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Post by Yeti on Jan 7, 2006 9:26:54 GMT -5
1) Old reports from the Denver Post that Lacroix might be interested in trading for Theodore. 2) Statement on Team 990 yesterday that Jose has a no trade clause. 3) Garrioch jumping in the mix ( :  today mentioning item no 1 (Avs) and adding that the Canucks might be interested as well. ottsun.canoe.ca/Sports/Hockey/2006/01/07/1382639-sun.htmlSitting Jose today is certainly generating discussions around the league. |
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Post by MTLMan on Jan 7, 2006 9:33:57 GMT -5
From Spectators spectorshockey.tripod.com/default.htmlHABS SHOPPING THEODORE? SLAM! HOCKEY/CP: reports that word of Montreal Canadiens goalie Jose Theodore sitting out today's game against the Ottawa Senators has given rise to rampant speculation he's going to be traded amid rumours that GM Bob Gainey may be about to swing a trade. There's been rumours for weeks now of the Colorado Avalanche dealing for Theodore, but now comes a rumour the Vancouver Canucks could make an offer, with Gainey asking for Todd Bertuzzi in return. Spector's Note: Theodore's sitting because head coach Claude Julien is trying to shake up his moribund roster. Theodore's played poorly over the past three games. As for the rumours, Gainey isn't about to trade Theodore unless he can get a goalie of equal or greater value, or a very promising young netminder, in return. as there's no one in Montreal's system ready this season to step up and replace Theodore. The Avs and Canucks have nothing in that department to offer. As for Bertuzzi, both he and Canucks GM Dave Nonis denied rumours he was on the move. Gainey may indeed make a trade soon if the Canadiens fail to snap out of its death spiral in the standings, but he won't be moving Theodore. |
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Post by Yeti on Jan 7, 2006 9:39:04 GMT -5
Well, someone could argue, me for example, that Danis or Huet are good enough to match Jose's level of play so far this season.
If you accept this argument, you have to wonder why a GM would want to trade for Theodore... Gainey could play the card that Theodore needs a change of scenary to regain his form of 3 seasons ago... which might be true. I have a feeling that Jose and Melancon have come to a dead end. Jose's technique is getting worse by the week.
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Post by jkr on Jan 7, 2006 9:58:49 GMT -5
I still think this is just reporters jumping to conclusions as they usually do - especially Garrioch. Gainey didn't trade Theodore when he had Garon. Why would he do it now when the alternative is Huet or Denis?
I just can't see Bertuzzi in Montreal - the media scrutiny in Montreal is so intense that I think he would refuse to go there. And right now he is only at 12 goals and is a -7. His game is not where it was just a couple of years ago.
And if Vancouver or Colorado are looking for available goalies they should call Buffalo. They have 3 guys that can play in the NHL.
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Post by nivram on Jan 7, 2006 11:16:02 GMT -5
For the zillionth time, you can't trade Theodore without getting a NHL level goalie in return.
