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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 22, 2009 11:38:36 GMT -5
This actually from a another Forum (french). I wouldn't normally bother to post internet gossips but (1) it's kind of slow and (2) those guys announced the sale of the team 2 days before the main media outlets (could be luck mind you) so they seem to have some insides...
Anyways here it goes:
#1: Lecavalier is a done deal. Plekanec, Higgins, Habs first, Hammer, Georges going the other way. Vinny, St-Louis, Ranger coming back.
#2: This trade triggered contract offers to Tanguay, Komisarek and Kovalev.
There.
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Post by Polarice on Jun 22, 2009 11:45:06 GMT -5
Wow!! I'd take that trade in a second!!!
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 22, 2009 11:48:44 GMT -5
Wow!! I'd take that trade in a second!!! it is very lopsided in our favor but I'm reporting as I read it... |
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Post by Polarice on Jun 22, 2009 11:53:50 GMT -5
Well if Tampa is trying to knock off some payroll thats one way of doing it!! I would imagine we'd have another prospect thrown in there some where.
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Post by CrocRob on Jun 22, 2009 12:01:05 GMT -5
That's horribly lopsided, and means we'll need to sign FOUR defensemen before next season. Markov, Ranger, ..... O'Byrne?
We might look better up front, but our back end will be desperate for help. If this goes down Price is going to have a heck of a rough season.
And I don't really buy that the trade triggered offers to all of Tanguay, Kovalev and Komisarek.
Definitely a slow day.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 22, 2009 14:18:46 GMT -5
I hate to be the burden of bad news ... but someone try to fit that trade under our cap and sign Kovalev, Tanguay and Komisarek ... it can't be done. Montreal currently has 23 milion committed to 11 players. Vinny+St.Louis+Ranger = 14 million (13 million to VL and MSL alone). So we'd have 47 million on 14 players. We'd have 7 million + the 6.5 million for dumping Hammer and Gorges, so 13.5 million to sign Kovalev, Tanguay, and Komisarek?  Does anyone really think that 13.5 million is going to get them + all the other guys we have to sign to get a full roster!!?? Kovalev is gonna take 4 - 4.5. Tanguay's cap-hit was 5.25 last year, he is not taking that much a loss to stay in our zoo , And Komi is going to get 4-5 million minimum on the open market. I am highly skeptical that we will start the season with only 17 players under contract. |
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Post by The New Guy on Jun 22, 2009 14:21:48 GMT -5
That would be a very lopsided trade if that happens. It would certainly change the way our team looked next season:
Tanguay (?) - Lecavalier - Kovalev (?)
A. Kostitsyn - Koivu (?) - St. Louis
Latendresse - Lapierre - Kostopolous (?)
Stewart - Metropolit - Laraque
Of course on defense you'd be weaker, but many that's an imposing group of offense. Kovalev would be killer on that line (defences would have to play off him to contain Tanguay-Lecavalier giving him lots of room to dipsy-doodle).
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Post by Polarice on Jun 22, 2009 14:34:42 GMT -5
That would be a very lopsided trade if that happens. It would certainly change the way our team looked next season: Tanguay (?) - Lecavalier - Kovalev (?) A. Kostitsyn - Koivu (?) - St. Louis Latendresse - Lapierre - Kostopolous (?) Stewart - Metropolit - Laraque Of course on defense you'd be weaker, but many that's an imposing group of offense. Kovalev would be killer on that line (defences would have to play off him to contain Tanguay-Lecavalier giving him lots of room to dipsy-doodle). I'd put that first line up against any fist line in the league. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 22, 2009 14:45:52 GMT -5
TB does need help on D but why would they trade their top 2 forwards? One of them maybe, but both, I can't see it. They are likely to get a top flight D prospect in Hedman on Friday as well.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 22, 2009 14:48:58 GMT -5
TB does need help on D but why would they trade their top 2 forwards? One of them maybe, but both, I can't see it. They are likely to get a top flight D prospect in Hedman on Friday as well. Purely for payroll reduction purpose IMO... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 22, 2009 15:11:40 GMT -5
I hate to be the burden of bad news ... but someone try to fit that trade under our cap and sign Kovalev, Tanguay and Komisarek ... it can't be done. Montreal currently has 23 milion committed to 11 players. Vinny+St.Louis+Ranger = 14 million (13 million to VL and MSL alone). So we'd have 47 million on 14 players. Skilly, the guys normall don't give me the scorecard in golf for good reason ... so, this is taking a lot for me to do. 11 players @ 23 million
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3 more players @ 14 million
