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Post by BillPickles on Jun 18, 2003 23:02:12 GMT -5
I originally posted that I thought it was a bad trade idea, but pardon my ignorance. I didn't know Ruutu is such a top prospect. We'd be very lucky if that trade happened.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 19, 2003 8:32:07 GMT -5
I originally posted that I thought it was a bad trade idea, but pardon my ignorance. I didn't know Ruutu is such a top prospect. We'd be very lucky if that trade happened. Ruutu is a top prospect, but he isn't THAT much of a top prospect. We aren't talking Kovalchouk, Heately, Gaborik or Spezza here. Especially not since he has undergone several surgeries in the last couple of years. One of the sticking points in his current negotiations, is that Mike Smith is claiming Ruutu won't let him have access to his medical files, to see how his knees are recuperating. That doesn't sound too good. If he's hiding something... No way I give up that much for an injured prospect who is already proving to be a contract problem. |
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jun 19, 2003 8:57:46 GMT -5
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Post by BillPickles on Jun 19, 2003 10:40:52 GMT -5
I'm hearing a LOT of talk about LA moving up in the draft, and they're the most likely team to do so with 3 picks. Although I picked the Habs to draft Jessiman, it may well be LA leapfrogging past us and snatching him up. It wouldn't be so bad though, since we'd have a better chance of Parise slipping to 10th.
I don't see the Canadiens moving up in the draft, Savard himself said there's not much point in trading to 4-9, and the first 3 picks would probably cost too much.
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Post by haborama on Jun 19, 2003 14:45:20 GMT -5
I was tossing and turning all last night... and was awakened after a dream of the NHL Draft.
Once the 10th pick rolled along, who did we select? It was none other then Patrick O' Horton. He was 6'3" but only about 190 lbs. I believe.
A cross between Nathan Horton and Patrick O' Sullivan. I woke up wondering what the heck was going on.
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Post by BillPickles on Jun 19, 2003 15:00:09 GMT -5
I'd rather have a Zach Fleury, and have him play half the games in goal.  |
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Post by GoMtl on Jun 19, 2003 17:00:36 GMT -5
I'd rather have a Zach Fleury, and have him play half the games in goal. I thought you were gonna say have him play half the games from Rehab  Personally i wouldn't mind a Nikolai Stewart, Zherdev's offensive skills and Stewart's size and toughness. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Jun 19, 2003 22:34:42 GMT -5
as the countdown keeps winding down(we are now down to just over 37 hours now), speculation on trades involving the #1 should only increase. right now, I have the odds of Dudley dealing the pick at about 65-35. That guy deals top picks like he is assured he will get it once again next year  also, the ATL is apparently ready to deal the pick for a '' top 3 d-man who can play in all situations ''... Richard Matvichuk maybe? Phoenix has 9 NHL d-man and no first rounder...so a match could be made there... I have also been thinking and if the Kings truly want Jessiman(or someone else) and are ready to trade up to get him at 10 while we get the 13th pick and something else(or say we deal the 40th and get one of their other 2 first rounders), we should do it. At 13, we will still get a quality player. I'll assume Staal-Horton-Zherdev-Fleury-Vanek-Michalek-Coburn-Suter are the top 8...that still leaves Phaneuf, Parise, Kastsitsyn, Carter, Brown, Getzlaf and few others...a few of those guys will be there for us to pick. I would be hoping for Kastsitsyn to be there at 13 due to the health risks... Plus with the 26th or 27th overall, a guy like Bernier or Nillson or O'Sullivan could still be there and they are well worth the risk at that point. I still wouldn't do the Garon deal BC was talking about, but a 10th/40th for 13th/26th(or 27th), I would have to consider it if the Kings came calling with such an offer. |
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Post by GoMtl on Jun 20, 2003 6:28:35 GMT -5
I still wouldn't do the Garon deal BC was talking about, but a 10th/40th for 13th/26th(or 27th), I would have to consider it if the Kings came calling with such an offer. Yes Marc that is a nice deal, as i've said before. Vancouver is said to be looking for some 2nd line talent for either their 1st or 2nd round pick... Anyone willing to put up Hossa and our 40th pick for their 1st (21st overall) and a guy like Chubarov or Cooke? Personally i'd like to do that, but i'm not sure if Hossa fits their needs. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Jun 20, 2003 7:57:26 GMT -5
