Habs prospects in Europe update thread

[MPLABBE]

This is gonna be tougher to update than the CHL one, but updates on these following prospects would be wicked during the season:

Andrei Kostitsyn
Christopher Heino-Lind
Oskari Korpikari
Jaroslav Halak
Tomas Linhart
Konstantin Korneev
Johan Eneqvist
Joni Puurula
Vadim Tarasov
Alex Buturlin
Kim Staal


If I forgot anyone..tell me !

[BadCompany]

CSKA played their first RSL game today, a 5-0 victory...

Unfortunately, Kostsityin didn't play (I'm gonna butcher that name for years). I don't know if that means he was demoted, or just not dressed. Zherdev played, no points.

Korneev also played, for the losing the team. Obviously no points...

[BadCompany]

Oh, happy day! Finally some positive news on Kostitsyin! After sitting out CSKA's first couple of games, making me wonder if he had been demoted or not, Killer Kat made his first appearance of the year in a Super League uniform, a 2-0 victory over Mettalurg. Not only did AK-32 play, but he assisted on the first (game winning) goal, by some guy named Zherdev, or something.

Anyways, good to see Kat, is with the big team, and playing. I don't know how well he played, or what the buzz is on him (Tattac?), but for now, his Super League stats read 1 GP, 1 point.

Point a game baby!

[MPLABBE]

thanks for the update BC. Where are you finding these scores ?

[montreal]

Marc, it's up to you, but I'd take Staal off the list. He's a '96 pick and he recently signed a new deal which I think is a lot closer to his hometown. Either way at 26, this may have been the year to bring him over, so it's looking like it's not going to happen.

But if you want to cover them all, Andrei Kruchinin picked up an assist in the RSL, after playing in the high league last yer ( think)

[BadCompany]

Marc said:

thanks for the update BC. Where are you finding these scores ?

Using the home page link that Tattac provided:

www.cska-hockey.ru/?news

You can also check out Russian Super League games on-line, in progress, here:

www.phl.ru/ru/alltranslations.asp

but rather than scrolling through the list of games, if you just want to follow Kostistyin, go to the home page, and on the right hand side, click the provided phl.ru link. Assuming the game is in progress, you will be taken to live updates (penalties, scores, rosters).

CSKA lost again today, a 4-0 shut-out (against former Hab Miloslav Guren). Kostistyin played, but obviously didn't get any points.

2 GP, 1 point. He's slumping!!!

Also found an CSKA-2 Upper League game that he played in, a 7-3 win. But he didn't get any points. Seems to have played well though, I guess, as he was called up after that...

[Rimmer]

BadCompany said:

CSKA lost again today...

what do you mean 'again'? I thought they only played 3 games, winning the first two (Ak Bars, Metallurg Nk) and losing the last one to Sibir (the game you mentioned). were there any other cup games?

R.

[BadCompany]

Rimmer said:

what do you mean 'again'? I thought they only played 3 games, winning the first two (Ak Bars, Metallurg Nk) and losing the last one to Sibir (the game you mentioned). were there any other cup games?

R.

Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression - I think there was a game in there that I didn't post about (as Kostistyin didn't play).

Lets see:

Season opener: 5-0 win (no Kat)

2nd game: 4-1 loss (no Kat)

3rd game: 2-0 win (1 pt for Kat)

4th game: 4-0 loss (no pts for Kat)

So, they've played 4 games, 2-2 record, 1-1 when Kostitsyin plays.

That's if I'm reading it right, that is. Didn't plan on giving a daily CSKA update.

[MPLABBE]

Thanks BC.

[Rimmer]

sorry BC, mea culpa. I was confused by the table on that site which I suppose hasn't been updated yet and shows CSKA had played only 3 games so far. I searched through the schedule and found that they indeed lost their second game at home to Neftekhimik Nizhnekamsk (1-4). I shall never doubt you again, oh wise one!

R.

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

In a game played Monday (September 15th) CSKA defeated Tarasov's team (Metallurgist Novokuznetsk) 1-0. Kostitsyn picked up an assist on the lone goal.