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14 players @ 37 million
Hard to say really. We'd be losing two starting defencemen and if what some journalists are speculating is true, Komisarek will be the third if he does, in fact, walk away. And if Vinny does come on board, does that mean we free up Koivu's salary as well? Is their room for Koivu and Lecavalier? Is there room for Lecavalier with the "C" and Kovalev without the "C." Same issues with Koivu and Kovalev me thinks. Cheers. |
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 22, 2009 15:25:05 GMT -5
I hate to be the burden of bad news ... but someone try to fit that trade under our cap and sign Kovalev, Tanguay and Komisarek ... it can't be done. Montreal currently has 23 milion committed to 11 players. Vinny+St.Louis+Ranger = 14 million (13 million to VL and MSL alone). So we'd have 47 million on 14 players. We'd have 7 million + the 6.5 million for dumping Hammer and Gorges, so 13.5 million to sign Kovalev, Tanguay, and Komisarek? Does anyone really think that 13.5 million is going to get them + all the other guys we have to sign to get a full roster!!?? Kovalev is gonna take 4 - 4.5. Tanguay's cap-hit was 5.25 last year, he is not taking that much a loss to stay in our zoo , And Komi is going to get 4-5 million minimum on the open market. I am highly skeptical that we will start the season with only 17 players under contract. I don’t know Skilly, are we looking at the same numbers? Because I figure it this way: St. Louis (5.25) – Lecavalier (7.27) – Andrei (3.25) Tanguay * (4.5) – Koivu* (3) – Kovalev (4) Pacioretty (.875) – Lapierre (.688) – Latendresse (1.5) Stewart (.7) – Metropolit (1) – Sergie (.817) Laraque (1.5) Markov (5.75) – Komisarek* (4) Beauchemin (4) – Ranger* (.933) Schneider* (1) – O’Byrne (.725) Bouillon* (1) Price (.850) Halak (.775) Total cap hit of $53.38 million. Not that I put much stock in the rumor, but that’s more than doable, for next year anyways. Sort of screws us over for the year after, mind you, when the cap is supposed to drop considerably, but who pays attention to things that far in the future? * Players who will have to take a paycut, and/or less than what they could *possibly* get on the open market. But then if they do walk we simply replace them with 2nd tier free agents. Lang instead of Koivu, for example, Oduya instead of Komisarek, and so on… EDIT: Ah, I see Dis already crunched some numbers... read the thread first... read the thread first... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 22, 2009 16:33:19 GMT -5
EDIT: Ah, I see Dis already crunched some numbers... read the thread first... read the thread first... Still won't take the scorecard though. Something about sun and beer mixing ... that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 22, 2009 16:47:18 GMT -5
I don’t know Skilly, are we looking at the same numbers? Because I figure it this way: St. Louis (5.25) – Lecavalier (7.27) – Andrei (3.25) Tanguay * (4.5) – Koivu* (3) – Kovalev (4) Pacioretty (.875) – Lapierre (.688) – Latendresse (1.5) Stewart (.7) – Metropolit (1) – Sergie (.817) Laraque (1.5) Markov (5.75) – Komisarek* (4) Beauchemin (4) – Ranger* (.933) Schneider* (1) – O’Byrne (.725) Bouillon* (1) Price (.850) Halak (.775) Total cap hit of $53.38 million. Not that I put much stock in the rumor, but that’s more than doable, for next year anyways. Sort of screws us over for the year after, mind you, when the cap is supposed to drop considerably, but who pays attention to things that far in the future? * Players who will have to take a paycut, and/or less than what they could *possibly* get on the open market. But then if they do walk we simply replace them with 2nd tier free agents. Lang instead of Koivu, for example, Oduya instead of Komisarek, and so on… EDIT: Ah, I see Dis already crunched some numbers... read the thread first... read the thread first... You are asking Tanguay to take a hit of almost 1 million ... Koivu to take a hit of 1.75 million and Kovalev takes a 0.5M hit. In my opinion, there is 3 million there that is highly questionable. I still dont see it as workable ... But lets see Bob prove me wrong. We can speculate about who will take what, but the final word about that is the player, and I don't see players taking the cuts some are suggesting. Sure we go for a plan B ... we've been down that road before havent' we? PLan B turns into Plan R ... and we end up with the brown end of the stick. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 22, 2009 16:48:37 GMT -5
Skilly, the guys normall don't give me the scorecard in golf for good reason ... so, this is taking a lot for me to do. 11 players @ 23 million
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14 players @ 37 million
oops ..  I still dont see how we can do it though ... |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 22, 2009 18:01:28 GMT -5
Koivu can be replaced by a center from Hamilton. Kovalev won't sign for $4 million so he's gone. He's worth more to other teams that will give him the kind of linemates he needs.
