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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Feb 17, 2007 15:19:26 GMT -5
It would help if Gainey signed Souray before dealing him. The market for impending UFAs ain't what it used to be—a look at the deals made recently (Balej for Kovalev, anyone?), especially this season, illustrate that. Unsigned, my guess is that Souray would fetch a prospect and one, maybe two picks.
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Post by PTH on Feb 17, 2007 16:02:50 GMT -5
...we could take back Bell I guess but with less than 30 games remaining cap is less and less an issue. Well, 3/8ths of 3.5 million is 1.31 million, which is more than twice the cap room we have - I have no idea how much room SJ has, but I think they'd need to make room for these guys. Besides, what's the downside to taking Malakhov ? His contract is over this season, and since he's not playing you don't even have to pay him. |
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Post by PTH on Feb 17, 2007 16:06:49 GMT -5
It would help if Gainey signed Souray before dealing him. The market for impending UFAs ain't what it used to be—a look at the deals made recently (Balej for Kovalev, anyone?), especially this season, illustrate that. Unsigned, my guess is that Souray would fetch a prospect and one, maybe two picks. Huh ? Forsberg goes for a good kid, a prospect picked in the first round, and a first round pick, and the market for rentals is going down ? Last season Witt fetched a 1st rounder, as did Roloson. The market for rentals is better than ever - renting players at the deadline is probably a requisite step these days if you're going to be a contender, and most teams still hope they're in the playoff hunt so the number of sellers is fairly low. --- As to signing Souray, signing players to then move them is a good way to make sure no one else signs with you. Players crave being free agents and getting to choose where they get to play, if Souray signs with the Habs it's because he wants to stay here. The exception would be the Pronger to EDM deal, in which Pronger's contract was required for the deal to work, but that's the kind of thing you work out during the summer when every unsigned player is a group II free agent and can talk to whoever he wants, not in the middle of the season... |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Feb 17, 2007 16:31:45 GMT -5
It would help if Gainey signed Souray before dealing him. The market for impending UFAs ain't what it used to be—a look at the deals made recently (Balej for Kovalev, anyone?), especially this season, illustrate that. Unsigned, my guess is that Souray would fetch a prospect and one, maybe two picks. Huh ? Forsberg goes for a good kid, a prospect picked in the first round, and a first round pick, and the market for rentals is going down ? Last season Witt fetched a 1st rounder, as did Roloson. The market for rentals is better than ever - renting players at the deadline is probably a requisite step these days if you're going to be a contender, and most teams still hope they're in the playoff hunt so the number of sellers is fairly low. Right now it looks like Nashville rented Forsberg pretty cheaply. And they look very good to go to the Cup final. ... Upshall is projected by most pundits as a third line centre. The two picks are in this year's draft, which has been described as the weakest in a decade. And while Parent did help Canada's juniors to win gold, there is this to consider: "Parent, who is playing with the Guelph Storm this year, has missed 23 of the team's 55 games and is currently out with a bulging disk in his back." ... If were a GM I wouldn't mortgage the farm on a player who I know will be difficult (read over-pricing himself relative to my budget) or perhaps impossible to sign when the season's over. There may well be a GM out there who is gaga over a defenseman whose only real selling point is a strong shot on the power play, and will overpay for Souray. I hope that's the case for the Habs, but I'm not expecting a great return. |
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Post by PTH on Feb 17, 2007 16:50:09 GMT -5
Huh ? Forsberg goes for a good kid, a prospect picked in the first round, and a first round pick, and the market for rentals is going down ? Last season Witt fetched a 1st rounder, as did Roloson. The market for rentals is better than ever - renting players at the deadline is probably a requisite step these days if you're going to be a contender, and most teams still hope they're in the playoff hunt so the number of sellers is fairly low. We all know how much quoting oneself is fun, but it doesn't make one any more right. To call giving up essentially 3 first-round picks for 30 games + playoffs of an oft-injured player "cheap" seems to be unrealistic. Perhaps you wouldn't, but historically, GMs (you know, real ones, who do this professionnally and have to stand by their decisions - not just guys throwing ideas around on some internet forum) have been perfectly willing to do so. And keep in mind, GMs don't have to even WANT to re-sign the guys (Witt didn't re-sign in Nashville, Weight and Recchi didn't stick around in Carolina, Forberg probably won't) - a playoff rental has huge value in itself, it's the only way to "beat the cap" and ice a better team in playoffs than you would be if you made no moves at all. You get the player without getting the cap hit all season long, it's the best of both worlds for a GM. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Feb 17, 2007 17:22:15 GMT -5