- hock.ru/p/0/627.htm (thanks to Rimmer for the link)

CSKA Super League games as of September 15th

Ak Bar - 5-0 win
Metallurgist (Novokuznetsk) - 2-0 win
Khimik (Nijhnekamsk) - 1-4 loss
Metallurgist (Novokuznetsk) - 1-0 win

For a 3-1 record and a share of second place in the 16 team league with five other clubs.

- hock.ru/s/table.htm

Apparently Tarasov didn't get to play a single minute for Team Russia in the recent tournament in the Czech Republic. However, regarding the above mentioned game against CSKA, Tikhonov (who also coaches Team Russia) said, "He constantly rescued his team in those moments when their defenders stood around slack-jawed".

[Rimmer]

mr said:

In a game played Monday (September 15th) CSKA defeated Tarasov's team (Metallurgist Novokuznetsk) 1-0. Kostitsyn picked up an assist on the lone goal.

- hock.ru/p/0/627.htm (thanks to Rimmer for the link)

CSKA Super League games as of September 15th

Ak Bar - 5-0 win
Metallurgist (Novokuznetsk) - 2-0 win
Khimik (Nijhnekamsk) - 1-4 loss
Metallurgist (Novokuznetsk) - 1-0 win

For a 3-1 record and a share of second place in the 16 team league with five other clubs.

- hock.ru/s/table.htm

Apparently Tarasov didn't get to play a single minute for Team Russia in the recent tournament in the Czech Republic. However, regarding the above mentioned game against CSKA, Tikhonov (who also coaches Team Russia) said, "He constantly rescued his team in those moments when their defenders stood around slack-jawed".

thanks for the translation mr. B., much appreciated.

I'll have to correct you on some things, though. I don't know how all this confusion arose (actually, the problems might be in the not-updated standings on more than one site:
hock.ru/s/table.htm and www.cska-hockey.ru/?table)
but I think the games were played as I mentioned in my previous posts:

10.09. CSKA - Ak Bars Kazan 5:0
12.09. CSKA - Neftekhimik Nizhnekamsk 1:4
15.09. Metallurg Novokuznetsk - CSKA 0:2
17.09. Sibir Novosibirsk - CSKA 4:0

www.cska-hockey.ru/?schedule
www.eurohockey.net/ru/

that would make it 2 wins and 2 losses for CSKA in 4 matches so far but I can't tell for sure where that places them in the standings. the problem is I cannot reach their official site www.fhr.ru/ to verify anything or to se the updated table.

R.

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

Rimmer,

You're welcome. However, the link you provided me clearly delineates CSKA as having defeated Metallurgist (Novokuznetsk) by a 1-0 score on September 15th.

- hock.ru/p/0/627.htm

Paging Tattac, paging Tattac!!! I'll email her later (she is very busy at work these days) and see if she can set us straight on what the reality is.

[Rimmer]

mr said:

Rimmer,

You're welcome. However, the link you provided me clearly delineates CSKA as having defeated Metallurgist (Novokuznetsk) by a 1-0 score on September 15th.

- hock.ru/p/0/627.htm

I'm sorry but I don't see how. on the top of the page it says:
ÌÅÒÀËËÓÐÃ Íê - ÖÑÊÀ - 0:2 (0:0, 0:1, 0:1)

EDIT: the above is a result of the transformation of the original cyrillic (sp?) signs. it says Metallurg - CSKA

the other page on the same site has all the results listed in this table:

hock.ru/s/results.htm

you can see that there was only one game played between the two clubs so far and it ended with CSKA winning 2:0 on the road.

am I missing something?

R.

[Wildcat]

I often use gazeta.ru to check on the latest results of teams other than CSKA. They have the results for that day and the standings.

Here's the link:
www.gazeta.ru/sport/results/hockey.shtml

[MPLABBE]

Wildcat said:

I often use gazeta.ru to check on the latest results of teams other than CSKA. They have the results for that day and the standings.

Here's the link:
www.gazeta.ru/sport/results/hockey.shtml

welcome aboard wildcat.

[Wildcat]

Thanks, Marc. Just another lurker making his first post.

Here's some links to some of our Russian prospect's web sites if your interested in adding them to your original post for all to see.

