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Post by del on Feb 16, 2007 12:47:35 GMT -5
Calm down ... we all know by now that anything that shows up in the press as a rumor involving Gainey will simply never happen. So far...all suprise moves.
Gainey plays it so close to the vest as to be tattooed on his chest .... In fact, we are not even sure if Gainey is going to do anything at all, let alone figure out who is going where for whom.
...so ruuumeurr du jour.....RIP ... the cemetery just keeps on getting larger!
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Post by Ryan on Feb 16, 2007 13:19:17 GMT -5
I'm more excited about the fact that McKenzie says that Gainey is working on what would seem to be a major deal.
The unrelated rumour doesn't float my boat, but then again we don't know the whole story. If Gainey has been told my Markov that he's not signing, then by all means deal him. Same with Souray, and Rivet obviously.
Personally I want to keep Markov at all costs.
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 16, 2007 13:27:51 GMT -5
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Post by clear observer on Feb 16, 2007 13:35:38 GMT -5
...Keith Primeau has been added to the cast of Sportsnet’s Trade Deadline Show, so there will be two Philly guys in Toronto that day. There was an amazing interview on XM last week where Phil Esposito told Keith that “during the 04 playoffs when you and the Flyers took the Lightning to seven games, you were the most dominating player I ever saw. More than Orr, Howe, Gretzky, or anyone.” Quite a compliment form Espo.
Espo has GOT to STOP drinking that mule-piss, Steelback.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Feb 16, 2007 13:38:30 GMT -5
...Keith Primeau has been added to the cast of Sportsnet’s Trade Deadline Show, so there will be two Philly guys in Toronto that day. There was an amazing interview on XM last week where Phil Esposito told Keith that “during the 04 playoffs when you and the Flyers took the Lightning to seven games, you were the most dominating player I ever saw. More than Orr, Howe, Gretzky, or anyone.” Quite a compliment form Espo.
Espo has GOT to STOP drinking that mule-piss, Steelback. Yeah, no matter what he says, that beer does not have a head in that commercial. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 16, 2007 13:57:17 GMT -5
...tell you what. If I was to come up with an off the wall theory I'd say that there rumors would conviently convince fans and media that the organisation is "trying"... A leak here, a leak there and all of a sudden everyone thinks you're working your arse off...
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Post by jkr on Feb 16, 2007 14:12:08 GMT -5
Espo has GOT to STOP drinking that mule-piss, Steelback. And we have to get Frank D'angelo off the air. Someone told him he can act & sing.  |
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Post by clear observer on Feb 16, 2007 14:18:53 GMT -5
Espo has GOT to STOP drinking that mule-piss, Steelback. And we have to get Frank D'angelo off the air. Someone told him he can act & sing. He and Phil BOTH look hammered (they likely were) in their commercial....wher the hell was "make-up"!!?? |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 16, 2007 14:21:59 GMT -5
...tell you what. If I was to come up with an off the wall theory I'd say that there rumors would conviently convince fans and media that the organisation is "trying"... A leak here, a leak there and all of a sudden everyone thinks you're working your arse off... Ah, so cynical Doc, so cynical. Let’s bring back the Dyment thread, just for fun… I tell you what though (doing my best Elliott Price impression), if the Habs continue to slide, we’re going to hear rumors about everyone, and almost certainly for the “required French guy” in return… * Koivu and Markov to Minnesota for Pouilot and Bouchard * Souray to San Jose for Steve Bernier * Rivet to Atlanta for Alex Bourret * Ryder to Vancouver for Alex Burrows * Bonk to Buffalo for Dan Paille * Kovalev and Aebischeir to Pittsburgh for Kris Letang and Jocelyn Thibault * Streit to Tampa for Eric Perrin * Johnson to Nashville for Blake Geofrion Actually… that doesn’t look half bad… |
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Post by Gogie on Feb 16, 2007 14:40:28 GMT -5
