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Post by habfan74 on Sept 27, 2005 8:51:29 GMT -5
I'm hearing some trade rumors on hockey nations. I'd provide a link but you have to be a paying member to view the posts.
- the habs are still talking to Tampa about Richards, apparently tampa said the pkg. must include a center and a defense men.
-the habs are talking to New Jersey, they say the habs are interested in Viktor Kozlov.
-the latest rumor is the habs want Daze from Chicago.
I don't know how true they are, but what would you guys be willing to give up for any of these players.
NJ will be asking for a pick.
I heard Chicago wants Alex Perezhogin.
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Post by Polarice on Sept 27, 2005 8:58:02 GMT -5
I would'nt give anything for Daze, he's a waste of money, however he would give the Doctors something to do.
As far as Kozlov, he's big and strong, not much of a scorer "yet". Not sure he would be much of an upgrade, maybe 3rd line on a wing. He would be a waste centering the 4th line.
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Post by Andrew on Sept 27, 2005 11:46:09 GMT -5
I have no interest in Daze or Kozlov.
Richards would be a huge pickup, however. I'd offer Komisarek and Ribeiro and see what they come back with.
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Post by stubbsy60 on Sept 27, 2005 13:40:29 GMT -5
I would love to get Richards and Daze.
Richards would cost a lot as he is bound to be amongst the leagues top 10 in scoring this year. Koivu would likely be headed the other way although I don't know what defensmen they would want to complete the deal. If we could send them Hainsey I think it would be a fair trade.
As for Daze, I would imagine he is pretty healthy after finally getting a chance to recover from all his injuries with the lockout. I don't know that I would want to give up too much but we do have a ton of youth that will be hard pressed to make the team over the next few years so dealing one of them might not be so bad.
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Post by jkr on Sept 27, 2005 18:23:27 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Sept 27, 2005 21:40:52 GMT -5
Richards is the only name on that lis that holds any interest.
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Post by Rimmer on Sept 28, 2005 3:06:59 GMT -5
so they sign a soon to be 37-year-old player for $3.5M only to practically give away a 29-year-old (conditional draft pick), signed at $2.28M just to get under the cap? while Mogilny certainly has had a much better career than Friesen, how much hockey does he have left in him at that age? and he didn't play at all during the lockout. add Malakhov, also 37 and signed for $3.6M, to that and I have to ask myself "is Lou losing it?"  R. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 28, 2005 5:58:34 GMT -5
so they sign a soon to be 37-year-old player for $3.5M only to practically give away a 29-year-old (conditional draft pick), signed at $2.28M just to get under the cap? while Mogilny certainly has had a much better career than Friesen, how much hockey does he have left in him at that age? and he didn't play at all during the lockout. add Malakhov, also 37 and signed for $3.6M, to that and I have to ask myself "is Lou losing it?" R. Has Lou gone la-la? Hard to believe. * Lamoriello vows cuts to meet the salary capWednesday, September 21, 2005 BY RICH CHERE Star-Ledger Staff General manager Lou Lamoriello said yesterday the team would definitely be under the $39 million salary cap by the deadline at 5 p.m. on Oct. 4 (the day before the season opener). It is likely he will need to cut approximately $2 million in salary by that time. "You can trade or waive players," Lamoriello said. If a player clears waivers and is assigned to the minors, he might have to stay there. That is because if that player is recalled by the Devils at some point and another team claims him on his way back, that team would have to pay only half of the player's salary. The Devils would have to pay the other half, which would count against the cap.- www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/11273017349730.xml&coll=1* Btw, Mogilny has apparently been having an outstanding camp. |
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Post by Rimmer on Sept 28, 2005 7:23:35 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I don't see the connection. how does this article help to justify the Mogilny and Malakhov signings?
