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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 1, 2014 16:08:16 GMT -5
Oops I thought this was fa tracking tread lol
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 16:08:32 GMT -5
Habs sign goalie, and NS boy, Joey MacDonald to a 2 way contract. Where's Reaper? They're both from the same neck of the woods.
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 16:09:07 GMT -5
Oops I thought this was fa tracking tread lol LOL . Busy day
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 1, 2014 16:12:56 GMT -5
Habs sign goalie, and NS boy, Joey MacDonald to a 2 way contract. Where's Reaper? They're both from the same neck of the woods. Hate to read to much into this signing but that means Tokarski is NHL bound..... Which means goodbye Budaj...I think right??
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 1, 2014 16:14:47 GMT -5
Habs sign goalie, and NS boy, Joey MacDonald to a 2 way contract. Where's Reaper? They're both from the same neck of the woods. Hate to read to much into this signing but that means Tokarski is NHL bound..... Which means goodbye Budaj...I think right?? I really like Joey Mac.... For a AHL/ injury fillin
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 1, 2014 16:16:39 GMT -5
@darrendreger: Brad Richards takes a 1 year term. Dany Heatley is also willing to go short-term.
Any takers here in Habland for Heatley?..
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 16:17:06 GMT -5
Habs sign goalie, and NS boy, Joey MacDonald to a 2 way contract. Where's Reaper? They're both from the same neck of the woods. Hate to read to much into this signing but that means Tokarski is NHL bound..... Which means goodbye Budaj...I think right?? I'd have to check who else would be in Hamilton. It's not impossible to think that Joey and Dustin would be in Hamilton. They'd likely be the best tandem in the league. The goalie market in the NHL is so fickle. Brodeur is looking for work, but the amount of work he wants/gets is a factor of debate with whomever he signs. Getting value is hard. Budaj is a true back up, and a fabulous one. If there's a team out there looking for a goalie who can play 15 games, be a fabulous team mate, etc. he's your man. Maybe there's a deal out there that has Tokarski as part of it though. Who knows?
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 16:17:45 GMT -5
@darrendreger: Brad Richards takes a 1 year term. Dany Heatley is also willing to go short-term. Any takers here in Habland for Heatley?.. Nope. Painfully slow skater. He can't keep up in Minny. He'd be even further behind the play in Montreal.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 1, 2014 16:19:54 GMT -5
Well mike Condon..... Is AHL bound last i checked.....had a great year.... But at 24/25 years of age..... It's time for him to get a shot at backup
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 16:21:00 GMT -5
Well mike Condon..... Is AHL bound last i checked.....had a great year.... But at 24/25 years of age..... It's time for him to get a shot at backup Whatever happens, MacDonald is a move none of us saw and it likely means there's another move to be made that has a goalie leaving.
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Post by PTH on Jul 1, 2014 16:21:36 GMT -5
Hate to read to much into this signing but that means Tokarski is NHL bound..... Which means goodbye Budaj...I think right?? I'd have to check who else would be in Hamilton. It's not impossible to think that Joey and Dustin would be in Hamilton. They'd likely be the best tandem in the league. The goalie market in the NHL is so fickle. Brodeur is looking for work, but the amount of work he wants/gets is a factor of debate with whomever he signs. Getting value is hard. Budaj is a true back up, and a fabulous one. If there's a team out there looking for a goalie who can play 15 games, be a fabulous team mate, etc. he's your man. Maybe there's a deal out there that has Tokarski as part of it though. Who knows? From what I read, MacDonald is just insurance if ever they lose Tokarski to waivers.
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Post by habsask on Jul 1, 2014 17:21:05 GMT -5
@darrendreger: Brad Richards takes a 1 year term. Dany Heatley is also willing to go short-term. Any takers here in Habland for Heatley?.. Living in Ottawa I would say Noooooo.... Besides what jj said he's a "me first" player. The Sens traded Hossa and Greg de Vries for this guy which turned out to be a colossal mistake. He ended up getting run out of town - sheesh, what a mess that was.