That frees up cap space, but it falls into the thousands of Lecavalier rumors that never came true.
Better rumor is Lever will be replaced in Hamilton by Kim Jung Ill.
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Post by HFTO on Jun 22, 2009 20:50:34 GMT -5
Of the all the guys willing to take a haircut I'd bet on Kovalev especially if they give him term say four years.
He's on record as wanting to stay and unless he wants to go to a lesser market that needs to spend to the floor I don't see alot of top tier teams spending 4 or 4+ for an iffy 60 pt guy that is aging,and if he becomes disintrested a pretty big risk.
I maybe be wrong but I could see Kovy taking a 3-3.5 avg salary for four,to stay where he comfortable.
As far as that rumour goes I 'd love it especially since I'll be in town for the draft the buzz would be off the charts.
HFTO
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Post by cigarviper on Jun 22, 2009 21:48:35 GMT -5
We may be witness to a thorough house cleaning and a new approach from top to bottom. I can see Martin wanting his minor league players playing a similar style to be able to assimiliate them quicker. I think this has already been said though.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 23, 2009 1:21:42 GMT -5
Skilly, the guys normall don't give me the scorecard in golf for good reason ... so, this is taking a lot for me to do. 11 players @ 23 million
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14 players @ 37 million
oops .. I still dont see how we can do it though ... And you say you're an engineer? With a malfunctioning calculator, of course. I saw a job resume' today. No kidding, the applicant had a previous job down as a fuel transfer engineer. At Petro Can, I think. The gas station. Seriously. Chutzpah. |
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Post by Andrew on Jun 23, 2009 1:52:46 GMT -5
Here's an interesting tidbit from a Tampa newspaper, regarding the relationship betweeen Tampa owners Koules, and Barrie. Apparently Bettman will be meeting with them on Tuesday to help settle their differences. "The talk is that Koules wants to keep Lawton as GM, wants to trade Lecavalier to get out from under his $85 million contract and wants to pare the payroll to the low $40 million range. Barrie is not as solidly behind Lawton, wants to build around Lecavalier and is in favor of signing some free agents to get the payroll closer to $50 million." www.tampabay.com/sports/hockey/lightning/article1012505.eceI wonder who Gary sides with in this one. Either way, sounds like anything but a done deal as long as Barrie is in the picture. |
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Post by cigarviper on Jun 23, 2009 6:30:22 GMT -5
Here's an interesting tidbit from a Tampa newspaper, regarding the relationship betweeen Tampa owners Koules, and Barrie. Apparently Bettman will be meeting with them on Tuesday to help settle their differences. "The talk is that Koules wants to keep Lawton as GM, wants to trade Lecavalier to get out from under his $85 million contract and wants to pare the payroll to the low $40 million range. Barrie is not as solidly behind Lawton, wants to build around Lecavalier and is in favor of signing some free agents to get the payroll closer to $50 million." www.tampabay.com/sports/hockey/lightning/article1012505.eceI wonder who Gary sides with in this one. Either way, sounds like anything but a done deal as long as Barrie is in the picture. This sounds way too childish to be real, n'est pas? |
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Post by jkr on Jun 23, 2009 7:07:58 GMT -5
Here's an interesting tidbit from a Tampa newspaper, regarding the relationship betweeen Tampa owners Koules, and Barrie. Apparently Bettman will be meeting with them on Tuesday to help settle their differences. "The talk is that Koules wants to keep Lawton as GM, wants to trade Lecavalier to get out from under his $85 million contract and wants to pare the payroll to the low $40 million range. Barrie is not as solidly behind Lawton, wants to build around Lecavalier and is in favor of signing some free agents to get the payroll closer to $50 million." www.tampabay.com/sports/hockey/lightning/article1012505.eceI wonder who Gary sides with in this one. Either way, sounds like anything but a done deal as long as Barrie is in the picture. I heard Elliotte Freiedman talking about this today. How can you run a team with such opposite viewpoints. And if Koules doesn't like the Lecavalier contract, why did he agree to it? |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 23, 2009 7:56:29 GMT -5
And if Vinny does come on board, does that mean we free up Koivu's salary as well? Is their room for Koivu and Lecavalier? Is there room for Lecavalier with the "C" and Kovalev without the "C." Same issues with Koivu and Kovalev me thinks. Quite frankly Dis, I wonder how much that "issue" is actually pure media fabrication from journalists that don't like Kovalev and those who don't like Koivu. I feel this polarization of one or the other is mostly media driven. Kovalev said last year that such notion was foolish in his opinion and for all that Kovy ever said, I never heard him talk against Saku or take anything away from him. Same goes the other way, Saku in fact, really pushed for the HABS to keep Kovy 4 years ago. |
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Post by blny on Jun 23, 2009 10:24:40 GMT -5
That's a monumental trade proposal. In the short term we rape them, but in the long term it may be Tbay that comes out ahead.