Marvin
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Post by PTH on Jan 7, 2006 13:00:33 GMT -5
For the zillionth time, you can't trade Theodore without getting a NHL level goalie in return. Marvin I gotta agree. Even back when we had Garon, getting a platoon-level goalie along with Theo was a prerequisite to any kind of a trade. I wonder how an Aebisher/Huet tandem would do... |
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Post by Yeti on Jan 8, 2006 8:45:20 GMT -5
Garrioch at it again: ottsun.canoe.ca/Sports/Senators/2006/01/08/1383974-sun.htmlRUMOURS DU JOUR: There's plenty of talk about a major shakeup in Montreal. GM Bob Gainey is willing to trade just about anybody, including C Mike Ribiero, D Craig Rivet, D Sheldon Souray and D Mike Komisarek. The Caps are interested in Ribiero. Rumours also continue to swirl around G Jose Theodore being moved. There have been whispers coach Claude Julien is on the hot seat, but the problems aren't behind the bench ... |
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Post by franko on Jan 8, 2006 9:23:09 GMT -5
There's plenty of talk about a major shakeup in Montreal. GM Bob Gainey is willing to trade just about anybody, including C Mike Ribiero, D Craig Rivet, D Sheldon Souray and D Mike Komisarek. The Caps are interested in Ribiero. "Just about anybody" . . . and then he mentions these guys as if they are untouchables? Puh-lease! Witt for Ribs, anyone (though I havent checked on contract status). |
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Post by jkr on Jan 8, 2006 10:12:53 GMT -5
There's plenty of talk about a major shakeup in Montreal. GM Bob Gainey is willing to trade just about anybody, including C Mike Ribiero, D Craig Rivet, D Sheldon Souray and D Mike Komisarek. The Caps are interested in Ribiero. "Just about anybody" . . . and then he mentions these guys as if they are untouchables? Puh-lease! Witt for Ribs, anyone (though I havent checked on contract status). Witt is making 1.6 but I don't know how many years he has left. franko - you live in Ottawa. How does a lazy hack like Garrioch continue to hold down a job? He writes a gossip column, not a hockey article. Doesn't say much for Sun newspapers with guys like Garrioch & Strachan on their staffs. |
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jan 8, 2006 14:18:11 GMT -5
I wonder how an Aebisher/Huet tandem would do... I wonder if Gainey could trade Theo for a star forward and/or defencemen and then swing a side deal with Minnesota for a guy like Roloson. IMO a Roloson/Huet tandem would be even better than Aebisher/Huet. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 8, 2006 15:07:24 GMT -5
I wonder how an Aebisher/Huet tandem would do... I wonder if Gainey could trade Theo for a star forward and/or defencemen and then swing a side deal with Minnesota for a guy like Roloson. IMO a Roloson/Huet tandem would be even better than Aebisher/Huet. Roloson is 36 and a UFA to be so he can probably be had for a decent price. He might be enough to tide a team over for a couple of seasons. |
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Post by franko on Jan 8, 2006 15:58:18 GMT -5
How does a lazy hack like Garrioch continue to hold down a job? Gotta be those pictures  Says all there is to say about the Sun chain. Garrioch has just enough hockey knowledge and is right just enough to keep his job. |
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Post by franko on Jan 8, 2006 16:05:51 GMT -5
RUMOURS DU JOUR: There's plenty of talk about a major shakeup in Montreal. GM Bob Gainey is willing to trade just about anybody, including C Mike Ribiero, D Craig Rivet, D Sheldon Souray and D Mike Komisarek. The Caps are interested in Ribiero. Rumours also continue to swirl around G Jose Theodore being moved. There have been whispers coach Claude Julien is on the hot seat, but the problems aren't behind the bench ... I like this: Gainey is one of the most patient GMs in the business. He's not going to make any panic deals so I doubt very much he's "willing to trade just about anybody". Rivet's been a workhorse for the Habs this season so I don't think he'll be moved. Souray's battled with off-ice marital problems but Gainey is known to stick with players who are having personal problems (remember members of Theodore's family getting busted for loansharking over two years ago?). Same goes for Komisarek, whose mother recently died from cancer. As for Ribeiro, he's the only one noted by Garrioch that I would believe could be shopped if he doesn't soon get his act together this season. There is a persistent rumour of the Capitals having interest in him but that remains to be seen.spector |
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Post by franko on Jan 8, 2006 16:08:01 GMT -5
I wonder how an Aebisher/Huet tandem would do... I wonder if Gainey could trade Theo for a star forward and/or defencemen and then swing a side deal with Minnesota for a guy like Roloson. IMO a Roloson/Huet tandem would be even better than Aebisher/Huet. How deep do we want to go into the playoffs? How far would Roloson take us? Having said that, how far is Theo going to take us the way he'd playing? Back to the Theo-Garon argument of a couple of years back: do we want someone to (possibly barely) hold the fort until something better (F-C- and G) comes along? |
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Post by cigarviper on Jan 13, 2006 13:01:02 GMT -5
With Luongo reportedly offered a contract to stay in Florida in the neighbourhood of 5 years for $30 million, one would see that as a rise in value for Theo as well, given their quality of play this season so far. Having said that, to not get at least a very high calibre 1st line player in return would seem to indicate a robbery had occured.