...tell you what. If I was to come up with an off the wall theory I'd say that there rumors would conviently convince fans and media that the organisation is "trying"... A leak here, a leak there and all of a sudden everyone thinks you're working your arse off... Ah, so cynical Doc, so cynical. Let’s bring back the Dyment thread, just for fun… I tell you what though (doing my best Elliott Price impression), if the Habs continue to slide, we’re going to hear rumors about everyone, and almost certainly for the “required French guy” in return… * Koivu and Markov to Minnesota for Pouilot and Bouchard * Souray to San Jose for Steve Bernier * Rivet to Atlanta for Alex Bourret * Ryder to Vancouver for Alex Burrows * Bonk to Buffalo for Dan Paille * Kovalev and Aebischeir to Pittsburgh for Kris Letang and Jocelyn Thibault * Streit to Tampa for Eric Perrin * Johnson to Nashville for Blake Geofrion Actually… that doesn’t look half bad… Not to be picky, but what the hey: Paille was born in Welland Ontario (although that doesn't disqualify him from being French Canadien) but I must disagree with Geoffrion. Despite his obvious connections to Quebec and the Habs, he's an American, born in Plantation Florida.  |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 16, 2007 14:53:43 GMT -5
...tell you what. If I was to come up with an off the wall theory I'd say that there rumors would conviently convince fans and media that the organisation is "trying"... A leak here, a leak there and all of a sudden everyone thinks you're working your arse off... Ah, so cynical Doc, so cynical. Let’s bring back the Dyment thread, just for fun… I tell you what though (doing my best Elliott Price impression), if the Habs continue to slide, we’re going to hear rumors about everyone, and almost certainly for the “required French guy” in return… * Koivu and Markov to Minnesota for Pouilot and Bouchard * Souray to San Jose for Steve Bernier * Rivet to Atlanta for Alex Bourret * Ryder to Vancouver for Alex Burrows * Bonk to Buffalo for Dan Paille * Kovalev and Aebischeir to Pittsburgh for Kris Letang and Jocelyn Thibault * Streit to Tampa for Eric Perrin * Johnson to Nashville for Blake Geofrion Actually… that doesn’t look half bad… ...haven't you send GG your resume yet damn it. BadCompany for president |
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Post by Forum Ghost on Feb 16, 2007 14:54:26 GMT -5
If the rumoured deal has any truth to it, I would do it in a heartbeat.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, Bouchard has as many points as Koivu already. And to add to that, he's only 22.
During the 2005 Draft, there were rumours that the Habs took Price because Pouliot wasn't available. So I guess there was interest in Pouliot by the Habs' brass before too.
C'mon Bob, make it happen.
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Post by HFTO on Feb 16, 2007 17:42:19 GMT -5
This would be a tough trade emotionally but would be a pretty good deal as far as up grading our talent.
Saku is the face of the Habs but what has he done really?
His personnel battles aside haven't inspired anybody on this team only the the fans.That alone is sad.
The only way to keep Saku is to get him bona fide help,teams just shut down his line and what do we have.If we aren't going to get help for him, might as well do it another way.
Markov would be a loss on paper but his play this year is far from awe inspiring.
HA the our latest tinman will never be the face of this team just one in a crowd.The only way he will be noticed is if the talent brought him, exceeds him.
HFTO
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 16, 2007 17:48:44 GMT -5
From Spectors at 4:30 today:
David Ettedgui sends in the latest on the Canadiens: "On the Amateur de sport radio show(french version of team 990) they where saying that Bob Gainey was relooking his position and was more leaning to be a seller then a buyer. They also mentioned the fact that he was negotiating with two western teams about trading Sheldon Souray,
It seems the San Jose Shark sare offering young centerman Joe Pavelski and a first round pick, as for the Anaheim Ducks they are also offering a first round pick and a centerman
Also they believe that the Canadiens were leaning more towards the San Jose offer , after the Ducks rejected the possibility of trading Bobby Ryan which is Gainey main target."
Toughts guya? Don't know much about Pavelski...............
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Post by duster on Feb 16, 2007 18:18:51 GMT -5
I'm hoping BG will pass on Pavelski. If Gainey has decided to be a seller using Souray as a trade asset, why use him to acquire another third line centre when we already have Pleks and Bonk? San Jose has two very good young defensemen in Carle and Wishart. Carle, in particular, would be interesting. I doubt San Jose would go for it unless it was part of something bigger...