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Post by franko on Jul 1, 2014 17:58:10 GMT -5
@darrendreger: Brad Richards takes a 1 year term. Dany Heatley is also willing to go short-term. Any takers here in Habland for Heatley?.. Living in Ottawa I would say Noooooo.... Besides what jj said he's a "me first" player. The Sens traded Hossa and Greg de Vries for this guy which turned out to be a colossal mistake. He ended up getting run out of town - sheesh, what a mess that was. Sens fans run everyone out of town. Heatley deserved it.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 1, 2014 18:19:41 GMT -5
Oops I thought this was fa tracking tread lol I was doing that from time to time ... glad to know it's not a "disism" ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 1, 2014 18:29:34 GMT -5
Living in Ottawa I would say Noooooo.... Besides what jj said he's a "me first" player. The Sens traded Hossa and Greg de Vries for this guy which turned out to be a colossal mistake. He ended up getting run out of town - sheesh, what a mess that was. Sens fans run everyone out of town. Heatley deserved it. Really glad Heatley's name never came up here on our boards ... Heatley is all about Heatley ... unfortunately, I didn't think Spezza warranted the same treatment ... I it's not the right thread, okay, but I really think Spezza's treatment is a residual from losing Alfredsson ... the Senators lost their heart and sole ... and in keeping with the thread (slick, eh) I think we lost a bit of heart and soul when Gorges left ... I understand the business, but like I was saying before, you can't just go out and replace guys like him just like that ... big time respect points from all of his teammates ... wish he could have stayed, but like Bergevin said, there has to be a point in time where you promote your youth ... and he mentioned all three; Tinordi, Beaulieu and Pateryn ... don't know how that's going to work, but that's not my problem ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 1, 2014 18:35:16 GMT -5
@darrendreger: Brad Richards takes a 1 year term. Dany Heatley is also willing to go short-term. Any takers here in Habland for Heatley?.. Nope. Painfully slow skater. He can't keep up in Minny. He'd be even further behind the play in Montreal. Oops ... missed Heatley's name here ... I don't think he's the type of character guy Bergevin is looking for ... in fact, I question his character ... Cheers.
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Post by jkr on Jul 1, 2014 20:19:03 GMT -5
There's talk on HF that the Habs are interested in Radim Vrbata of Phoenix. 33 years old now & a pretty steady 20 goal type guy over the last 5 seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 20:32:28 GMT -5
Seem to be a lot of depth/parallel moves that make us either younger and/or bigger. Fine by me.
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 20:36:12 GMT -5
There's talk on HF that the Habs are interested in Radim Vrbata of Phoenix. 33 years old now & a pretty steady 20 goal type guy over the last 5 seasons. It's been floating around for a few days. Consistent guy. If added, there's no trade of Pleks/DD/Eller imo. That trade is the way I'd prefer to address the top 6.
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 2, 2014 8:05:50 GMT -5
Not sure if Bergevin has any medical training, but his main focus as a GM seems to be to "do no harm." You can argue that he has made some blunders, but most of them, if there in fact blunders, are short term, non-crippling blunders. He hasn't signed anybody for an outrageous amount of money, he hasn't handed out any long term contracts, nor has he gotten himself involved in a land war in Asia. He's been very cautious, and he continued that trend yesterday, if you ask me. Lots of lateral moves and incremental improvements, but no swinging for the fences.
Random (and scattered) thoughts:
Parenteau: Not a big fan, and I fear we've simply traded for a younger version of the older Briere. Not sure we're going to get much more production from Parenteau than what we would have gotten from Briere next year, in other words, though Parenteau's recent pedigree would definitely suggest otherwise. Call it a hunch that I will be more than happy to be wrong on. But I fear we've traded for one more year of year of Briere-like non-production for an extra 5th rounder. Which I guess is okay.
Gorges: Sad the way it ended, and certainly puts a chink in Bergevin's "treats his guys great" armour. But so far nobody seems to think the leak came from him, so I guess that is still intact. For the "balance" of the blueline Gorges was the most expendable member. The 2nd round pick two years from now may seem like a mediocre return, but I'm a big fan of stockpiling picks far into the future. I think other GMs are more likely to throw them in if they are far down the line, so in a way it's a long con. Not saying we're going to end up with a super-star with Minnesota's second round pick in 2016, but it will be nice to get there and remember that "oh yeah, we've got more picks to play with!" Personally, as a GM, I'd be asking for picks for drafts as far down the line as the CBA allows me to. Even if it's just an extra 7th rounder for grins and giggles. Currency.