first of all, Matt, posting at 4 am is not good for your health 2nd, Vancouver wants to acquire a center...not deal one. |
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Post by Marvin on Jun 20, 2003 8:25:48 GMT -5
For what it's worth, here's how the Calgary Herald sees the 1st Round of the Draft going:
1. Florida - Staal
2. Carolina - Fleury
3. Pittsburg - Zherdov
4. Columbus - Michalek
5. Buffalo - Horton
6. San Jose - D Brown
7. Nashville - Coburn
8. Atlanta - Phaneuf
9. Calgary - Suter
10. Montreal - Vanek
11. Philadelphia - Getzlaf
12. NYR - Kastsitsyn
13. LA - Bernier
14. Chicago - Parise
15. NYI - Nilsson
16. Boston - Stuart
17. Edmonton - Glazachev
18. Washington - Fritsche
19. Anaheim - Stewart
20. Minnesota - Jessiman
21. San Jose - Pouliot
22. NJ - Carter
23. Vancouver - O'Sullivan
24. Philadelphia - Kessler
25. Tampa Bay - Fehr
26. LA - Seabrooke
27. LA - Stone
28. Dallas - Klein
29. Ottawa - Tambellini
30. STL - Howard
Regards,
MARVIN
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Post by MPLABBE on Jun 20, 2003 8:28:24 GMT -5
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Post by MPLABBE on Jun 20, 2003 10:00:54 GMT -5
someone to keep an eye on as a potential 2nd rounder:
From USA Today Interview with Red Line Editor Kyle Woodlief
SUPER SLEEPER:
Konstantin Pushkarov— The biggest surprise at the season-ending World Under-18 Championship tournament. It's not easy to be noticed playing for Kazakhstan, but when you lead the entire tournament in goals (9) for a team that scored only 18 total, that will get you noticed. Has good size, hockey sense, and offensive instincts, and deadly touch around net. Can score in a variety of ways. Until just a few days ago, it was thought that he had not filed his opt-in paperwork and would not be eligible for this year's draft. But apparently he is now in and could well be the draft's biggest wildcard.
But Konstantin Pushkarov (who Red Line had ranked at No. 46 prior to removing him from our list) somehow managed to get into the draft late, so he is going to be a huge wildcard come Saturday. Some team will look to steal him late in the first round.
Just my thoughts...
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jun 20, 2003 10:56:58 GMT -5
According to that we draft Bo, er, Milan Michalek. |
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Post by Thomas on Jun 20, 2003 11:06:08 GMT -5
Another Mock Draft
La Presse - Mathias Brunet
1 - Eric Staal
2 - Marc-Andre Fleury
3 - Nathan Horton
4 - Nikolai Zherdev
5 - Milan Michalek
6 - Ryan Suter
7 - Baydon Coburn
8 - Dion Phaneuf
9 - Ryan Getzlaf
10 - Andrei Kastsitsyn
11 - Zach Parise
12 - Thomas Vanek
13 - Marc-Antoine Pouliot
14 - Dustin Brown
15 - Konstantin Glazachev
16 - Jeff Carter
17 - Robert Nilsson
18 - Ryan Kesler
19 - Anthony Stewart
20 - Patrick O'Sullivan
21 - Steve Bernier
22 - Mark Stuart
23 - Hugh Jessiman
24 - Richard Stehlik
25 - Jeff Tambellini
26 - Dan Fritsche
27 - Brent Seabrook
28 - Corey Perry
29 - Eric Fehr
30 - Kevin Klein
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He gives some info on each players but I don't have the time to translate and post them (might be on the net)
Vanek going at 12 seems odd, I would maybe switch Michalek and Vanek here. I don't see Jessiman going past #13 from Woodliefs comments maybe switch him with Pouliot, but or else everything seems ok.
Drafting Kastsitsyn is fine by me.
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Post by StickHandler on Jun 20, 2003 11:09:30 GMT -5
I was tossing and turning all last night... and was awakened after a dream of the NHL Draft. Once the 10th pick rolled along, who did we select? It was none other then Patrick O' Horton. He was 6'3" but only about 190 lbs. I believe. A cross between Nathan Horton and Patrick O' Sullivan. I woke up wondering what the heck was going on. Dreaming about the draft? Whoa! I think you might be taking this a little too seriously bud! |
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Post by StickHandler on Jun 20, 2003 11:11:29 GMT -5
first of all, Matt, posting at 4 am is not good for your health Neither is spending 12 hours and posting 100 times a day on this board Marc... ;D Aaah... To be young again with all that free time... |
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Post by MPLABBE on Jun 20, 2003 11:16:27 GMT -5
Neither is spending 12 hours and posting 100 times a day on this board Marc... ;D Aaah... To be young again with all that free time... at least I get some sleep in. |
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Post by StickHandler on Jun 20, 2003 11:22:07 GMT -5
at least I get some sleep in. True enough. Do you also dream of the draft like haborama? |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 20, 2003 11:25:06 GMT -5
If my expectations mean anything, Bernier will drop into the late second round and be taken by Detroit.........................