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Post by franko on Feb 16, 2007 18:30:35 GMT -5
I'm hoping BG will pass on Pavelski. If Gainey has decided to be a seller using Souray as a trade asset, why use him to acquire another third line centre when we already have Pleks and Bonk? Been watching Pavelski and grabbed him in the Habs pool. Until he went on IR he was doing his job, and I think given the chance he will move up the food chain. But he is on IR, day to day. Sharks have been inconsistent in the 6 games iwthout him, 3-3-0, and outscored. A rookie, I think he's a nice fit. You're right -- Carle would be nice to have. And I too doubt if SJ will let him go. *sighs wistfully for an upgrade on D* |
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Post by revin5 on Feb 16, 2007 18:46:54 GMT -5
If we're going to deal with San Jose, we need to get Vlasic out of them.
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Post by oldhabsfan on Feb 16, 2007 19:20:11 GMT -5
...has Koivu/Markov heading to Minny for Bouchard/Pouliot. [/i][/quote] According to waymoresports They are both wingers Bouchard: 165 pounds! Pouliot: 183 pounds "must learn to avoid taking bad penalties"! He's spent almost all this season in the AHL where he is scorer number 126. Jonathon Ferland is number 128... I have trouble taking this one seriously. I think that Bob Gainey will be more worried about getting value than about a salary dump. |
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Post by Marvin on Feb 16, 2007 19:33:31 GMT -5
I can't believe that Anaheim would even entertain Souray. They've already got Niedermayer and Pronger. SJ on the other hand, makes a bit of sense. They did lose out on the Stuart sweepstakes.
Marv
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Post by PTH on Feb 16, 2007 19:37:06 GMT -5
Tempting but only if Saku wants to be traded. I hope Gainey has had a long heart-to-heart with Koivu to see if this will make him happy. He deserves that much although I'm sure he would like to play with his brother in a real hockey town. The Markov piece is troubling. We might as well ship them Souray. If we ship out Markov and then lose Souray and Rivet to UFA then our blueline is a mess. Between Markov and Souray i think we all agree Markov has the better all around game and we stand the best chance of keeping him. Agree all the way. Still, if Markov is looking to leave, or just if the brass are seeing that he's plateaued and isn't interested in putting the hard work night after night, maybe he's not the right spot to invest a significant part of the cap. Or maybe not, and then you try and re-sign him this summer. --- Pouliot and PM Bouchard are two francophones with major upside, and moving guys from the 93 and 98 drafts for guys from the 2002 and 2005 drafts would go a huge distance in rebuilding this team. We're probably stuck with Kovalev and Samsonov, due to their contracts, but other than that we'd have a very young team, especially when you consider that many veterans (Bonk, Johnson, Rivet, Souray, Aebischer) would be UFAs. Higgins-Bouchard-Ryder Latendresse-Plekanec-Kovalev Samsonov-Grabovsky-Streit Bégin-Lapierre-  Huet-Halak, with Price doing his year in the AHL. Defense would be hard to figure out with 4 of the top 7 potentially gone. Still, I do this deal. It's a huge step in a rebuild. But I can't see why Minnesota would do it, unless they sorely lack a veteran forward and have a massive surplus of kids. Markov is a UFA, after all, so teams willing to put up a major price for him would be teams looking for a playoff rental. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 17, 2007 0:02:28 GMT -5
I agree with CO - there are some players you just don't trade. Right now on the Habs I think Higgins and Markov are players like that... Doug Harvey, Plante, Mahovlich, Lafleur, Gretzky, Messier and Esposito were all traded. I don't think Higgins or Markov are untradeable. Nobody on the club is untradeable! We're not out of the hunt. If we have to have a slump, this is the time to have it. We have the same core that was challenging for first place a few months ago before the listless flu struck. It's not over, but I'm not betting the farm or holding my breath. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 17, 2007 11:12:30 GMT -5
I know it's Eklund but he was on the mark about Forsberg to Nashville & even had Parent's name in the mix before it happened. He talks a little about west coast interest in Souray: www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=5578 |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 17, 2007 11:56:54 GMT -5
Let me take a crack at this game....
Souray and a ballerina for Steve Bernier, Mark Bell and Marc-Edouard Vlasic
I'm just making an educated guess.....