I'm sure Gainey has gone over the Thornton deal with a fine toothed comb and fears making the same mistake with Theo. Would he flourish in a different setting?
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Post by drkcloud on Jan 13, 2006 13:15:26 GMT -5
How deep do we want to go into the playoffs? How far would Roloson take us? Having said that, how far is Theo going to take us the way he'd playing?
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I wouldn't count on being in the playoffs at this point, in fact I would bet against it.
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Post by duster on Jan 13, 2006 16:35:53 GMT -5
With Luongo reportedly offered a contract to stay in Florida in the neighbourhood of 5 years for $30 million, one would see that as a rise in value for Theo as well, given their quality of play this season so far. Having said that, to not get at least a very high calibre 1st line player in return would seem to indicate a robbery had occured. I'm sure Gainey has gone over the Thornton deal with a fine toothed comb and fears making the same mistake with Theo. Would he flourish in a different setting? A cautionary tale which I'm certain Gainey has in mind if ever he considers a Theodore trade. A smart person learns from the mistakes of others and BG is no dummy. I'm convinced Theodore would flourish elsewhere. Put him on a superior team like Vancouver or Colorado and watch him raise his level of play. |
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Post by Habfaith on Jan 13, 2006 19:52:57 GMT -5
Witt for Ribs, anyone (though I havent checked on contract status). I was thinking this too, but Witt was complaining that he wanted to play for a contender. I'm afraid we don't qualify...  We really need some help on D. Especially if Souray is going to be down for a while. |
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Post by PTH on Jan 13, 2006 20:33:33 GMT -5
Witt for Ribs, anyone (though I havent checked on contract status). I was thinking this too, but Witt was complaining that he wanted to play for a contender. I'm afraid we don't qualify... We really need some help on D. Especially if Souray is going to be down for a while. Last I heard he's expecting to play Saturday. Even then, we play Komi and call up Côté and we're ok for a few games. |
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Post by Bob on Jan 14, 2006 9:53:59 GMT -5
According to Spectors, this might be the reason that Theodore is still with Montreal
Dominic" sends in the following on the Habs: "According to CHOI FM 98,1 in québec city, Gainey is unable to trade Theodore.
Sounds like there could be more than one person that is less than impressed with Theo's play and his contract.
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Post by HFTO on Jan 14, 2006 11:38:58 GMT -5
Pretty tough I'd say to get value for a number one goalie thats 35th in G.A.A. without getting fleeced.
If the rumours have any truth Bo would have to wait to see if Theo can turn it around ala Brodeur but then why trade him.
HFTO
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Post by Bob on Jan 14, 2006 11:46:04 GMT -5
If the rumours have any truth Bo would have to wait to see if Theo can turn it around ala Brodeur but then why trade him. HFTO And if he can't turn it around, the team is hung with a $4.5 million salary for a backup goaltender. |
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Post by HFTO on Jan 14, 2006 12:18:59 GMT -5
Yes!...... and in this salary cap world you can't make any mistakes,the pressure is a lot higher and the job is a lot tougher.
I don't envy Bob,especially in a market that was used to success and is starving for a quick fix to respectability.
HF TO
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 14, 2006 13:44:51 GMT -5
Put Claude Julien in nets and let the players shoot pucks at him. They've done everything else to abuse him.
Take a rest Claude and good luck with the rest of your career.