Huh ? Forsberg goes for a good kid, a prospect picked in the first round, and a first round pick, and the market for rentals is going down ? Last season Witt fetched a 1st rounder, as did Roloson. The market for rentals is better than ever - renting players at the deadline is probably a requisite step these days if you're going to be a contender, and most teams still hope they're in the playoff hunt so the number of sellers is fairly low. Seems very realistic to me. Giving up damaged goods, a guy who projects to be a third-liner, and two picks in a weak draft for a franchise-type player who has regained his health and has been producing at better than a point per game since his return, especially when your team already atop your conference and is a very serious Cup contender, is a steal. My question was and is what sort of market is there for Souray's limited services, and how much is a GM willing to throw away to get him? You seem to have a higher opinion of Souray than I do. Let's just see what, if anything, the Habs get in return for him. |
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Post by franko on Feb 17, 2007 17:22:50 GMT -5
Steve Bernier is currently playing in the AHL on a conditioning stint.
Should Bernier play well and feel no discomfort from his healing broken toe he should return to the Sharks' lineup shortly.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Feb 19, 2007 19:02:54 GMT -5
Anaheim Ducks GM Brian Burke would like to add a player or two for his contending squad but is frustrated by the high asking price right now.
"The deals that have been put in front of me haven't been worth spending a lot of time on," said Burke. "They've been short, profanity-laced conversations. They ask for the same group of young guys and I'm not moving any of those guys for a rental (pending free agent).
"It's just not going to happen. I don't know if the prices are too high for other people but they don't suit me. I'm not interested in anything that's been thrown at me yet."
Burke was in on the Peter Forsberg trade talks last week but balked at the price when the name of Corey Perry came up. Other sellers are also going after the Ducks' best young players.
"They're very short conversations," said Burke. "If anybody doesn't know how to swear they should sit in on one of these conversations because they'd know in a hurry. .
"We have good young players in our group and we're not putting them in deals for rentals. It's that simple." - www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=196847&hubname=
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Post by Forum Ghost on Feb 19, 2007 19:10:01 GMT -5
If anybody doesn't know how to swear they should sit in on one of these conversations because they'd know in a hurry. . For some reason, I thought that things at the General Manager level would be a lot more professional.  |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 19, 2007 19:15:42 GMT -5
Anaheim Ducks GM Brian Burke would like to add a player or two for his contending squad but is frustrated by the high asking price right now.
"The deals that have been put in front of me haven't been worth spending a lot of time on," said Burke. "They've been short, profanity-laced conversations. They ask for the same group of young guys and I'm not moving any of those guys for a rental (pending free agent).
"It's just not going to happen. I don't know if the prices are too high for other people but they don't suit me. I'm not interested in anything that's been thrown at me yet."
Burke was in on the Peter Forsberg trade talks last week but balked at the price when the name of Corey Perry came up. Other sellers are also going after the Ducks' best young players.
"They're very short conversations," said Burke. "If anybody doesn't know how to swear they should sit in on one of these conversations because they'd know in a hurry. .
"We have good young players in our group and we're not putting them in deals for rentals. It's that simple." - www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=196847&hubname= Burke has made a name for himself by being hard to deal with ..... he won't give up prospects, but the majority are going to. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 19, 2007 19:16:32 GMT -5
If anybody doesn't know how to swear they should sit in on one of these conversations because they'd know in a hurry. . For some reason, I thought that things at the General Manager level would be a lot more professional. Saw Burke on TSN, saying the above quotes .... they are basically phone conversations when they talk about deals. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Feb 19, 2007 20:04:16 GMT -5
Anaheim Ducks GM Brian Burke would like to add a player or two for his contending squad but is frustrated by the high asking price right now.