Andrei Kostitsyn -- CSKA (Moscow) -- www.cska-hockey.ru
Konstantin Korneev -- Ak Bars (Kazan) -- www.ak-bars.ru
Alex Buturlin -- Lada (Tolyatti) -- www.hclada.ru
Vadim Tarasov -- Metallurg (Novokuznetsk)

Couldn't find Tarasov's team page. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the other prospects could provide links to their team page before I go scouring the net for them.

[NWTHabsFan]

Wildcat said:

Thanks, Marc. Just another lurker making his first post.

Here's some links to some of our Russian prospect's web sites if your interested in adding them to your original post for all to see.

Andrei Kostitsyn -- CSKA (Moscow) -- www.cska-hockey.ru
Konstantin Korneev -- Ak Bars (Kazan) -- www.ak-bars.ru
Alex Buturlin -- Lada (Tolyatti) -- www.hclada.ru
Vadim Tarasov -- Metallurg (Novokuznetsk)

Couldn't find Tarasov's team page. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the other prospects could provide links to their team page before I go scouring the net for them.

Good info, thanks for the research and welcome aboard!!

[Rimmer]

here's the link for Metallurg Novokuznetsk (don't think it's an official one, though)

www.nvkz.kuzbass.net/metallurg/

R.

p.s.
welcome aboard, wildcat and thanks for the link.

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

Thanks Rimmer and Wildcat, for the info. It seems that the Gazette site is pretty authoritative in terms of RSL standing.

Btw, Wildcat are you Russian, living in Russia?

Do please keep forwarding Russian links to this board. Either Tattac (work permitting) or myself (time permitting) will get around to providing translation. If there are any native Russian speakers out there who wouldn't mind contributing translation, that would be great. I don't pretend to be conversant in Pushkin's language. I know the alphabet, but rely on machine translation and heavy editing to make sense of articles. My efforts have received a thumbs up from Tattac (who is a Muscovite), but the process can be quite time consuming. So help, if available, is appreciated.

[Rimmer]

mr. B, what's your connection to russian? are you of russian descent or you used to learn russian in school? or are you just good with translations?

R.

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

Rimmer said:

mr. B, what's your connection to russian? are you of russian descent or you used to learn russian in school? or are you just good with translations?

R.

My parents fled Estonia during WWII. They lived as refugees in England, until emigrating to Canada at the conclusion of the war. To be precise, Montréal, where I was born and grew up. I am first generation Canadian. My parents spoke Estonian, German, Russian, and eventually English. My maternal grandmother was a St Petersburg (Russia, not Florida ) German. Growing up in an immigrant household and neighbourhood my ear became accustiomed to hearing different languages and accents.

[Rimmer]

mr said:

My parents fled Estonia during WWII. They lived as refugees in England, until emigrating to Canada at the conclusion of the war. To be precise, Montréal, where I was born and grew up. I am first generation Canadian. My parents spoke Estonian, German, Russian, and eventually English. My maternal grandmother was a St Petersburg (Russia, not Florida ) German. Growing up in an immigrant household and neighbourhood my ear became accustiomed to hearing different languages and accents.

wow, you're a walking translating machine! isn't Estonian from the same group of languages as finnish? could we expect some translated texts about our finninsh prospects? just kidding...

I do understand a bit (a little bit) of russian as some words are similar to croatian but the cyrillic (sp?) letters characteristic to russian are killing me (for example, I can read serbian quite well although they too use cyrillic letters).

R.

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

Rimmer said:

wow, you're a walking translating machine! isn't Estonian from the same group of languages as finnish? could we expect some translated texts about our finninsh prospects? just kidding...

I do understand a bit (a little bit) of russian as some words are similar to croatian but the cyrillic (sp?) letters characteristic to russian are killing me (for example, I can read serbian quite well although they too use cyrillic letters).

R.

Ah, but you know how it often goes with immigrant children in their desire to fit in. They can turn their back on their roots.

Estonian is indeed related to Finnish. We are cousin languages with enormous similarities in our lexicons. Estonian, Finnish and Magyar (Hungarian) are all related. They are Finno-Ugric languages, i.e. non-Indo-European, and thus have no shared ancestry with Slavic languages to the East and South or to Teutonic/Nordic and Romance languages to the West.

