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Post by Yeti on Nov 30, 2005 21:48:27 GMT -5
I know this is not habs related but this is big!! Thornton to SJ for Stuart, Primeau and Sturm www.sportsnet.ca |
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Post by MC Habber on Nov 30, 2005 21:58:44 GMT -5
This is Habs related because the Bruins are in our division. This leaves a big hole in their lineup, but I assume they save cap room.
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Post by MC Habber on Nov 30, 2005 22:02:21 GMT -5
Not as much cap room as I thought:
TSN.ca Staff
11/30/2005 9:57:53 PM
The Boston Bruins have traded Joe Thornton to the San Jose Sharks in exchange for forwards Marco Sturm and Wayne Primeau as well as defenceman Brad Stuart.
The Bruins are currently last in the Northeast Division with a record of 8-13-5. However, Thornton has managed to score nine goals and 33 points.
The Sharks have also been disappointing this season, sitting last in the Pacific Division with a record of 8-11-4.
Prior to the season, Thornton was a restrcited free agent and signed a 3-year, $20 million deal with the Bruins and is scheduled to make $6.66 million this season.
Sturm is making $2 million this season, Stuart $1.9 million and Primeau $1.1 million.
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Post by Cranky on Nov 30, 2005 22:05:47 GMT -5
The Bruins area better team now but I am glad to see Thornton leave our division.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 30, 2005 22:07:50 GMT -5
Wow... The first thing that strikes me is what little return they get... 1 top 4 dmen, one 4th liner and a somewhat offensive winger that struggles to reach 20 goals and 40 points... In exchange of a franchise forward...  |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 30, 2005 22:09:15 GMT -5
Wow... The first thing that strikes me is what little return they get... 1 top 4 dmen, one 4th liner and a somewhat offensive winger that struggles to reach 20 goals and 40 points... In exchange of a franchise forward... I wonder what it would take to see him in a Hab's uniform? Ryder, Perez and Komo or sure. |
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 30, 2005 22:09:35 GMT -5
I posted this in Trades and Trade Rumours 14 seconds after this one.
Feel free to remove it, as I didn't look here first.
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Post by Cranky on Nov 30, 2005 22:11:48 GMT -5
I posted this in Trades and Trade Rumours 14 seconds after this one. Feel free to remove it, as I didn't look here first. 14 seconds? FOURTENN SECONDS? Do you realize an nuclear bomb only takes one-thousands of a second to explode and a Leaf fan only 2 seconds to plan a Stanley Mug parade? |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 30, 2005 22:12:42 GMT -5
I posted this in Trades and Trade Rumours 14 seconds after this one. Feel free to remove it, as I didn't look here first. This trade being a blockbuster, we're gonna leave it on the main board for a bit. |
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Post by MC Habber on Nov 30, 2005 22:15:21 GMT -5
Wow... The first thing that strikes me is what little return they get... 1 top 4 dmen, one 4th liner and a somewhat offensive winger that struggles to reach 20 goals and 40 points... In exchange of a franchise forward... I wonder what it would take to see him in a Hab's uniform? Ryder, Perez and Komo or sure. How about Ryder, Bonk, and Rivet? We'd need to pick up another defenseman somewhere though, and we probably don't have cap room. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 30, 2005 22:17:54 GMT -5
Wow... The first thing that strikes me is what little return they get... 1 top 4 dmen, one 4th liner and a somewhat offensive winger that struggles to reach 20 goals and 40 points... In exchange of a franchise forward... I wonder what it would take to see him in a Hab's uniform? Ryder, Perez and Komo or sure. ...how about Koivu, Souray and Bulis... |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 30, 2005 22:20:58 GMT -5
I wonder what it would take to see him in a Hab's uniform? Ryder, Perez and Komo or sure. ...how about Koivu, Souray and Bulis... Bulis and Souray are replaceble but Koivu.....OUCH. There is also the issue of cap room. He takes a chunk of that. Would you take him over The Prince? I would. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 30, 2005 22:21:55 GMT -5
I wonder what it would take to see him in a Hab's uniform? Ryder, Perez and Komo or sure. How about Ryder, Bonk, and Rivet? We'd need to pick up another defenseman somewhere though, and we probably don't have cap room. Not enough. Bonk is not worth much right now. If anything, he is a trading liability because of his salary. |
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Post by MC Habber on Nov 30, 2005 22:22:32 GMT -5
SJ didn't give up anyone comparable to Koivu.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 30, 2005 22:27:02 GMT -5
Thornton prophesied from the Alps during the lockout that he would never again play for the Bruins. God had a bit of a backlog so Joe signed anyway ($6.66M for this season—one would expect to see him on the Devils at that figure).
But now that the Big Guy has cleared his inbox...
The Bruins dump the manchild and shave $1.66M off the payroll. That Jeremy Jacobs, a founding father of "cost-certainty", sure has a knack for pleasing the fans of his hockey team. It's a God given gift.
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Post by SchoonerGuy on Nov 30, 2005 22:30:17 GMT -5
Unbelievable!!! I was ticked off about losing Hainsey yesterday but I sure am glad I'm not a Bruins fan!! There's no way they're a better team after this trade.