Gilbert: Only has to be better than Gorges. From the right-hand side. I would expect about the same level of play, actually. Which isn't bad, but I wouldn't be expecting the moon from this guy. Another "character" player in the Weaver-comedian role, I think.
Gionta: I, for one, didn't necessarily want to see Gionta go. 18 goals is 18 goals. They're going to have to be replaced by someone, and as I mentioned above I'm not sure Parenteau is that guy. But obviously he got a great retirement contract that we weren't going to match. Do no harm and all.
Vanek: It's clear he wasn't going to sign here, even if Therrien hadn't of 4th-lined him. He said all the way back at the beginning of the season, while with Buffalo, that "July 1st was a gift" to himself. He wanted to see free-agency and/or sign with Minnesota. He said it again in New York where the Islanders offered him a ludicrous contract, and he said it again while here in Montreal. No reason to believe any contract offer that Bergevin would have made to him would have been accepted. I guess we're just surprised when a professional athlete actually does what he says he wants to do.
Weaver: Keep living the dream, Mike! Solid veteran, solid signing, nice short-term depth. 40-50 games for him, I would expect. Plus more Pacioretty-poster tweets.
Malhotra: Always been a big Malhotra fan, thought he was seriously underrated around the league. Mainly because he wasn't a top 10 overall pick, despite being a top 10 overall pick. Doesn't mean he was a bad player. Just not a top 10 overall pick. I expect him to come here and put in Jeff Halpern-like play. Nothing to right home about, but again, not really going to hurt you either. The faceoff thing though is a welcome change.
Sekac: No idea who this kid is, but apparently he was in high demand. Consider it our Collberg replacement, only a little further along. Let's face it, there isn't a heck of a lot in Hamilton when it comes to forward depth. I don't know if Sekac is going to start the year in Montreal -he''ll be given every opportunity - but let's face it; when a 5'8 forward with 44 points in the AHL is your top callup prospect then you know you need some depth there. Sekac is what? 22? So he becomes our top prospect almost by default at this point. I'll be interested to see how he does. Hopefully he can be another Bournival-like surprise.
White: I liked Ryan White. I thought he was a good 4th liner player. Sort of surprised they didn't at least qualify him and try to trade him, but I guessed they poked around at the draft and there were no takers. That's unfortunate. I would have thought we could have gotten at least a 2016 5th rounder or something.
Vrbata, Bouillon, Bissonnette: My guesses for our next three signings. I don't think Bergevin is done yet. He likes depth, and while we have a lot of "healthy" depth, we don't have a lot of depth if and when the injuries hit. Right now, unless I am counting wrong, if you include Sekac, Tinordi, Beaulieu AND Paetryn in the count we have 14 forwards and 8 defensemen. Which means that only one player needs to get hurt for us to start seriously worrying about our depth. And that's with zero competition in camp. Beyond those four rookies we have De la Rose and the aforementioned Andrighetto. Question marks. If we sign the three above (Bouillon!!) then we have some depth, some camp battles for the rookies to engage in, and some Hamilton call-ups.
My un-educated guess is we play with 13 forwards and 8 defenseman. Sekac and Paetryn back to Hamilton, with one defenseman and one forward starting the year on IR.
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Post by Polarice on Jul 2, 2014 8:49:18 GMT -5
Habs sign goalie, and NS boy, Joey MacDonald to a 2 way contract. Where's Reaper? They're both from the same neck of the woods. I was on a plane back to Edmonton....I know Joey well....I figured he may end up in Europe this year. Happy for him!!