The Finno-Ugric peoples originally inhabited what is now called Korea. Over centuries, millenia ago, they migrated north and then west across Siberia, and then south through Finland, across the water through Estonia, and finally had their advance stopped by the southern Slavs in what is now called Hungary. I could go on, but I think this suffices...

P.S. Estonian, Swedish, Russian and German blood flow through my veins. The legacy of nation no larger than a mid-sized American city. But still there!

[Rimmer]

mr said:

Ah, but you know how it often goes with immigrant children in their desire to fit in. They can turn their back on their roots.

Estonian is indeed related to Finnish. We are cousin languages with enormous similarities in our lexicons. Estonian, Finnish and Magyar (Hungarian) are all related. They are Finno-Ugric languages, i.e. non-Indo-European, and thus have no shared ancestry with Slavic languages to the East and South or to Teutonic/Nordic and Romance languages to the West.

The Finno-Ugric peoples originally inhabited what is now called Korea. Over centuries, millenia ago, they migrated north and then west across Siberia, and then south through Finland, across the water through Estonia, and finally had their advance stopped by the southern Slavs in what is now called Hungary. I could go on, but I think this suffices...

thank you, I know all that very well as the 'southern Slavs that stopped them' were none other than Croats. not for long though, as we (the Croats) were forced to accept the Hungarian ruler as our king in 1102. so we became a part of a joined kingdom. we regained our independence almost 900 years later.

ah, this reminds me of my school days...sigh

R.

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

Oh dear, I was hoping I wouldn't have to mention the Turks...

Anyway, history aside, we are here now, and hopefully do not repeat or contribute to a repitition of past blunders.

Estonians, and I think this is some culturally self-promoting propaganda, are supposed to be natural-born linguists. What, with the language having been described as "bird-song given human voice". It is, however a devilishly difficult tongue to learn, some say as hard as Chinese or Japanese for a Westerner. Nonetheless, everything is pronounced as written, unlike English, where...

Btw, with the dissolution of the Soviet Empire Estonia passed its own version of le loi 101, which of course has made things difficult for many Russians who settled there during the good old days.

To quote you-know-who: "Human beings, what a concept!"

P.S. Christianity wasn't hammered into us until the 15th-16th centuries. We still celebrate our traditional holy days.

[PTH]

mr said:

Btw, with the dissolution of the Soviet Empire Estonia passed its own version of le loi 101, which of course has made things difficult for many Russians who settled there during the good old days.

That would be "la loi 101", and it's good to see other minorities protecting themselves.

P.S. Christianity wasn't hammered into us until the 15th-16th centuries. We still celebrate our traditional holy days.

I'd be really curious to know what they are.

[PTH]

mr said:

My maternal grandmother was a St Petersburg (Russia, not Florida ) German.

Is she one of those was was born in St-Petersburg, grew up in Petrograd, grew old in Leningrad, and passed away in St-Petersburg, without ever moving ?

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

PTH said:

I'd be really curious to know what they are.

If you have the time and inclination, much information is contained here:

www.einst.ee/publications/cult_history/

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

PTH said:

Is she one of those was was born in St-Petersburg, grew up in Petrograd, grew old in Leningrad, and passed away in St-Petersburg, without ever moving ?

She was born into a family that had been resident in St Petersburg shortly after Catherine's reign. More about the city's origins here:

www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/history_culture/history/catherine.html

My paternal grandfather was a native Estonian, an architect and engineer by profession, who was commissioned by Tsar Nikolai to survey the route for the trans-Siberian railroad.

My father's side were native Estonian kulaks (well-to-do farmers). His father was a political activist advocating Estonian self-determination. My father, at the age of 17, witnessed the Red Army murdering his entire family by firing squad when he returned from a day's work in the fields. He fled and joined the partisans in the woods, who sniped equally at the Germans and Russians who were trespassing on his native land.

He and a couple of buddies escaped in rowboat, and were halfway across the Baltic Sea to Finland before they were captured by a Soviet patrol. They thought it was curtains then and there. But as irony would have it he was imprisoned in Tallinn's (capitol city of Estonia) swankiest hotel, which the Soviets had commandeered. A hotel that his, at the time unknown, future father-in-law had designed. Irony. And yeah, he never did finish high school.