As good as we'd be up front, I don't like that our already thin back end gets further depleted. I think there are decent replacements out there, that could be had for less perhaps, but you'd better restock fast with who you want if you're going to empty the cupboards.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 23, 2009 11:03:15 GMT -5
That's a pretty funny trade proposal. TB must want to dump salary pretty bad to not even ask for any of our top prospects (Pacioretty, Lats, McDonagh, Subban, SKost, etc.).
Maybe we can throw in Audette and Czerkawski too!
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Post by HFTO on Jun 23, 2009 11:06:53 GMT -5
With (The Count)Bettman meeting with the feuding partners in Tampa today It seems unlikely they can get the Vinny deal done at this late hour.IMO they'll have to deal with Vinny's no trade claude somehow down the road.
If thats thecase Bob better be on to plan B.
HFTO
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 23, 2009 11:27:38 GMT -5
We may be witness to a thorough house cleaning and a new approach from top to bottom. I can see Martin wanting his minor league players playing a similar style to be able to assimiliate them quicker. I think this has already been said though. I was thinking along the same lines, CV. We've seen it before; the come-and-goes WRT a changing of the guard. One year Gainey added 10 new faces to the lineup and it was Carbonneau who had to sort it all out. IMO, he did well in that. Still, with 10 UFAs on our club and no one signed thus far, I'm thinking Gainey might have some sort of plan up his sleeve. And you may very well be right ... a wholesale changing of the guard may just happen ... again. Will be taking Friday afternoon off work to watch the draft. Might have to do a stick. You interested? Let me know. Cheers. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 23, 2009 11:35:56 GMT -5
That's a pretty funny trade proposal. TB must want to dump salary pretty bad to not even ask for any of our top prospects (Pacioretty, Lats, McDonagh, Subban, SKost, etc.). Maybe we can throw in Audette and Czerkawski too! One guy wants to dump One guy wants to spend to the cap With the feud exploding out in the open, it's now pretty clear what was holding up the Vinny trade. ...with Bettman getting involved, you can pretty much shut down any idea of a plan that has a marquee player moving from of his darling US expansion franchise to a Canadian one. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 23, 2009 11:51:46 GMT -5
That's a pretty funny trade proposal. TB must want to dump salary pretty bad to not even ask for any of our top prospects (Pacioretty, Lats, McDonagh, Subban, SKost, etc.). Maybe we can throw in Audette and Czerkawski too! One guy wants to dump One guy wants to spend to the cap With the feud exploding out in the open, it's now pretty clear what was holding up the Vinny trade. ...with Bettman getting involved, you can pretty much shut down any idea of a plan that has a marquee player moving from of his darling US expansion franchise to a Canadian one. This situation in TB has been festering for a while so I really question the validity of these rumors. Their feud wasn't a secret so would Gainey really be trying to deal with them now? BTW You would think these two morons would talk to each other before , you know, buying a hockey team.  I wonder if someone higher up then Lawton leaked the names last winter as a way of scuttling the deal. Maybe Lawton wasn't lying after all. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 23, 2009 11:55:29 GMT -5
We may be witness to a thorough house cleaning and a new approach from top to bottom. I can see Martin wanting his minor league players playing a similar style to be able to assimiliate them quicker. I think this has already been said though. I was thinking along the same lines, CV. We've seen it before; the come-and-goes WRT a changing of the guard. One year Gainey added 10 new faces to the lineup and it was Carbonneau who had to sort it all out. IMO, he did well in that. Still, with 10 UFAs on our club and no one signed thus far, I'm thinking Gainey might have some sort of plan up his sleeve. And you may very well be right ... a wholesale changing of the guard may just happen ... again. Will be taking Friday afternoon off work to watch the draft. Might have to do a stick. You interested? Let me know. Cheers. Draft doesn't start until 7PM Dis. You don't need the whole afternoon off.  |
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Does anyone really think that 13.5 million is going to get them + all the other guys we have to sign to get a full roster!!?? Kovalev is gonna take 4 - 4.5. Tanguay's cap-hit was 5.25 last year, he is not taking that much a loss to stay in our zoo , And Komi is going to get 4-5 million minimum on the open market. 