R.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 28, 2005 9:57:11 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I don't see the connection. how does this article help to justify the Mogilny and Malakhov signings? R. By DARREN EVERSON DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER The Devils continue to try the NHL's new cap on for size. They're finding the fit to be quite tight. "This is how it's going to be every year now," coach Larry Robinson said, referring to Monday's salary-dumping deal of Jeff Friesen to the Capitals for a third-round 2006 pick. Purging Friesen's $2.28 million salary was the clearest path to temporarily meeting the $39 million cap. When Patrik Elias (hepatitis) returns in late October or November, Lou Lamoriello will have more salary to pare. But life under the cap isn't just about finances. There also are roster implications. The Devils have 14 veteran forwards (counting Elias). With a 23-man roster, they'll have room for 14 forwards, assuming they carry a full 23 and Robinson keeps seven defensemen. But they won't have room for the salaries once Elias goes back on the books. So, more higher-salaried players might get moved and cheaper young talent will be needed to replace them. Zach Parise, the Devils' 2003 first-rounder, is surely one candidate. "On his play so far, he deserves to be here," said Robinson. Parise scored his second goal of the preseason to open the scoring in the Devils' 3-1 win over the Rangers last at the Meadowlands. - www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/story/350402p-298914c.html |
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Post by Rimmer on Sept 28, 2005 10:28:09 GMT -5
I guess we're talking about different things. I'm not questioning why they let Friesen go practically for nothing. I'm questioning why they put themselves into that position in the first place by signing two 37-year-olds.
R.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 28, 2005 11:07:51 GMT -5
I guess we're talking about different things. I'm not questioning why they let Friesen go practically for nothing. I'm questioning why they put themselves into that position in the first place by signing two 37-year-olds. R. They must like them as players. |
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Post by Polarice on Sept 28, 2005 11:23:58 GMT -5
Just an update on some rumors, the defencemen in question that Tampa are interested in, is Hainsey.
Also Montreal is "very" serious in obtaining Daze.
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Post by cigarviper on Sept 28, 2005 12:28:46 GMT -5
Just an update on some rumors, the defencemen in question that Tampa are interested in, is Hainsey. Also Montreal is "very" serious in obtaining Daze. Daze doesn't do it for me, but Richards is another matter altogether. If Hainsey is a key part of that trade then the only questions left would be "Where do I sign?", and "Who's the forward involved?". Not in that order of course. |
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Post by Polarice on Sept 28, 2005 13:11:17 GMT -5
Just an update on some rumors, the defencemen in question that Tampa are interested in, is Hainsey. Also Montreal is "very" serious in obtaining Daze. Daze doesn't do it for me, but Richards is another matter altogether. If Hainsey is a key part of that trade then the only questions left would be "Where do I sign?", and "Who's the forward involved?". Not in that order of course. Saku |
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Post by Andrew on Sept 28, 2005 13:20:58 GMT -5
Just an update on some rumors, the defencemen in question that Tampa are interested in, is Hainsey. Also Montreal is "very" serious in obtaining Daze. I don't buy it. Richards is as valuable a trade commodity as there is in the NHL. I can't see Tampa letting go of him for anything less than a bonafide blue chip prospect (Phaneuf, Lehtonen), or young player. Hainsey would be a 'throw in' component of any trade involving Richards. Tampa is under no pressure to trade him. He's under contract, Tampa are not in cap trouble, and he's not approaching UFA status. If they decide to trade him, to trim salary, they'll have the luxury of shopping him around and getting a great deal. |
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Post by Polarice on Sept 28, 2005 13:45:42 GMT -5
Just an update on some rumors, the defencemen in question that Tampa are interested in, is Hainsey. Also Montreal is "very" serious in obtaining Daze. I don't buy it. Richards is as valuable a trade commodity as there is in the NHL. I can't see Tampa letting go of him for anything less than a bonafide blue chip prospect (Phaneuf, Lehtonen), or young player. Hainsey would be a 'throw in' component of any trade involving Richards. Tampa is under no pressure to trade him. He's under contract, Tampa are not in cap trouble, and he's not approaching UFA status. If they decide to trade him, to trim salary, they'll have the luxury of shopping him around and getting a great deal. And what is Koivu? |