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Post by Yeti on Jan 15, 2006 8:13:06 GMT -5
From Garrioch, again. RUMOURS DU JOUR: After firing coach Claude Julien, is GM Bob Gainey working on a big one. The talk is the Habs are going to send G Jose Theodore to the Avs in a three-way deal that could include the Penguins. The word is that David Aebischer could land with Pittsburgh, while a No. 1 pick and another player could be dealt to the Habs. Sources say Gainey is also trying to create a market for D Mike Komisarek. The Red Wings want depth on the blueline and may be interested. It doesn't stop there ... the Habs are also believed to be talking to the Blackhawks about a dealing involving C Mike Ribiero for LW Kyle Calder ... Is Tampa GM Jay Feaster going to have to deal C Brad Richards? With the signings of C Vincent Lecavalier and RW Martin St. Louis in the off-season, there may not be room left for Richards. Sources say the Nashville Predators, who need help in the middle and consider themselves a Cup contender. Nashville has also let the Panthers know they wouldn't mind getting Olli Jokinen, who Florida is hoping to sign and keep ... Two names that are potential candidates for Isles GM spot: Vancouver's Steve Tambellini and NHL VP Colin Campbell ... The Senators checked the market for LW Vaclav Varada, but weren't able to find anybody with serious interest ... The Coyotes are trying to move underachieving C Petr Nedved, who has been a healthy scratch. There's talk the Rangers are interested because he might perform well with Jaromir Jagr ... There's talk the Flyers are either going to deal or waive D Chris Therien ... The No. 1 candidate to take over the Edmonton goaltending duties is Washington's Olaf Kolzig. GM George McPhee hasn't decided if he's going to trade Kolzig yet, but Oilers GM Kevin Lowe is anxiously waiting to find out ... The Panthers aren't happy with G Roberto Luongo after he thumbed his nose at a five-year, $30- million deal last week. "I don't want to spend another five years here watching the playoffs on television," said Luongo. But sources say the Panthers are going to wait until the summer to trade Luongo. The Canucks, Avs and Canadiens are all expected to make a pitch. www.ottawasun.com/Sports/Hockey/2006/01/15/1394561-sun.html |
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Post by franko on Jan 15, 2006 8:48:42 GMT -5
Garrioch is like Eklund: right just enough to justify his existence. Keep throwing them out, Brucie . . . you're bound to get one right. Thereby telling all that he is giving up on the season. We don't have the parts to win it all anyway (unless the fire he lights is really hot, but waving bye-bye to Theo (a year too late, imo) spells the end. Neither Huet nor Danis can carry us. I guess because we ar so deep there . . . Or for just about anyone? Though it looked lide a different Mikey out there last night (actually, I wondered who that teah was in red!). |
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Post by Yeti on Jan 15, 2006 8:52:59 GMT -5
Mybe Ribeiro will just be used as a PP specialist with the Habs. That's what happened yesterday. Fourth line and PP time.
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Post by jkr on Jan 15, 2006 9:42:17 GMT -5
I don't think Garrioch does any work. He does what we do, read the sources on the web & then he puts them in his "column" so that he looks connected.
He ignores facts like Dale Tallon saying he won't trade his young players. ANd that line about Lowe waiting to find out if Kolzig is available is pretty funny. Doesn't he think an interested GM would just call McPhee and ask?
And that three way deal - where did he dream that up and where is that 1st round pick that the Habs are supposed to get coming from? And why would the Pens want Aebischer when they have Fleury and who is going to play goal for the Habs?
This guy is a joke, a bigger joke than Strachan. They should put his work in the Entertainment section, not the Sports section.
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Post by Yeti on Jan 15, 2006 9:59:04 GMT -5
I think Garrioch is trying to connect the dots based on the fact that the Pens don't want to pay Fleury 3 millions in bonuses (which he will receive if he plays 25 NHL games this season). So I guess he's suggesting that Fleury would end up in Mtl.
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Post by jkr on Jan 15, 2006 10:33:45 GMT -5
I think Garrioch is trying the connecting the dots based on the fact that the Pens don't want to pay Fleury 3 millions in bonuses (which he will receive if he plays 25 NHL games this season). So I guess he's suggesting that Fleury would end up in Mtl. I'll give him credit for an active imagination - that's all. |
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today mentioning item no 1 (Avs) and adding that the Canucks might be interested as well. 