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Post by MC Habber on Nov 30, 2005 22:30:40 GMT -5
How about Ryder, Bonk, and Rivet? We'd need to pick up another defenseman somewhere though, and we probably don't have cap room. Not enough. Bonk is not worth much right now. If anything, he is a trading liability because of his salary. Ryder, Rivet and Bonk got 119 points last year compared to 109 for the 3 SJ players, but you're right about their salaries - they're about $1 million more expensive in total, and a year older on average. Still, I don't think we'd have had to give up Koivu, if not for the fact that we're in Boston's division. |
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Post by Forum Ghost on Nov 30, 2005 22:31:42 GMT -5
What a dumb trade by the Bruins.
You'd think that they could've atleast gotten Marleau in return. Marleau's not as good as Thornton, but then again, neither is Wayne Primeau or Marco Sturm.
I can't imagine the panic and anger going through the heads of Bruins' fans after this deal.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Nov 30, 2005 22:33:29 GMT -5
The Bruins area better team now but I am glad to see Thornton leave our division. They just lost their franchise forward in return for a third liner, an iffy first liner and a top four defenceman. How are the Bruins a better team now? |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 30, 2005 22:34:29 GMT -5
...how about Koivu, Souray and Bulis... Bulis and Souray are replaceble but Koivu.....OUCH. There is also the issue of cap room. He takes a chunk of that. Would you take him over The Prince? I would. Thornton gets the number 1 center spot over Koivu hands down... I wouldn't even think twice. The Prince?! Pffffffft! Lecavalier would rather have a second line spot, in a non-hockey city where nobody recognizes him, playing for a coach that treats him like dirt instead of coming to the hockey Meca of the world and become an ICON. Spineless, ballsless. Gimme Thornton over Vinny for sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2005 22:38:12 GMT -5
Thornton wanted this trade. Maybe not to another struglging team, but he wanted out. He was getting a lot of heat in Boston.
Sturm is a 20 goal scorer.
Primeau is a grinder.
Stuart is a decent d-man.
I would asked for Marleau instead of Primeau, but then the deal probably wouldn't have been done.
I like Stuart and I like Sturm, but...Bruins fans have got to be totally PISSED right now.
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Post by Cranky on Nov 30, 2005 22:42:15 GMT -5
The Bruins area better team now but I am glad to see Thornton leave our division. They just lost their franchise forward in return for a third liner, an iffy first liner and a top four defenceman. How are the Bruins a better team now? Lately, Thornton was not the Thorny we FEAR. He became a "points accumulator" rather then a force on his team. He was ammasing points while the Bruins were falling to oblivion. That is why Boston is better off. On the other hand, the thorny Thornton can dominate like almost no other player in the NHL. He reminds me of Lindros and his attitude. |
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Post by Andrew on Nov 30, 2005 22:43:58 GMT -5
Just a terrible Houle-esque panic button move. I feel sorry for B's fans - this one will hurt for a long time. Elite top line talents don't come around very often. You have to get a player of equal value back.
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Post by Cranky on Nov 30, 2005 22:45:49 GMT -5
Thornton wanted this trade. Maybe not to another struglging team, but he wanted out. He was getting a lot of heat in Boston. Sturm is a 20 goal scorer. Primeau is a grinder. Stuart is a decent d-man. I would asked for Marleau instead of Primeau, but then the deal probably wouldn't have been done. I like Stuart and I like Sturm, but...Bruins fans have got to be totally PISSED right now. I am trying to get on one of their major boards and it's so busy, it's like a DNS attack.....  Yup, makes the Hainsey stupidity look insignificant....  |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 30, 2005 22:48:34 GMT -5
Just a terrible Houle-esque panic button move. yep. This reminds me a lot of the Roy deal. Bruins may have years of mediocrity ahead of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2005 22:49:11 GMT -5
They just lost their franchise forward in return for a third liner, an iffy first liner and a top four defenceman. How are the Bruins a better team now? He reminds me of Lindros and his attitude. Thornton keeps his head up. Thornton wanted this trade. Maybe not to another struglging team, but he wanted out. He was getting a lot of heat in Boston. Sturm is a 20 goal scorer. Primeau is a grinder. Stuart is a decent d-man. I would asked for Marleau instead of Primeau, but then the deal probably wouldn't have been done. I like Stuart and I like Sturm, but...Bruins fans have got to be totally PISSED right now. I am trying to get on one of their major boards and it's so busy, it's like a DNS attack..... Yup, makes the Hainsey stupidity look insignificant.... Just when Boston was going to be one of those "up and coming teams". Oh well. It's not like they were going to beat us in the playoffs this year, anyway.  |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 30, 2005 22:49:51 GMT -5
Wow, those remaining games against the B's don't look so bad at all. I always worried about a healthy Big Joe, but now we might see him once a year it would appear.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 30, 2005 22:50:13 GMT -5
The Bruins did NOT improve.
Can't wipe the smile off my face.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2005 22:55:08 GMT -5
The Bruins did NOT improve. Can't wipe the smile off my face. The only thing that could top this is a wet T-shirt party. |
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Post by MC Habber on Nov 30, 2005 22:58:44 GMT -5
The Bruins did NOT improve. Can't wipe the smile off my face. I will miss those close playoff battles. |
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