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Post by jkr on Jun 28, 2016 19:59:08 GMT -5
Have to admit it would be entertaining to watch Lucic going against Marchant a half dozen times a season, I would also go after Yakapov for the sake he is young, cheap and had a ton of natural talent. Lets sign Weise too. Lucy & him could go at it in practice.
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Post by jkr on Jun 28, 2016 20:45:04 GMT -5
Eric Engel tweeting that the Habs have contacted David Perron. He's 2 seasons removed from a 28 goal season in EDM but hasn't done a lot since.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 28, 2016 20:55:04 GMT -5
Eric Engel tweeting that the Habs have contacted David Perron. He's 2 seasons removed from a 28 goal season in EDM but hasn't done a lot since. He's scored 17 and 12 goals respectively in the past 2 seasons... not sure what he would be able to accomplish with our offensively challenged team.
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Post by folatre on Jun 28, 2016 20:57:03 GMT -5
Please no, injuries including concussions have played a role in making his career less than it could have been.
But there are also some other deficiencies like average defensive awareness and simply never consolidating as legitimate top six winger in terms of lamp lighting prowess.
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Post by blny on Jun 28, 2016 21:10:39 GMT -5
Perron looked better with the Ducks than the Pens. He just never fit in Pittsburgh under Johnston. He might have with Sullivan. He's very soft and, as folatre has pointed out, he's had concussion problems in the past. Just too much of a perimeter player. We need guys who are scoring now, have some size to shield the puck at least or play hard as well.
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Post by franko on Jun 28, 2016 21:59:49 GMT -5
Eric Engel tweeting that the Habs have contacted David Perron. He's 2 seasons removed from a 28 goal season in EDM but hasn't done a lot since. He's scored 17 and 12 goals respectively in the past 2 seasons... not sure what he would be able to accomplish with our offensively challenged team. doesn't that make him close to top 5? edit: 12 goals last year make him #7, 1 behind Eller, 2 behind Weise and Pleks
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 29, 2016 6:06:15 GMT -5
He's scored 17 and 12 goals respectively in the past 2 seasons... not sure what he would be able to accomplish with our offensively challenged team. doesn't that make him close to top 5? edit: 12 goals last year make him #7, 1 behind Eller, 2 behind Weise and Pleks How sad.
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Post by blny on Jul 3, 2016 16:55:51 GMT -5
Well, crunching the numbers one what our lineup could be this fall, there's room for another piece.
Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher ??-Plekanec-Radulov Lehkonen/Carr-Shaw-Andrighetto Danault-Mitchell-Byron Flynn
Markov-Weber Beaulieu-Petry Emelin-Pateryn Barberio
Price-Montoya
PAP buyout DD buyout hopefully
That's $32,291,667 committed to the forwards. Lehkonen could be that second line left wing, but as it stands I've left it as him and Carr fighting out for a spot.
That's $25,700,000 committed to defense. I don't know what the pairings will be. I'm not accounting for Sergachev. IMO, there's no need to rush him. He'd really have to have a stupendous camp. If Emelin gets traded, we'll know they plan to likely insert Mikhail.
$7.45 million for goalies, and $2.51 million in buyouts.
Grand total is $67,950,250 or $5.05 million in space. If any of our ELC players make it, we'll need a sizeable amount of that to cover bonuses.
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 3, 2016 17:08:37 GMT -5
Shaw is also listed as a winger on Hockey's Future.
I would NOT be surprised to see Shaw as 2nd line W. And our ol' pal, DD at 3rd line C.
Buying-out DD would be humiliating.
And we can't hurt a player's feelings.
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Post by blny on Jul 3, 2016 17:14:30 GMT -5
Shaw is also listed as a winger on Hockey's Future. I would NOT be surprised to see Shaw as 2nd line W. And our ol' pal, DD at 3rd line C. Buying-out DD would be humiliating. And we can't hurt a player's feelings. No doubt, Shaw is ideal on the wing. I don't want to count any chickens with respect to the likes of Shipachyov. Without him, and with DD gone, I didn't see anyone else to fill the spot. It also puts ghetto on the wing, and I'd like to see him get a full season.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 13, 2016 18:47:16 GMT -5
Matt Pfeffer, who was hired by the Habs last year to be their Analytics guy, has been let go. I wonder if they'll use analytics at all, or go without next year.
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 13, 2016 19:22:24 GMT -5
Matt Pfeffer, who was hired by the Habs last year to be their Analytics guy, has been let go. I wonder if they'll use analytics at all, or go without next year. Analytics aren't perfect, but they do serve as objective data....at least attempting to remove as much subjectivity as possible, no? Maybe Berg and Therrien will discuss the importance of objectivity on their next vacation.... (couldn't resist)....