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jul 2, 2014 9:29:50 GMT -5
Not sure if Bergevin has any medical training, but his main focus as a GM seems to be to "do no harm." You can argue that he has made some blunders, but most of them, if there in fact blunders, are short term, non-crippling blunders. He hasn't signed anybody for an outrageous amount of money, he hasn't handed out any long term contracts, nor has he gotten himself involved in a land war in Asia. He's been very cautious, and he continued that trend yesterday, if you ask me. Lots of lateral moves and incremental improvements, but no swinging for the fences. Good post. Lots of action yesterday, but it kind of feels like a reshuffling of the deck. I'm OK with all the moves, and I like that Berg sees the value of having dmen play on their proper side. But he didn't solve the fundamental problem facing the team in the wake of losing Vanek, and that's production. Everything seems like a wash with Parenteau taking Gionta's spot on the 2nd/3rd line RW and Malhotra providing a more natural fit on the 4th line. Overall a solid day for Bergevin but I'm not sure the T-E-A-M is that much better today. They lost a lot of leadership with Gionta and Gorges, and although I'm not all that sentimental about that stuff, it will be a very different dressing room next year with new voices and different leaders. That may very well be a good thing. But the scoring issue remains. We've discussed how the Vanek acquisition really was a game changer for the offense and that helped ignite the strong playoff run, but before that we were a miserable offensive team. I don't know if Berg has something else up his sleeve or if he believes that we will be a much better scoring team next year without anything else, but to me it's still a glaring issue and one where he may need to "swing for the fences" to solve.
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Post by franko on Jul 2, 2014 9:48:10 GMT -5
nor has he gotten himself involved in a land war in Asia. made my day inconceivable that he will, either. still looking for someone for the brute squad, though.
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Post by franko on Jul 2, 2014 9:55:29 GMT -5
Gionta: I, for one, didn't necessarily want to see Gionta go. 18 goals is 18 goals. They're going to have to be replaced by someone, and as I mentioned above I'm not sure Parenteau is that guy. But obviously he got a great retirement contract that we weren't going to match. I liked Gio the guy and the Hab who retired. but that money for that term? wow! he'll get lots of playing time in Barfalo, but his body is wearing out and he just has no pop in his shots any more . . . a fond farewell and all the best . . . but it's for the best he is no longer in a Habs uni. and I wonder how that 3rd year is going to look -- as in how many games he'll be able to play. effectively, that is.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 2, 2014 11:08:36 GMT -5
Alot of teams were going after Sekac. I think the Habs said he would play with the team. Both McGuire and MacKenzie said this kid has a real good skill set on the radio this morning.
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Post by habsask on Jul 2, 2014 12:02:52 GMT -5
Alot of teams were going after Sekac. I think the Habs said he would play with the team. Both McGuire and MacKenzie said this kid has a real good skill set on the radio this morning. Bergevin did say Sekac would be competing for a RW job. But we'll see how he does in camp & preseason. I've seen two descriptions of his size: the Habs press release says 6', 174 lbs and I saw elsewhere 6'2", 190 lbs. I certainly hope it's the latter as if he's the former he'll get pushed about big time in the NHL. Cap Geek says: - players under 25 have to sign an Entry Level Contract (ELC) and being 22 years old it's for 2 years but can be extended by as much as two seasons. - all ELCs are two way contracts. So he if need be he can be sent to Hamilton for further development.
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Post by blny on Jul 2, 2014 12:07:38 GMT -5
IIHF has him at 6'2 and 194. There's some video on youtube. He would appear to definitely be bigger than 6' 174. Looks like he's got decent speed, and the ability to use a burst stride for space. Good vision.
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Post by habsask on Jul 2, 2014 13:43:54 GMT -5
IIHF has him at 6'2 and 194. There's some video on youtube. He would appear to definitely be bigger than 6' 174. Looks like he's got decent speed, and the ability to use a burst stride for space. Good vision. Sounds hopeful. Should be an interesting training camp & preseason to see how the revamped roster shakes out.
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Post by Cranky on Jul 2, 2014 14:20:43 GMT -5
....... nor has he gotten himself involved in a land war in Asia. How do you know that? How can you be sure? From what I know through my NSA and yenta connections, he's planning an attack on Russia to destabalize the KHL. Prezoghin is still our property! As for PAP.....I think he's more then a fringe 10 goal man. He's good for 20 with someone he can play with. Pleks? Probably. As for Weaver, he replaces Gorges on everything but name and money. Tweeterdom comes free. Do you have a measuring stick that's only six feet?? You're not going to need it that much anymore. Notice how our under 6 footers are disappearing......unless they play like 7 footers......
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Post by seventeen on Jul 2, 2014 15:49:24 GMT -5
You are sounding decidedly unCranky. Can a change in your avatar be next?
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