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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 16, 2007 10:49:31 GMT -5
...has Koivu/Markov heading to Minny for Bouchard/Pouliot.
also McKenzie says that Gainey is trying to complete a trade that will touch the core of the team.
I will be moving this thread to the trade rumors board later on
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Post by LoupDogg on Feb 16, 2007 10:51:59 GMT -5
I really would not like Koivu or Markov to leave Montreal, but at the stage we're at, I'd still say "whatever's needed. Do something".
And the core of the team will have to be touched in one way or the other, because it's what does not work at the moment. Our peripheral players (3rd and 4th line, 5th and 6th defensmen) are not really the big issue, are they?
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Post by HFTO on Feb 16, 2007 10:53:53 GMT -5
With Rumours of Mikko coming here I wondered if maybe Saku would actually being the one to move to Minny with his little bros.
Then again chances are nothing is going to happen.The Habbys will stand pat and pick and choose who to sign and who to let go.
HFTO
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Post by Marvin on Feb 16, 2007 10:56:46 GMT -5
The chances of this happening are remote and none.
Marv
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Post by Cranky on Feb 16, 2007 10:59:14 GMT -5
If Gainey trades Koivu, he might as well move TinMan. I don't know about you guys but I will simply go nuts if TinMan is the face the Hab's.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2007 10:59:51 GMT -5
Well, if the past is any indication, Gainey seems to pull a surprising trade. I don't think anybody expected the Abby for Theo deal last year, or the Kovalev trade a few years before that.
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Post by Polarice on Feb 16, 2007 11:07:47 GMT -5
As much as I love Saku, I'd take this deal in a heartbeat. Two Blue chip prospects for what really amounts to for Saku.
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Post by Douper on Feb 16, 2007 11:10:29 GMT -5
That's basically saying: "We are done this season"
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Post by Polarice on Feb 16, 2007 11:12:48 GMT -5
That's basically saying: "We are done this season" Not at all Bouchard has as many points as Saku. |
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 16, 2007 11:20:02 GMT -5
If Gainey trades Koivu, he might as well move TinMan. I don't know about you guys but I will simply go nuts if TinMan is the face the Hab's. Who's TinMan anyway.....I know he played in the Wizard of Oz...but....I suspect you are talking about a different one..... I suspect Kovalev ? |
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Post by Douper on Feb 16, 2007 11:22:02 GMT -5
After looking at it... DO IT
Bouchard might not be the "Leader" saku is and Markov is our best Dman but I think a lot of guys here would have picked Pouliot ahead of PRice in 05 so having 2 Top 10 guys in that draft would be nice. He's big and has skill
From Hockeyfutures.com
History
This gifted scorer has burst onto the OHL scene a virtual unknown and has had a great rookie season, which should result in him being a top 10 NHL pick. He played for Team Ontario in the 2004 Canada-Russia challenge series. He played in the 2005 CHL top prospects game.
Talent Analysis
Pouliot is a wizard with the puck and can put up great numbers.
Future
Has the potential to play on the top lines.
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 16, 2007 11:22:15 GMT -5
Could it be that Gainey is going the "French Canadian way" In hope there is "some" pride left somewhere for the CH ?
Sorry, couldn't resist.... ;D
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Post by Boston_Habs on Feb 16, 2007 11:24:40 GMT -5
Tempting but only if Saku wants to be traded. I hope Gainey has had a long heart-to-heart with Koivu to see if this will make him happy. He deserves that much although I'm sure he would like to play with his brother in a real hockey town.
The Markov piece is troubling. We might as well ship them Souray. If we ship out Markov and then lose Souray and Rivet to UFA then our blueline is a mess. Between Markov and Souray i think we all agree Markov has the better all around game and we stand the best chance of keeping him.
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 16, 2007 11:28:15 GMT -5
Tempting but only if Saku wants to be traded. I hope Gainey has had a long heart-to-heart with Koivu to see if this will make him happy. He deserves that much although I'm sure he would like to play with his brother in a real hockey town. The Markov piece is troubling. We might as well ship them Souray. If we ship out Markov and then lose Souray and Rivet to UFA then our blueline is a mess. Between Markov and Souray i think we all agree Markov has the better all around game and we stand the best chance of keeping him. Maybe the signing of Souray to a contract extension would be part of the announcement..... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 16, 2007 11:29:10 GMT -5
...has Koivu/Markov heading to Minny for Bouchard/Pouliot. also McKenzie says that Gainey is trying to complete a trade that will touch the core of the team. I will be moving this thread to the trade rumors board later onThanks Doc. McKenzie doesn't offer too much in the way of rumours and when he does, he's usually pretty informed. The one trade I remember McKenzie calling and say, "shouldn't be a surprise if it comes around" was the Turgeon/Malakhov for Schneider/Muller deal. Having siad that, for all we know maybe Koivu approached Gainey saying, "... Bob, as much as my heart is in Montreal ..." All this could be smoke. But, like I was saying McKenzie doesn't make up things a la Bruce Garrioch or Al Strachen. And if Markov is in the mix then Gainey has to be considering cap savings. Savings that he might use to sign Souray. And if this deal goes through, who else but Souray will be wearing the "C". We may never know what transpired over the last little while. Souray beating up on Kovalev ... Kovalev going away to sulk ... could be just irresponsible reporting in the same vien as Souray's marital breakup last year. However, coming full circle I think the Wild will be an excellent team if the deal goes through. Their players already buy into Coco Lemaire's system. And he's one of the most respected coaches out there. Koivu and Markov have many years of hockey still in them and they would learn a great deal from this tutor. Let's wait and see what happens first. It may not even end up being the Wild for all we know. But, knowing McKenzie ... Cheers. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Feb 16, 2007 11:29:54 GMT -5
