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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 9, 2006 20:04:34 GMT -5
From some guy at SportsNET forum:
Now you all know im not the one for speculation, But i Just got home from the Manitoba Moose Vs. Hamilton Bulldogs game...Now it was well mentioned (on hockey day in canada) Habs GM. Gainey was going to fly in for the game tonight (in hamilton)...
Now my first suspiscions came when i got out of my car in the parking garage, and saw who i 95% sure was tambellini pull up behind me...And yes my suspiscions were confirmed pre-game when u know who popped on to the moose bench to talk with some of the guys, and yes he posed for a quick pic for me in the tunnel, so i do have pictorial evidence. This wasnt announced anywhere and was kept hush-hush by the nucks...
Now what was not seen was up in the pressbox. After hearing all the theodore/ribeiro canucks rumours, my suspiscions kicked in so i kept an eye on the pressboxes (both 2nd from the left/right), and lone-behold in the third period less then a mere minute apart, slick-back haired tambellini, and bauldy-gainey left their respective press boxes...
So in conclusion this message is to anyone who is shooting down habs/canucks rumours, as they ARE indeed in discussion, but people please just dont start pulling rumours outta your butt...Lets hear whats really being discuissed (i think some prospects from both teams WILL be involved)
If something is really brewing with the Nucks I believe it is centered around Theodore/Bertuzzi. 2 highly paid players, struggling in their respective role right now. Would even go as far as to say both guys probably could use a change of scenery right now.
Only BIG issue is that Bert is a UFA this summer. Trading Theodore for a few months of Bertuzzi seems like a hefty price.
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Post by HFTO on Jan 9, 2006 20:28:58 GMT -5
This is getting worse than the last trade deadline.
With the team struggling the fans are chomping at the bit for a miracle trade to save the team from another embarassing season with no post season play.
Unfortunately I seem to be one of them though I know realistically trades like that rearely if never happen.as much as I'd love to see some action to change the face and fortune of the team I just want them to win.
HFTO
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 9, 2006 20:50:55 GMT -5
This is getting worse than the last trade deadline. With the team struggling the fans are chomping at the bit for a miracle trade to save the team from another embarassing season with no post season play. Unfortunately I seem to be one of them though I know realistically trades like that rearely if never happen.as much as I'd love to see some action to change the face and fortune of the team I just want them to win. HFTO Since GMs can no longer throw any money they want at any UFA they want, they have to trade in order to patch their holes AND stay within the cap. I must say it makes things very interesting. This year I can think of at least 3 trades that involved some pretty big names: The Thornton one, The Fedorov one and the Heatly one. |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 9, 2006 20:53:34 GMT -5
I still think Bertuzzi would be a terrible fit in Montreal (for his reputation, contract status, and being overrated).
There aren't really any Canucks (that Vancouver would deem expendible) that I'd trade Theodore for. Salo and Cook would be nice additions - but not for Theo.
Since we're speculating, I'll throw out a wild prediciton. Perhaps Vancouver, Anaheim, and Montreal are planning a 3 way deal that would send (Bertuzzi + Auld) to Anaheim, (Theodore +) to Vancouver, and Giguere (plus something significant) to Montreal. Any Ducks out there that we could use?
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Post by MC Habber on Jan 9, 2006 21:13:55 GMT -5
I think Bertuzzi would radically change the makeup of our team for the better. Even when he isn't scoring, his physical presence creates opportunities for his linemates. If we could get him signed as part of the deal I think I would do it. The biggest problem is that he is a left-handed shot and plays the same side of the ice as Kovalev. Bertuzzi-Koivu-Kovalev could be dynamite and it would mean we'd finally have a real left-winger for the second line (Zednik or his counterpart in a trade).
I think the Canucks would be crazy to trade Bertuzzi for Theodore though, so I don't see this happening.
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Post by blny on Jan 9, 2006 21:46:29 GMT -5
I still think Bertuzzi would be a terrible fit in Montreal (for his reputation, contract status, and being overrated). There aren't really any Canucks (that Vancouver would deem expendible) that I'd trade Theodore for. Salo and Cook would be nice additions - but not for Theo. Since we're speculating, I'll throw out a wild prediciton. Perhaps Vancouver, Anaheim, and Montreal are planning a 3 way deal that would send (Bertuzzi + Auld) to Anaheim, (Theodore +) to Vancouver, and Giguere (plus something significant) to Montreal. Any Ducks out there that we could use? A five year younger Keith Carney. Bobby Ryan. Joffrey Lupul. |
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Post by duster on Jan 9, 2006 23:58:10 GMT -5
I just can't see BG trading his No1 goalie for a few weeks of Bertuzzi. This is not Balej we're talking about.
Did anyone see Gainey shake his head and smile afterwards?