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Post by Andrew on Sept 28, 2005 14:06:36 GMT -5
I don't buy it. Richards is as valuable a trade commodity as there is in the NHL. I can't see Tampa letting go of him for anything less than a bonafide blue chip prospect (Phaneuf, Lehtonen), or young player. Hainsey would be a 'throw in' component of any trade involving Richards. Tampa is under no pressure to trade him. He's under contract, Tampa are not in cap trouble, and he's not approaching UFA status. If they decide to trade him, to trim salary, they'll have the luxury of shopping him around and getting a great deal. And what is Koivu? I don't think they'd be interested. In a move to shed salary (the only concievable reason to trade Richards IMO) Koivu doesn't make sense. Koivu is also UFA after this season. If that deal were on the table I wouldn't hesitate to take it - it just doesn't seem like a reasonable proposal from Tampa's perspective. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Sept 28, 2005 16:05:10 GMT -5
An injury prone center on his last year before free agency ? Koivu and Hainsey for Richards, a young franchise forward? That would rank up there as the steal of the century. We all can see with our own eyes the great shortcomings on Hainsey, I would think a pro scout would see it as well. His trade value has to be about nil right now... Here are some of the center/dmen package that I think would realistic for Richards (and still...): Koivu / Markov or Komisarek Ribeiro / Rivet Plekanec / Souray |
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Post by franko on Sept 28, 2005 17:29:37 GMT -5
Koivu / Markov or Komisarek Ribeiro / Rivet Plekanec / SourayHere I was ready to set Pleks adrift and now . . . no way . . . and Souray stays as well. Otherwise . . . |
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Post by Bob on Sept 28, 2005 20:05:02 GMT -5
An injury prone center on his last year before free agency ? Koivu and Hainsey for Richards, a young franchise forward? That would rank up there as the steal of the century. We all can see with our own eyes the great shortcomings on Hainsey, I would think a pro scout would see it as well. His trade value has to be about nil right now... Here are some of the center/dmen package that I think would realistic for Richards (and still...): Koivu / Markov or Komisarek Ribeiro / Rivet Plekanec / Souray You would rate a package of Koivu and Komisarek equal to a package of Ribeiro and Rivet? I wouldn't even call it close. |
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Post by scottmn on Sept 28, 2005 20:14:16 GMT -5
I don't think Richards would come cheaply at all... There's teams out there right now that would give up a lot more than the bottom two packages that wre suggested by Doc... Koivu and one of Mark or Komo would probably interest them but Saku's pending UFA status is definitely a concern for any team. I would expect some team to make an offer that blows either of these out the window for Brad Richards the reigning Conny Smythe trophy winner.
Kozlov and Daze don't bring in enough for what I imagine their price tags are (over 2M I'm guessing)...
Kozlov doesn't use his size often enough, has never found his scoring touch and is very inconsistant. Daze is a beat when he's healthy, I'd love to have a healthy Eric Daze on my team... Too bad that's unlikely to happen, he's just too injury prone.
Our biggest need is a top 4 defenseman IMO, we have too many skilled forwards as it is, I would look into moving one of our gifted young forwards with a defenseman for an ace on the blueline.
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Post by PTH on Sept 28, 2005 20:49:43 GMT -5
You would rate a package of Koivu and Komisarek equal to a package of Ribeiro and Rivet? I wouldn't even call it close. I agree. Koivu is an injury-prone UFA to be, and Komisarek could easily just be a slightly improved Quintal - an asset for sure, but not a major trading piece. Ribeiro is young yet has shown he can get things done in this league, and Rivet is a serviceable top-4 defenseman, and would shine on a strong team where he doesn't need to be overused. Ribeiro and Rivet by a mile. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 28, 2005 23:09:33 GMT -5
Is there any player in the NHL who hasn't been rumored to be traded to Montreal for Koivu?
It's nonsense. I sure hope Koivu isn't reading the fabrications.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 28, 2005 23:13:58 GMT -5
Conversely, Rivet is a doorknob who has trouble handling the puck, isn't big enough to clear the crease, yet isn't a good enough skater to make up for that lack of strength. Ribeiro has shown squat in the playoffs which is where we separate the men from the boys.
Koivu is a heart and soul player, who looks like he's put his injury bug behind him and Komi is a6' 4" stud who has the potential to be another Foote or Stevens.