Tempting but only if Saku wants to be traded. I hope Gainey has had a long heart-to-heart with Koivu to see if this will make him happy. He deserves that much although I'm sure he would like to play with his brother in a real hockey town. The Markov piece is troubling. We might as well ship them Souray. If we ship out Markov and then lose Souray and Rivet to UFA then our blueline is a mess. Between Markov and Souray i think we all agree Markov has the better all around game and we stand the best chance of keeping him. Maybe the signing of Souray to a contract extension would be part of the announcement..... UGH! Sheldon's got the flashy numbers but I'd rather have Markov. Minnesota must feel the same way. |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 16, 2007 11:31:17 GMT -5
If Gainey trades Koivu, he might as well move TinMan. I don't know about you guys but I will simply go nuts if TinMan is the face the Hab's. Who's TinMan anyway.....I know he played in the Wizard of Oz...but....I suspect you are talking about a different one..... I suspect Kovalev ? Who talks up a storm but doesn't have the heart to go with the talent? |
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 16, 2007 11:31:50 GMT -5
...has Koivu/Markov heading to Minny for Bouchard/Pouliot. also McKenzie says that Gainey is trying to complete a trade that will touch the core of the team. I will be moving this thread to the trade rumors board later onCan't seem to find this rumor anywhere... |
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Post by blny on Feb 16, 2007 11:32:19 GMT -5
Interesting rumour. If it happens, does that mean that Gainey has chosen Souray over Markov, or will Shelly be gone at years end too?
In many respects it's a salary dump. PM Bouchard is talented, but not yet put it all together IMO. He's not a prospect at this point either, with as many NHL games under his belt as he has. I thought Pouliot was a center, but HF says he's a LW.
Does Minny do this deal? Not sure. They're in the 8th spot right now. That could theoretically make them buyers.
I don't have a problem touching the core of this team. The basic core has gone unchanged for a long time, and we haven't got success to show for it. If it's time to admit defeat and move on, fine. For what it's worth I don't think we really ever went into a full rebuild mode. IMO that means selling off every meaningful asset for youth and getting top 3 picks for 5 years. We've never done that. I'm not suggesting we start either. I think if we are smart and deal off vets in good trades we will have the money to replace them with players management wants.
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 16, 2007 11:33:41 GMT -5
...has Koivu/Markov heading to Minny for Bouchard/Pouliot. also McKenzie says that Gainey is trying to complete a trade that will touch the core of the team. I will be moving this thread to the trade rumors board later onCan't seem to find this rumor anywhere... Nevermind, found it..... |
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Post by Marvin on Feb 16, 2007 11:34:29 GMT -5
Can someone post the link to Mackenzie on TSN where this rumor can be found?
Marv
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Post by Cranky on Feb 16, 2007 11:39:22 GMT -5
Maybe the signing of Souray to a contract extension would be part of the announcement..... UGH! Sheldon's got the flashy numbers but I'd rather have Markov. Minnesota must feel the same way. Markov may have more talent but he hasn't shown it consistently. Souray may have great offensive ability but he sucks as a defenseman. In the end they balance out. |
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Post by Gogie on Feb 16, 2007 11:40:21 GMT -5
UGH! Sheldon's got the flashy numbers but I'd rather have Markov. Minnesota must feel the same way. Markov may have more talent but he hasn't shown it consistently. Souray may have great offensive ability but he sucks as a defenseman. In the end they balance out. So keep them both or get rid of them both. ;D |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 16, 2007 11:47:40 GMT -5
Markov may have more talent but he hasn't shown it consistently. Souray may have great offensive ability but he sucks as a defenseman. In the end they balance out. So keep them both or get rid of them both. ;D LOL! If we had youngsters to build on, I would do it. Anywho.....I was waiting all morning for a trade...pffft....time to head for work.  |
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Post by jkr on Feb 16, 2007 11:48:41 GMT -5
If Gainey trades Koivu, he might as well move TinMan. I don't know about you guys but I will simply go nuts if TinMan is the face the Hab's. Who's TinMan anyway.....I know he played in the Wizard of Oz...but....I suspect you are talking about a different one..... I suspect Kovalev ? the Tinman was a nickname that got put on Pierre Turgeon by a sportwriter (in Buffalo I think) who thought he had no heart for the playoffs. Kovalev, on the other hand, has 17 points in 17 PO games with Montreal. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 16, 2007 11:50:46 GMT -5
...has Koivu/Markov heading to Minny for Bouchard/Pouliot. also McKenzie says that Gainey is trying to complete a trade that will touch the core of the team. I will be moving this thread to the trade rumors board later onI'd like this rumor more if one of the players coming back was a D-man under contract for at least another year. |
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Post by Douper on Feb 16, 2007 12:05:13 GMT -5
Anyone have a link?
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 16, 2007 12:13:36 GMT -5
I think it's coming from another board...and the poster heard it on CKAC....(not sure if we can link another board) That's where I saw it anyway |
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Post by clear observer on Feb 16, 2007 12:35:36 GMT -5
...has Koivu/Markov heading to Minny for Bouchard/Pouliot. If the Habs make this deal AND keep Souray I'll be ill. |
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Post by insomnius on Feb 16, 2007 12:38:12 GMT -5
I agree with CO - there are some players you just don't trade.
Right now on the Habs I think Higgins and Markov are players like that...
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