"The deals that have been put in front of me haven't been worth spending a lot of time on," said Burke. "They've been short, profanity-laced conversations. They ask for the same group of young guys and I'm not moving any of those guys for a rental (pending free agent).
"It's just not going to happen. I don't know if the prices are too high for other people but they don't suit me. I'm not interested in anything that's been thrown at me yet."
Burke was in on the Peter Forsberg trade talks last week but balked at the price when the name of Corey Perry came up. Other sellers are also going after the Ducks' best young players.
"They're very short conversations," said Burke. "If anybody doesn't know how to swear they should sit in on one of these conversations because they'd know in a hurry. .
"We have good young players in our group and we're not putting them in deals for rentals. It's that simple." - www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=196847&hubname= Burke has made a name for himself by being hard to deal with ..... he won't give up prospects, but the majority are going to. Burke has made a name for himself as a smart GM. He said he won't give up prospects for rentals, not that he wouldn't trade prospects for a sound longer term return—if the price is right. Here's an interesting article: High rent-a-player costs may limit NHL dealingERIC DUHATSCHEK Globe and Mail UpdateNAPLES, Fla. — The high price of the National Hockey League player rental suggests that one team anyway, the Anaheim Ducks, are not going to be lured into a bidding war for reinforcements, even as the Feb. 27 trading deadline creeps ever closer. Ducks' general manager Brian Burke drew the usual overflow crowd of reporters when he emerged from Monday's first day of the NHL GMs meetings, to reveal that he isn't close to making a deal — and may not be, if the asking prices don't change. ''There's no shame, they don't even wear a mask, they just come out and ask you for it," said Burke. ''The deals that have been put in front of me haven't been worth spending a lot of time on. They've been short, profanity-laced conversations. They ask for the same group of guys (Ryan Getzlaf, Cory Perry, Dustin Penner, Bobby Ryan) and I'm not moving any of those guys for a rental. It's just not going to happen. I don't know if the prices are too high for other people but they don't suit me. I'm not interested in anything that's been thrown at me yet. ''We have good young players in our group and we're not putting them in deals for rentals. It's that simple.'' Naturally, Burke didn't reveal who he'd been having those profanity-laced discussions with, but it stands to reason that one of them might have occurred with St. Louis Blues' general manager Larry Pleau. Pleau is attending these meetings, not his boss, Blues' president John Davidson, although both are handling the trade calls at the moment. The dilemma, according to Pleau, is what to do with Bill Guerin and Keith Tkachuk, two players who are making a difference in the team's recent turnaround, but are not actively discussing contract extensions with the team. ''I guess you're always hoping the compensation helps you make that decision," said Pleau. "We've still got plenty of time here. It's something we think a lot about. We're still in a race here even though we realize it won't be easy.'' ''I guess the fair market value, when it comes right down to it, is what somebody is going to pay. And it's also what you really need in return and whether you think you got enough. There are so many factors that go into it. With us, we're still in a race. I know it's 10 points but we've all seen weirder things happen in sports.'' FERGY BIDES HIS TIME: So what's Leafs' manager John Ferguson Jr. up to? Ex-Leaf Gary Roberts said in Sunday's editions of most Florida newspapers that if he does get traded, he would prefer to go to either Ottawa or Toronto. "We haven't found the right fit ourselves just yet but we'll continue to look," said Ferguson, cautiously. "We're familiar with Gary. I think everyone is. He played for us, played a long time for us. He's not the only one. As for the Senators, general manager John Muckler said yesterday that the Senators have a game plan; haven't spoken to Panthers' GM Jacques Martin as yet; thinks it's still early (even though there's only a week go go) and agrees that prices for rentals are too high. "As we get down to the deadline maybe it'll drop," said Muckler. "Some people think the market's already set. If it is I don't think we'll dive in at these prices. We're not doing to deal our future off to add another player to our hockey club. We went out and we got (Mike) Comrie and we spent a lot of our money there so we don't have that much left. We'd like to add somebody, but we're not going to reduce our roster." Logically, the Leafs have the assets and the salary cap room to make one impact move at the deadline, no more, so ultimately, their decision may come down to Roberts or Guerin, which player would be the better fit; and which would come at the most attractive price? - tinyurl.com/28lpwg |
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