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Post by folatre on Jul 13, 2016 19:36:02 GMT -5
It is hard to know. Maybe his work was poor. Or maybe management did not like him. I assume they replace him at least for appearance sake.
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Post by jkr on Jul 13, 2016 19:36:58 GMT -5
Matt Pfeffer, who was hired by the Habs last year to be their Analytics guy, has been let go. I wonder if they'll use analytics at all, or go without next year. Well they seem to going against the grain with the trades of Eller and Subban. Really makes me wonder if they put any stock in it at all.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 13, 2016 20:01:18 GMT -5
Matt Pfeffer, who was hired by the Habs last year to be their Analytics guy, has been let go. I wonder if they'll use analytics at all, or go without next year. Well they seem to going against the grain with the trades of Eller and Subban. Really makes me wonder if they put any stock in it at all. You don't need analytics when you're a grinding hockey team.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 13, 2016 20:02:26 GMT -5
Matt Pfeffer, who was hired by the Habs last year to be their Analytics guy, has been let go. I wonder if they'll use analytics at all, or go without next year. Well they seem to going against the grain with the trades of Eller and Subban. Really makes me wonder if they put any stock in it at all. Wouldn't it be funny if the Caps and the Preds meet in the Cup final next year...
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Post by seventeen on Jul 13, 2016 20:22:14 GMT -5
MB- "I'm thinking of trading Lars Eller" Analytics Guy - "You shouldn't, he has really good stats".
MB - "I'm thinking of trading PK" AG - "You shouldn't, he has really good stats"
AG - "You wanted to see me Boss?" MB- "You ever watch The Apprentice?"
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 20, 2016 10:20:08 GMT -5
I'm just waiting for the season to start now ... Marc Bergevin must be banking on our prospect pool to add more goals ... having said that, I want to see how makes the club out of camp ... Artturi Lehkonen, Nikita Scherbak, Michael McCarron seem to be the frontrunners ... VERY want to see what the hype is all about with Andrew Shaw and Shea Weber ... want to see if Carey Price can remain healthy for the season ... want to see if Max Pacioretty takes any nights off with Weber in the room ... want to see how this team reacts once they go on a losing skid ... or, if Price goes down ... or to see who Michel Therrien throws under the bus next ... just get on with the season already ...
Cheers.
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Post by folatre on Jul 22, 2016 14:08:03 GMT -5
I was wearing a Canadiens hat at my sons tee ball game a couple of days ago and another dad, turns out he is originally Whalers fan but over time likes the Bruins, ask me what I thought of Subban trade. I said Montreal got a very good hockey player in return but not full fair value in my opinion. Then he says "well just wait Montreal is going to better this season."
I thought to myself 'better than what?' 2015-16 was 12th in conference and for me it was worse than record because many dark cold January nights the compete level was shameful. So being better than that with Carey Price in net is basically a measure of nothing.
To be better than it was before it traded Subban requires reaching Stanley Cup final because the core Bergevin and Therrien inherited made it to conference finals in 2013-14.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 24, 2016 20:43:16 GMT -5
I was wearing a Canadiens hat at my sons tee ball game a couple of days ago and another dad, turns out he is originally Whalers fan but over time likes the Bruins, ask me what I thought of Subban trade. I said Montreal got a very good hockey player in return but not full fair value in my opinion. Then he says "well just wait Montreal is going to better this season." I thought to myself 'better than what?' 2015-16 was 12th in conference and for me it was worse than record because many dark cold January nights the compete level was shameful. So being better than that with Carey Price in net is basically a measure of nothing. To be better than it was before it traded Subban requires reaching Stanley Cup final because the core Bergevin and Therrien inherited made it to conference finals in 2013-14. Just getting that PP going would be a good start ... I want to see what all the hype is over Shea Weber ... he needs to have a banner year ... the team has to be better than just Carey Price ... Cheers.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jul 25, 2016 13:28:48 GMT -5
I'm just waiting for the season to start now ... Marc Bergevin must be banking on our prospect pool to add more goals ... having said that, I want to see how makes the club out of camp ... Artturi Lehkonen, Nikita Scherbak, Michael McCarron seem to be the frontrunners ... VERY want to see what the hype is all about with Andrew Shaw and Shea Weber ... want to see if Carey Price can remain healthy for the season ... want to see if Max Pacioretty takes any nights off with Weber in the room ... want to see how this team reacts once they go on a losing skid ... or, if Price goes down ... or to see who Michel Therrien throws under the bus next ... just get on with the season already ... Cheers. I'm with you Dis. All this talk has got me very hungry for the season to start. Can't wait for October when they finally drop the frickin puck!!