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Post by MC Habber on Jan 10, 2006 0:19:04 GMT -5
I just can't see BG trading his No1 goalie for a few weeks of Bertuzzi. This is not Balej we're talking about. I sure hope not. If he could work out an agreement with Bertuzzi first then he might do it. |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 10, 2006 0:19:58 GMT -5
I can't think of a worse trade then Bertuzzi for Theo. We need to keep adding elements that support the team philosophy of quick, smart players that are defensivly responsible. We are NOT the Flyers.......
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Post by HFTO on Jan 10, 2006 0:33:55 GMT -5
You won't have to worry HA Darren Dreger of sportsnet had a talk with the Vancouver G.M. today and apparently according to him Theo isn't going anywhere period.
So obviously the talk between Montreal and Vancouver is of a lesser ilk should anything come to pass.
HFTO
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jan 10, 2006 1:42:39 GMT -5
You won't have to worry HA Darren Dreger of sportsnet had a talk with the Vancouver G.M. today and apparently according to him Theo isn't going anywhere period. So obviously the talk between Montreal and Vancouver is of a lesser ilk should anything come to pass. Don't know if we should read too much into comments like that HFTO. Even if Theo is on the trading block, do you think that Dave Nonis would go on TV and confirm it? It's like if someone asked Gainey if he's trying to land Bertuzzi. Even if he is, he's going to say "no" until the deal is made. He's not going to want to leak anything to the media. |
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Post by MC Habber on Jan 10, 2006 1:42:58 GMT -5
I can't think of a worse trade then Bertuzzi for Theo. We need to keep adding elements that support the team philosophy of quick, smart players that are defensivly responsible. We are NOT the Flyers....... We've been saying for years that we need a big power forward. In fact people have said we need a "Bertuzzi-type." He is big *and* fast. For all the talk about his playing poorly this year, he is on almost a point per game pace and has more goals than anyone on our team except Ryder. I don't place much stock in +/-, but while he is -10 this season, he was +44 over the previous 3 seasons (+21, +2, +21). You might not like his personality but I think he would be a force for us like he has been for Vancouver. He would instantly add offense, toughness, grit and leadership while taking some of the pressure off of Koivu and Kovalev. Actually, even if he never scored a goal, the amount of abuse that he takes is worth quite a bit. If he and Koivu found chemistry anything like he has with Naslund he would be even more valuable to us than he is to Vancouver because he is exactly what we need. How can people drool all over Latendresse and then crap on Bertuzzi? If I had a dollar for every time I've seen Lats comparted to Bert on this board.... |
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 10, 2006 9:07:34 GMT -5
You won't have to worry HA Darren Dreger of sportsnet had a talk with the Vancouver G.M. today and apparently according to him Theo isn't going anywhere period. So obviously the talk between Montreal and Vancouver is of a lesser ilk should anything come to pass. Don't know if we should read too much into comments like that HFTO. Even if Theo is on the trading block, do you think that Dave Nonis would go on TV and confirm it? It's like if someone asked Gainey if he's trying to land Bertuzzi. Even if he is, he's going to say "no" until the deal is made. He's not going to want to leak anything to the media. I am not saying that I believe that Bert/Theo trade can happen, cause I kinda/sorta doubt it. However, I do agree with FG...any GM that wants to deal with BG will have to be quiet. I would suspect that it's a BG requirement that nothing get leaked. Whatever BG will do, we will be the last to hear about it. That's just the way he works. THF |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 10, 2006 13:07:56 GMT -5
I can't think of a worse trade then Bertuzzi for Theo. We need to keep adding elements that support the team philosophy of quick, smart players that are defensivly responsible. We are NOT the Flyers....... We've been saying for years that we need a big power forward. In fact people have said we need a "Bertuzzi-type." He is big *and* fast. For all the talk about his playing poorly this year, he is on almost a point per game pace and has more goals than anyone on our team except Ryder. I don't place much stock in +/-, but while he is -10 this season, he was +44 over the previous 3 seasons (+21, +2, +21). You might not like his personality but I think he would be a force for us like he has been for Vancouver. He would instantly add offense, toughness, grit and leadership while taking some of the pressure off of Koivu and Kovalev. I think he's a bum. His stats are un-impressive for a power forward. He turns 31 in Feb, and only has one 40+ goal season, and one 30+ goal season. Other than those he's only eclipsed 20 goals twice, and has 12 so far this year. Much of his success can be attributed to Naslund IMO. I see quite a few Vancouver games, and he takes plenty of nights off. It's great when he decides to show up against St. Louis and pot a couple, but is far from the impact player that we need. He also takes bad penalties (lots of them), and would be absolutely villified by the Montreal media and fans. |
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 10, 2006 15:02:15 GMT -5