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 17, 2007 13:14:01 GMT -5
Ballerina ?Plekanec? Perezhogin? Samsonov? Kostsysin? Grabovsky? Heck they can take the whole friggin' Russian Ballet with them for all I care... 
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 17, 2007 13:22:41 GMT -5
Let me take a crack at this game.... Souray and a ballerina for Steve Bernier, Mark Bell and Marc-Edouard Vlasic I'm just making an educated guess..... 3 Canadians.... 2 Quebecois....Vlasic (Montreal), Bernier (Quebec City). Bell from St. Paul's, Ontario. Makes sense for Souray....San Jose gets him close to his daughter. The ballerina....he'll be surrounded once again by solid players: Thornton, Marleau, Cheechoo....if that indeed is who you mean.... Good for San Jose....and the Habs. Bell: 26, 6-4, 220 LW. 1st round pick. 8th. Vlasic: 19, rookie. 6-1, 195 D 2nd round pick. 35th Bernier: 21, 6-2, 235 RW 1st round pick. 16th. Instant size up front....and a promising D-man. I like this deal a lot. But Bernier was assigned to Worcester (AHL) on Jan. 2. He was sent down with D-man Matt Carle. At the time: Bernier, 21, has appeared in 39 games posting 25 points (11-14=25), which is fourth-best on the team. His six power play goals are fourth on the team and his three game-winning goals are tied for third. He ranks 12th among all League forwards in hits (88). |
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Post by PTH on Feb 17, 2007 13:36:58 GMT -5
Let me take a crack at this game.... Souray and a ballerina for Steve Bernier, Mark Bell and Marc-Edouard Vlasic I'm just making an educated guess..... If the ballerina is Kovalev or Samsonov, we'll need to take back Malakhov (who's retied, but still takes up cap room) just because of cap issues. I'd still do it. |
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Post by franko on Feb 17, 2007 13:56:26 GMT -5
Bell has not had a banner year . . . far below expectations.
Vlasic is average.
Bernier was sent down with Carle in a shake-up/wake-up but didn't come back up, but was doing well at the time.
Getting something instead of nothing is about it. Bell will improve and Bernier should do well.
Do it.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 17, 2007 14:43:54 GMT -5
Let me take a crack at this game.... Souray and a ballerina for Steve Bernier, Mark Bell and Marc-Edouard Vlasic I'm just making an educated guess..... 3 Canadians.... 2 Quebecois....Vlasic (Montreal), Bernier (Quebec City). Bell from St. Paul's, Ontario. Makes sense for Souray....San Jose gets him close to his daughter. The ballerina....he'll be surrounded once again by solid players: Thornton, Marleau, Cheechoo....if that indeed is who you mean.... Good for San Jose....and the Habs. Bell: 26, 6-4, 220 LW. 1st round pick. 8th. Vlasic: 19, rookie. 6-1, 195 D 2nd round pick. 35th Bernier: 21, 6-2, 235 RW 1st round pick. 16th. Instant size up front....and a promising D-man. I like this deal a lot. But Bernier was assigned to Worcester (AHL) on Jan. 2. He was sent down with D-man Matt Carle. At the time: Bernier, 21, has appeared in 39 games posting 25 points (11-14=25), which is fourth-best on the team. His six power play goals are fourth on the team and his three game-winning goals are tied for third. He ranks 12th among all League forwards in hits (88).That's the idea CenterIce. We trade them Souray for a couple of nice youngsters (Vlasik, Bernier) BUT we force Samsonov on them and coat the pill by taking on Bell. 2 down a couple to go. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 17, 2007 14:53:37 GMT -5
If the ballerina is Kovalev or Samsonov, we'll need to take back Malakhov (who's retied, but still takes up cap room) just because of cap issues. I'd still do it. ...we could take back Bell I guess but with less than 30 games remaining cap is less and less an issue. Anyway the idea I think would be to trade an interesting guy (Souray, Koivu, Markov) but force a less interesting asset out (Kovalev, Samsonov, Rivet)... |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 17, 2007 15:11:46 GMT -5
My trade idea is what makes sense for us and for them. We lose people who we may lose anyway or don't want to be here and get back a ton pof potential.
Bell is underperforming and Bernier has huge potential. It is all about risk and asset management.
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