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 26, 2016 8:31:40 GMT -5
I'm just waiting for the season to start now ... Marc Bergevin must be banking on our prospect pool to add more goals ... having said that, I want to see how makes the club out of camp ... Artturi Lehkonen, Nikita Scherbak, Michael McCarron seem to be the frontrunners ... VERY want to see what the hype is all about with Andrew Shaw and Shea Weber ... want to see if Carey Price can remain healthy for the season ... want to see if Max Pacioretty takes any nights off with Weber in the room ... want to see how this team reacts once they go on a losing skid ... or, if Price goes down ... or to see who Michel Therrien throws under the bus next ... just get on with the season already ... Cheers. I'm with you Dis. All this talk has got me very hungry for the season to start. Can't wait for October when they finally drop the frickin puck!! They've got a lot to prove this year (to me, anyway) ... Cheers.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jul 26, 2016 9:01:09 GMT -5
The expectations are now higher than they would have been absent the trade. There's just no way around that. I will try and stop talking about the trade, but there is a huge microscope on Weber and the rest of the team. This better work.
I didn't think we were good enough to afford giving up our best player. Our success will depend on a different formula. PK dominated just about every shift, he drove possession better than anyone else, and was on the ice for 60% of our goals last year. So it's going to look much different. Who are going to be the possession drivers? Who will be the finishers? How effective will we be on exits and entries?
Berg must be very confident in what he has and what Weber can bring or he wouldn't have done the deal, right?
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Post by folatre on Jul 28, 2016 20:50:33 GMT -5
I do not find answers to the questions you pose that convince me.
It is different now. When Bergevin regime started, he said Montreal had comparative strength as skating team and ability to make quick transitions from one zone to the next. Now there is emphasis on being heavier and harder to play against. It is year five and this is a really, finally the plan? It is year five and now same management finds new strategic direction?
For 2016-17 expectations are going to be harder to manage than before. Does the organisation top (management, coaches) to bottom (players) have enough genuine quality and personality to thrive under this pressure?
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Post by franko on Jul 28, 2016 21:29:52 GMT -5
Does the organisation top (management, coaches) to bottom (players) have enough genuine quality and personality to thrive under this pressure? does it matter? they're a grinding team after all.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 13, 2016 10:45:38 GMT -5
The only concern I have for this team this year is what they will be able to do if Carey Price goes down ... having said that, I'm hoping his knee lasts through the World Cup of Hockey ... if he gets by that tournament unscathed I'll feel a bit better about that concern and for the season ... if he does go down I don't think Marc Bergevin will have a choice but to bring in another bonafide starting goaltender ... he's got the lineup now (at least I think so) and riding Al Montoya for a large chuck of the season may equate to another reasonably high draft pick ... at this point, I mean where the team is right now, that would be unacceptable ...
Cheers.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 13, 2016 21:57:52 GMT -5
The only concern I have for this team this year is what they will be able to do if Carey Price goes down ... having said that, I'm hoping his knee lasts through the World Cup of Hockey ... if he gets by that tournament unscathed I'll feel a bit better about that concern and for the season ... if he does go down I don't think Marc Bergevin will have a choice but to bring in another bonafide starting goaltender ... he's got the lineup now (at least I think so) and riding Al Montoya for a large chuck of the season may equate to another reasonably high draft pick ... at this point, I mean where the team is right now, that would be unacceptable ... Cheers. Two concerns. 1. Price gets injured. 2. Price plays well but not a repeat of his once in a lifetime career year. Even Phelps had to settle for a silver sometimes. Price has been out for a whole year. If he plays poorly.... If he plays well but not MVP Vezina and God?
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Post by stoat on Aug 15, 2016 14:03:37 GMT -5
Shaw is also listed as a winger on Hockey's Future. I would NOT be surprised to see Shaw as 2nd line W. And our ol' pal, DD at 3rd line C. Buying-out DD would be humiliating. And we can't hurt a player's feelings. Would it hurt his feelings if he isn't re-signed? (Do we care? Besides, he's probably saved enough to fill his refrigerator for years and years.)
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Post by folatre on Aug 18, 2016 20:14:08 GMT -5
When Bergevin pardoned Therrien for worst 40 game in stretch in history of Canadiens, there was no chance Desharnais does not play for Montreal in 2016-17. Of course, his limitations are significant and most clubs rate him as borderline NHL player.
However, cap money is to be scarce in 2017-18 and it would be madness to waste resources on a new contract for Desharnais.
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Post by CentreHice on Aug 22, 2016 17:01:36 GMT -5
Didn't want to start a new thread.... NO EXCUSES is no more. LINKLet the one-liners begin!
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