I can't think of a worse trade then Bertuzzi for Theo. How about trading Theo for the rights to Patrick Traverse? THF |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 10, 2006 17:49:38 GMT -5
Don't know if we should read too much into comments like that HFTO. Even if Theo is on the trading block, do you think that Dave Nonis would go on TV and confirm it? It's like if someone asked Gainey if he's trying to land Bertuzzi. Even if he is, he's going to say "no" until the deal is made. He's not going to want to leak anything to the media. Whatever BG will do, we will be the last to hear about it. That's just the way he works. THF You think? LOL! It's easier to know what is going on in the CIA then in Gaineys office. Almost.... |
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Post by habmeister on Jan 10, 2006 17:57:28 GMT -5
We've been saying for years that we need a big power forward. In fact people have said we need a "Bertuzzi-type." He is big *and* fast. For all the talk about his playing poorly this year, he is on almost a point per game pace and has more goals than anyone on our team except Ryder. I don't place much stock in +/-, but while he is -10 this season, he was +44 over the previous 3 seasons (+21, +2, +21). You might not like his personality but I think he would be a force for us like he has been for Vancouver. He would instantly add offense, toughness, grit and leadership while taking some of the pressure off of Koivu and Kovalev. I think he's a bum. His stats are un-impressive for a power forward. He turns 31 in Feb, and only has one 40+ goal season, and one 30+ goal season. Other than those he's only eclipsed 20 goals twice, and has 12 so far this year. Much of his success can be attributed to Naslund IMO. I see quite a few Vancouver games, and he takes plenty of nights off. It's great when he decides to show up against St. Louis and pot a couple, but is far from the impact player that we need. He also takes bad penalties (lots of them), and would be absolutely villified by the Montreal media and fans. First of all let me say that i live in vancouver, habs are my #1 team obviously, followed by #2 team canucks, then the #3 team whoever is playing against the leafs. Tonight i get to see the #2 and #3 team play together against the leafs. Regardless i see bertuzzi and theodore play every game. I would love this trade for the habs assuming that theodore continues on his path, if he turns it around then at least i get to see him carry the canucks to the cup. I don't think bert would survive in montreal, he hates the media and it would be akin to a pirahna (sp?) being thrown into a shark tank. Having said all of that, i think that the most important thing in the new nhl is value for your money. bertuzzi is way more value at this point. theodore could play a lot better out of the fish bowl that is playing for the habs. Now there is the other gm in the league who loves bertuzzi and that is mike keenan. How about a three way deal between these three teams? Luongo to montreal, bertuzzi to florida, theodore to vancouver. |
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Post by MC Habber on Jan 10, 2006 20:44:17 GMT -5
Now there is the other gm in the league who loves bertuzzi and that is mike keenan. How about a three way deal between these three teams? Luongo to montreal, bertuzzi to florida, theodore to vancouver. Why would Vancouver want Theodore over Luongo? |
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Post by MC Habber on Jan 10, 2006 20:45:55 GMT -5
I see a lot of Vancouver games too. Unlike somebody like Ribeiro, Bertuzzi is still valuable when he isn't producing. I think he'll be dominant at the olympics.
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Post by sergejean on Jan 10, 2006 21:45:17 GMT -5
Now there is the other gm in the league who loves bertuzzi and that is mike keenan. How about a three way deal between these three teams? Luongo to montreal, bertuzzi to florida, theodore to vancouver. Why would Vancouver want Theodore over Luongo? To have a proven goalie locked up 3 years instead of going through a bidding war to acquire Luongo. |
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 11, 2006 9:13:17 GMT -5
Even more fuel for ya.... THE LATEST ON THE CANADIENS. MONTREAL GAZETTE: Herb Zurkowsky reports Canadiens GM Bob Gainey has accompanied his club to Denver for tonight's game against the Colorado Avalanche, and brought along "Julien Brisebois, the director of hockey operations and legal affairs. Brisebois oversees contracts and is the team's salary-cap expert." While Jose Theodore has been the subject of trade rumours, Zurkowsky notes he won't be playing against the Avs tonight, but centre Mike Ribeiro, who has also been mentioned in the rumour mill, will play tonight on Alex Kovalev's line. Spector's Note: Something may indeed be brewing here. It's one thing for Gainey to accompany his team but another for him to bring his salary cap expert along. I still don't believe Gainey will move Theodore unless he can get a good goalie in return, and think Ribeiro might be the most likely to get peddled. Time will tell but it seems at this point Gainey may be on the verge of pulling the trigger. www.spectorshockey.net/THF |
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Post by BadCompany on Jan 11, 2006 10:35:10 GMT -5