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Post by MPLABBE on Jun 20, 2003 11:26:25 GMT -5
If my expectations mean anything, Bernier will drop into the late second round and be taken by Detroit......................... oh boy....  Stick, no I don't..in fact I never remember my dreams ;D |
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Post by Lord Stanley on Jun 20, 2003 12:17:34 GMT -5
Another Mock Draft La Presse - Mathias Brunet 1 - Eric Staal 2 - Marc-Andre Fleury 3 - Nathan Horton 4 - Nikolai Zherdev 5 - Milan Michalek 6 - Ryan Suter 7 - Baydon Coburn 8 - Dion Phaneuf 9 - Ryan Getzlaf 10 - Andrei Kastsitsyn 11 - Zach Parise 12 - Thomas Vanek 13 - Marc-Antoine Pouliot 14 - Dustin Brown 15 - Konstantin Glazachev 16 - Jeff Carter 17 - Robert Nilsson 18 - Ryan Kesler 19 - Anthony Stewart 20 - Patrick O'Sullivan 21 - Steve Bernier 22 - Mark Stuart 23 - Hugh Jessiman 24 - Richard Stehlik 25 - Jeff Tambellini 26 - Dan Fritsche 27 - Brent Seabrook 28 - Corey Perry 29 - Eric Fehr 30 - Kevin Klein ------------------------------------------ He gives some info on each players but I don't have the time to translate and post them (might be on the net) Vanek going at 12 seems odd, I would maybe switch Michalek and Vanek here. I don't see Jessiman going past #13 from Woodliefs comments maybe switch him with Pouliot, but or else everything seems ok. Drafting Kastsitsyn is fine by me. Yeah I have read that..I love Mathias brunet..he is very good..and I really think he reads this board (Salut Mathias) or he knows H F in LA for sure..I will translate his opinion of Steve Bernier for you guys since it's worth it.. "Steve Bernier, RW, 6"3 233 LBS. A lot of Canadiens fans dream of seeing him join the Montreal Organisation. Bernier is Sturdy but also has a rare scoring talent. His skating is still a weakness but it's getting better. It's unfortunate that the Habs don't have a lower 1st round pick, unless...." LA are you Mathias Brunet |
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Post by MPLABBE on Jun 20, 2003 12:18:56 GMT -5
agreed, Brunet has to be one the best journalist covering the Habs..if not the best.
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Post by StickHandler on Jun 20, 2003 13:32:27 GMT -5
If my expectations mean anything, Bernier will drop into the late second round and be taken by Detroit......................... You're talking about Marc-André right? |
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Post by GoMtl on Jun 20, 2003 16:07:39 GMT -5
hmm. Brunet thinks Vanek will slide to 12... He's one guy i would have an extremely hard time passing up.
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Post by haborama on Jun 20, 2003 17:31:40 GMT -5
True enough. Do you also dream of the draft like haborama? Hey, at least I'm not a comic book enthusiast. I thought they were for little boys to bring out under their covers with the flashlight after their mommy tucks them in. Anyways, I'd be very happy if we got any of Parise, Kastsitsyn, Phaneuf and Brown. But who am I to criticize if we pick someone like Getzlaf or Jessiman at 10? The fact is these guys know a lot more than we do about these prospects. |
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Post by PTH on Jun 20, 2003 17:52:08 GMT -5
Anyways, I'd be very happy if we got any of Parise, Kastsitsyn, Phaneuf and Brown. But who am I to criticize if we pick someone like Getzlaf or Jessiman at 10? The fact is these guys know a lot more than we do about these prospects. Which is why I've stopped following the draft all that closely. I'll read up on whoever we pick afterwards. Yet we have to keep in mind that even though we only follow 1 guy closely, the other guys who are picked can work out just as well. Sometimes I think we forget that other teams have comparable stables of prospects... |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jun 20, 2003 18:25:53 GMT -5
Which is why I've stopped following the draft all that closely. I'll read up on whoever we pick afterwards. Yet we have to keep in mind that even though we only follow 1 guy closely, the other guys who are picked can work out just as well. Sometimes I think we forget that other teams have comparable stables of prospects... No. Our prospects are the best. They will all be NHLers, and half of them will be all-star calibre. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Jun 20, 2003 21:29:23 GMT -5
Pic of the top prospects:  Top ranked juniors Eric Staal (front row, 2nd from right), from the Petereborough Petes, and the rest of the top prospects pose for the cameras with the Calder Trophy for best rookie at the NHL prospects luncheon in Nashville, Tenn. on Friday, June 20, 2003. Staal is expected to be one of the first picks in tomorrow's NHL Entry Draft. (CP PHOTO/Ryan Remiorz) Kastsitsyn is in the middle of the 2nd row..holy crap his arms look huge  |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 21, 2003 2:24:45 GMT -5
Holy Smokes! The guy in the 2nd row, far left column looks like Reggie Houle! |
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Personally i wouldn't mind a Nikolai Stewart, Zherdev's offensive skills and Stewart's size and toughness.
