - a team only has so many minor league roster spots and would want to use most of them for prospects anyway. Again, I like the rule. It's all about smart management. We lose out on this one, maybe the next time we are on the other side. Like I said in the other thread, Gainey will think long and hard the next time a similar situation comes up. It was terrible asset management on our end. To make matters worse in hindsight, did we really expect to go the entire season with just the original 7 d-man? Injuries, suspensions, etc...things happen. To not think we would need our supposed 8th best d-man at some point is sticking your head in the sand and hoping for a miracle. As an example, both Toronto and Boston have each used 9 already this season. Now what?!? |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 29, 2005 13:00:46 GMT -5
I really don't understand this one.
I've been a Gainey supporter "UNCONDITIONAL" but this is a double loss, first round draft pick and half salary.
He was having a good year in Hamilton so I assume that there are deeper problems with Hainsey than you and I (and writers like Red Fisher) know about but Gainey and Julien are aware of. Hainsey (and Hossa) were big, fast and talented.
When it's time to cut somebody loose it's best done quickly. It's like divorcing a wife. If you determined she has to go and there is no likely improvement (and there is somebody better waiting on the farm) then you act decisively. Paying half the support still hurts your cap.
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Post by Ryan on Nov 29, 2005 13:03:14 GMT -5
Not only did we lose him for nothing but we have to pay half his salary!! As opposed to paying his full salary to play in Hamilton? Welcome to Montreal, where every former player is either a Hart, Norris, or Vezina winner immediately after they're gone. |
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Post by habmeister on Nov 29, 2005 13:05:08 GMT -5
Habs will pick up Thibault from waivers and trade Theodore for Hainsey, saving ton's of money which they can then use to sign Theo Fleury. Not often a post makes me laugh out loud, but you pulled it off with this one! haha Anyway, i'm not sure what the whining was about. Hainsey was stuck in the minors, every team has players like him that are making over the $75,000 mark, and if you can never bring him up without losing him then i think we should have just buried him there. We could have had him playing for the bulldogs for $  or have him playing for columbus for $200,000 out of our pockets. Not sure of the particulars with his salary. Maybe bob had a deal worked out with columbus, as i'm sure he would have called every gm to ask if they would take him. Either columbus lied and said no (which i can't blame them) or are going to trade him to montreal for a 5th round pick or something today. Not sure, but on the other side of the coin, i have to say that if a player is good enough to play in the show then he should get that chance. Good for hainsey, bad for us, but we'll be on the other side of this soon. In the future every minor league player will sign for $74,999 unless he's a veteran who is on the downside of his career and doesn't expect to make it back and just wants job security. I'm assuming that hainsey was signed before the new cba, in which case we were going to lose him regardless. As far as i'm concerned good riddance, i'm tired of hearing about his "potential" on this board. He is a stiff. On the last note, in what order do these players pass through waivers? Do they start with the team with the least points currently? I'm assuming that must be the rule. Does anybody know the answer to this question? |
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Post by MC Habber on Nov 29, 2005 13:06:14 GMT -5
This rule is total BS. I understand the NHL wanting to prevent teams from "hiding" players in the minors (though I question how much of an issue that would be), but capping the salaries at $75k is rediculous. I can't see how the competitive balance of the league would be upset if the waiver thing kicked in at $500k instead - a team only has so many minor league roster spots and would want to use most of them for prospects anyway. Again, I like the rule. It's all about smart management. We lose out on this one, maybe the next time we are on the other side. Like I said in the other thread, Gainey will think long and hard the next time a similar situation comes up. It was terrible asset management on our end. To make matters worse in hindsight, did we really expect to go the entire season with just the original 7 d-man? Injuries, suspensions, etc...things happen. To not think we would need our supposed 8th best d-man at some point is sticking your head in the sand and hoping for a miracle. As an example, both Toronto and Boston have each used 9 already this season. Now what?!? Are you suggesting that we should have gone with 9 defensemen and only 1 extra forward? What would we have done when we had all those injuries to forwards? And what's the sense in having Hainsey sitting in the pressbox for weeks on end? This rule unfairly (and perhaps illegally) caps minor league salaries, impedes player development, sends the best young players to Europe, and increases the pressure on NHL players to play hurt. In the words of Jay Sherman, "It stinks!" |
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Post by habmeister on Nov 29, 2005 13:06:34 GMT -5
Another question, is there a limit to the # of players a team can lose and the # of players a team can claim?
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Post by Forum Ghost on Nov 29, 2005 13:12:40 GMT -5
First Hossa and now Hainsey... the first round of the 2000 NHL Draft is officially a bust for the Habs.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Nov 29, 2005 13:17:13 GMT -5
Florida put Huselius on waivers.
Anyone interested?
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Post by insomnius on Nov 29, 2005 13:19:45 GMT -5
Huselius is a discipline problem as well as a highly skilled soft unmotivated player - other than the discipline sounds like Ribeiro
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 29, 2005 13:24:14 GMT -5
Huselius is a discipline problem as well as a highly skilled soft unmotivated player - other than the discipline sounds like Ribeiro Sounds like the guy we just lost on waivers. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 29, 2005 13:29:51 GMT -5
Huselius is a discipline problem as well as a highly skilled soft unmotivated player - other than the discipline sounds like Ribeiro Sounds like the guy we just lost on waivers. Bingo! |
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Post by Gord on Nov 29, 2005 13:30:18 GMT -5
Does this mean that Columbus cannot sent Hainsey down to their farm team without being subject to waivers again? And if he is indeed waived, would we not have first right of reclamation? Is he good enough to crack their top-6 on a regular basis?
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 29, 2005 13:34:32 GMT -5
Does this mean that Columbus cannot sent Hainsey down to their farm team without being subject to waivers again? And if he is indeed waived, would we not have first right of reclamation? Is he good enough to crack their top-6 on a regular basis? We have dibs if Columbus waives him. Blue Jackets D: A. Foote B. Berard D. Westcott R. Suchy R. Klesla (IR) L. Richardson O. Tollefsen* A. Johnson C. Hulse |
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or have him playing for columbus for $200,000 out of our pockets. Not sure of the particulars with his salary. Maybe bob had a deal worked out with columbus, as i'm sure he would have called every gm to ask if they would take him. Either columbus lied and said no (which i can't blame them) or are going to trade him to montreal for a 5th round pick or something today.