George Gillett is also based in Denver. He may have called Gainey and Julien in to explain why they are paying big money for two players to play in Hamilton, and a third to play in Columbus. Course, there is a lot of smoke these days... I am not saying that I believe that Bert/Theo trade can happen, cause I kinda/sorta doubt it. However, I do agree with FG...any GM that wants to deal with BG will have to be quiet. I would suspect that it's a BG requirement that nothing get leaked. Whatever BG will do, we will be the last to hear about it. That's just the way he works. THF Am I the only one who thinks Gainey doesn’t play anything close to the vest, and he pretty much tells us way in advance what he is going to do? * He says we need to get bigger and tougher up front, and then brings in Begin and Langdon. * He says we need to add size to the forward corps, and then he brings in Kovalev. * He says we need a right-shooting center who is good on face-offs, and then he brings in Dowd. I mean geez, a right-shooting center who is good on face-offs?? Stop being so vague Bob! * He says we need to get bigger down the middle, and then he brings in Bonk. * He names Cary Price, completely out of the blue, as one of the guys they would like to draft. * He says he wants to get a top flight winger to play with Koivu and Ribeiro, and a right defenseman to replace Brisebois, and then he signs a top flight winger to play with a Koivu, and signs a right-shooting defenseman to replace Brisebois. He seems pretty transparent to me… All you have to do is listen... |
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 11, 2006 11:02:12 GMT -5
George Gillett is also based in Denver. He may have called Gainey and Julien in to explain why they are paying big money for two players to play in Hamilton, and a third to play in Columbus. Course, there is a lot of smoke these days... I am not saying that I believe that Bert/Theo trade can happen, cause I kinda/sorta doubt it. However, I do agree with FG...any GM that wants to deal with BG will have to be quiet. I would suspect that it's a BG requirement that nothing get leaked. Whatever BG will do, we will be the last to hear about it. That's just the way he works. THF Am I the only one who thinks Gainey doesn’t play anything close to the vest, and he pretty much tells us way in advance what he is going to do? * He says we need to get bigger and tougher up front, and then brings in Begin and Langdon. * He says we need to add size to the forward corps, and then he brings in Kovalev. * He says we need a right-shooting center who is good on face-offs, and then he brings in Dowd. I mean geez, a right-shooting center who is good on face-offs?? Stop being so vague Bob! * He says we need to get bigger down the middle, and then he brings in Bonk. * He names Cary Price, completely out of the blue, as one of the guys they would like to draft. * He says he wants to get a top flight winger to play with Koivu and Ribeiro, and a right defenseman to replace Brisebois, and then he signs a top flight winger to play with a Koivu, and signs a right-shooting defenseman to replace Brisebois. He seems pretty transparent to me… All you have to do is listen... Good point BC... I agree that what he wants to do is often apparent ... However, who he gets to fill those holes is what we are always in the dark about. Who could've predicted Kovalev showing up on our doorstep? We know what he needs or wants, but he always surprises us with what he ends up with. In a way, I love that about him. Can't wait for the next surprise. THF |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 11, 2006 12:36:27 GMT -5
He seems pretty transparent to me… All you have to do is listen... ..thing is.. *cricket*
*cricket*...he doesn't speak these days. At all... Nothing. |
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Post by Habit on Jan 11, 2006 12:45:01 GMT -5
On the Team 990 they are reporting that BG took Julien Brisebois (his director of Hockey Operations and "Cap-ologist") with him to Colorado for a meeting with Uncle George. Could this mean something? A big trade? Probably not...
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 11, 2006 12:54:09 GMT -5
On the Team 990 they are reporting that BG took Julien Brisebois (his director of Hockey Operations and "Cap-ologist") with him to Colorado for a meeting with Uncle George. Could this mean something? A big trade? Probably not... While it may not mean anything imminent, it certainly is a strong indication that Gainey wants to see what his wiggle room is both in terms of CAP and Budget. ...on a much simpler matter, it could also mean that Bob is simply starting to prepare his offer to Saku Koivu. |
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Post by Polarice on Jan 11, 2006 13:27:14 GMT -5
On the Team 990 they are reporting that BG took Julien Brisebois (his director of Hockey Operations and "Cap-ologist") with him to Colorado for a meeting with Uncle George. Could this mean something? A big trade? Probably not... Really, How many teams brings their Cap-ologist with them on a Road trip? Unless, they are planning to make a move and want him there to make sure they don't mess up their cap. And to add fuel to the fire...Theo not playing tonight!! |
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Post by Neo on Jan 11, 2006 13:47:18 GMT -5
Apparently Pierre Lacroix was supposed to give interview with the Team990 this afternoon but cancelled at the last minute. Does this mean anything?!?!
.....Probably not.
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Post by clear observer on Jan 11, 2006 15:56:25 GMT -5
Course, there is a lot of smoke these days... All you have to do is listen... Not according to the Everly Bros. CO |
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 11, 2006 16:00:52 GMT -5
Course, there is a lot of smoke these days... All you have to do is listen... Not according to the Everly Bros. CO dre-e-e-e -eam, dream, dream, dre-eam, dre-e-e-e-eam....... THF |
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