Interesting how you can look at the same group of players in two such different ways.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Sept 28, 2005 23:45:07 GMT -5
I agree. Koivu is an injury-prone UFA to be, and Komisarek could easily just be a slightly improved Quintal - an asset for sure, but not a major trading piece. Ribeiro is young yet has shown he can get things done in this league, and Rivet is a serviceable top-4 defenseman, and would shine on a strong team where he doesn't need to be overused. Ribeiro and Rivet by a mile. I think that you're underrating Komisarek and overrating Rivet. Looking at Rivet's play last season (especially in the playoffs) makes me think that he would have a hard time cracking the top four of a good NHL team. Komisarek had his first season of regular NHL duty last season. He's 6'4", 240 lbs, skates well, hits and makes a good first pass and has a tons of potential. He's only 23 so it might be a tad bit premature to compare him with Quintal already. If anything, Rivet is closer to being a Quintal than Komo is. I think that Komo may have a higher trade value than we might think. How many 25-and-under defenceman are there in the league with his size and skill? Not many. As for Ribs, he's going to have to prove this year that last season was not a fluke. He's a good player but I wonder what his ceiling is. His player bios have his career potential maxing out as a #2 center. Personally, I doubt that either of those proposals (Koivu/Komo or Ribs/Rivet) are enough to land Brad Richards. There are plenty of other teams that can offer way more than that for the 2004 Conn Smythe winner. |
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Post by Bob on Sept 29, 2005 0:07:13 GMT -5
You would rate a package of Koivu and Komisarek equal to a package of Ribeiro and Rivet? I wouldn't even call it close. I agree. Koivu is an injury-prone UFA to be, and Komisarek could easily just be a slightly improved Quintal - an asset for sure, but not a major trading piece. Ribeiro is young yet has shown he can get things done in this league, and Rivet is a serviceable top-4 defenseman, and would shine on a strong team where he doesn't need to be overused. Ribeiro and Rivet by a mile. If you and I were GM's, I would definitely want to trade with you. One good year and Ribeiro is on a pedestal. I'm not so sure that the new emphasis on speed will benefit the slow-footed Ribeiro. It might but it might not. The same goes for Dagenais. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 29, 2005 8:08:01 GMT -5
You would rate a package of Koivu and Komisarek equal to a package of Ribeiro and Rivet? I wouldn't even call it close. I agree. Koivu is an injury-prone UFA to be, and Komisarek could easily just be a slightly improved Quintal - an asset for sure, but not a major trading piece. Ribeiro is young yet has shown he can get things done in this league, and Rivet is a serviceable top-4 defenseman, and would shine on a strong team where he doesn't need to be overused. Ribeiro and Rivet by a mile. Ribeiro is on a short leash and needs to prove last season was no fluke. Rivet a #4 d-man? Are they that difficult to find? Richards, last season's Conn Smythe trophy winner, has out-performed Lecavalier over the course of their careers in both the regular season and in the playoffs. If you'd be willing to take Ribeiro and Rivet off my hands and give me Richards in exchange, consider it a done deal—I'll throw in a sack of pucks, gratis. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 29, 2005 11:21:31 GMT -5
I agree. Koivu is an injury-prone UFA to be, and Komisarek could easily just be a slightly improved Quintal - an asset for sure, but not a major trading piece. Ribeiro is young yet has shown he can get things done in this league, and Rivet is a serviceable top-4 defenseman, and would shine on a strong team where he doesn't need to be overused. Ribeiro and Rivet by a mile. Ribeiro is on a short leash and needs to prove last season was no fluke. Rivet a #4 d-man? Are they that difficult to find? Richards, last season's Conn Smythe trophy winner, has out-performed Lecavalier over the course of their careers in both the regular season and in the playoffs. If you'd be willing to take Ribeiro and Rivet off my hands and give me Richards in exchange, consider it a done deal—I'll throw in a sack of pucks, gratis. I really like Ribs, but if we were offered Richards I'd have to think about it for several nanoseconds. Rivet can be thrown in anytime. Ribeiro is on the rise and our leading scorer. He will get better, but Richards is already better with a higher potential. It's a no brainer, meaning even I can figure it out! |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Sept 29, 2005 11:31:14 GMT -5
...In a salary dump trade (the only reason I can possibly think that TB would trade Richards) you don't get equal value back because what you seek is to, well, decrease salary. No one in their right mind thinks Lamoriello is dumb but he traded Friesen for a conditional pick to a division rival...
Everybody, who can afford to, would take Richards over Ribs and Rivet and the same can be said about Koivu and Hainsey, Koivu and Komi, etc... Going along with that rather out-of-whack rumor, I just felt that Tampa would be looking at a mix of High quality youngster + somwhat established veteran, in a low price tag. Just playing along here fellas, don't anyone get their short in a bunch over this...
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