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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 24, 2009 21:46:54 GMT -5
Saw TSN's draft coverage tonight. They talked about the big names that might be traded - Heatley, Marleau, Gomez etc. The panel, McGuire, Dreger, McKenzie all had possible destinations for them. When the host asked about VL & if he would be moved this weekend, their answers were all the same - an emphatic no. Take it FWIW. McKenzie and Dreger are among the most connected reporters as far as player movement is concerned. If that's their reaction then you'd have to think that they have inside information from the Bolts organization. Have to agree guys. I've always liked participating in these threads but, really, in the end it's important not to take too much stock in them. Keeps the boards active I reckon. I think you're right Andrew. McKenzie and Dreger are both very well connected to these kinds of things. I know if McKenzie says something is going down then it usually does (not always but usually). If VL isn't going anywhere then I'd like to see what Gainey comes up with on Friday, if anything at all. Cheers. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 25, 2009 1:16:54 GMT -5
If VL isn't going anywhere then I'd like to see what Gainey comes up with on Friday, if anything at all. Cheers. I think he drafts one 18 year old, and half a dozen more the next day. That may be the extent of the splash. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 25, 2009 7:22:25 GMT -5
If VL isn't going anywhere then I'd like to see what Gainey comes up with on Friday, if anything at all. Cheers. I think he drafts one 18 year old, and half a dozen more the next day. That may be the extent of the splash. Wouldn't call that a splash. More like a pebble hitting the water.  |
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Post by Douper on Jun 25, 2009 7:50:14 GMT -5
Regardless if it's Vinny or not, Gainey has to pull a major move this summer. We won't win with just our kids or with our returning UFA's. This team needs a makeover and with 33 million to spend, this summer is the time to do it. IF he can't pull anything off it will be a long season!
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 25, 2009 8:02:55 GMT -5
Regardless if it's Vinny or not, Gainey has to pull a major move this summer. We won't win with just our kids or with our returning UFA's. This team needs a makeover and with 33 million to spend, this summer is the time to do it. IF he can't pull anything off it will be a long season! Considering how little as transpired to date for a team that has to sign over half of its lineup, you have to believe/hope that something important is indeed brewing. I just can't believe that anyone would simply put himself in wait and see mode in this situation. |
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Post by Douper on Jun 25, 2009 8:04:05 GMT -5
Regardless if it's Vinny or not, Gainey has to pull a major move this summer. We won't win with just our kids or with our returning UFA's. This team needs a makeover and with 33 million to spend, this summer is the time to do it. IF he can't pull anything off it will be a long season! Considering how little as transpired to date for a team that has to sign over half of its lineup, you have to believe/hope that something important is indeed brewing. I just can't believe that anyone would simply put himself in wait and see mode in this situation. It would be a real slap in our faces. |
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Post by HabSolute on Jun 25, 2009 9:10:40 GMT -5
Regardless if it's Vinny or not, Gainey has to pull a major move this summer. We won't win with just our kids or with our returning UFA's. This team needs a makeover and with 33 million to spend, this summer is the time to do it. IF he can't pull anything off it will be a long season! Considering how little as transpired to date for a team that has to sign over half of its lineup, you have to believe/hope that something important is indeed brewing. I just can't believe that anyone would simply put himself in wait and see mode in this situation. I think we can say with certainty that something is brewing; all the signs point to it. And Boivin's comment from yesterday seem to just confirm it.... there would be no other explanation for this wait. The question is, what are the odds of that SPLASH to materialize, and if it doesn't, do we have a reasonable plan B, and C (hopefully we don't need a plan D ). Considering our history of SPLASHING in the past 10 years.....  |
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Post by Andrew on Jun 25, 2009 10:03:58 GMT -5
Considering how little as transpired to date for a team that has to sign over half of its lineup, you have to believe/hope that something important is indeed brewing. I just can't believe that anyone would simply put himself in wait and see mode in this situation. I think we can say with certainty that something is brewing; all the signs point to it. And Boivin's comment from yesterday seem to just confirm it.... there would be no other explanation for this wait. The question is, what are the odds of that SPLASH to materialize, and if it doesn't, do we have a reasonable plan B, and C (hopefully we don't need a plan D ). Considering our history of SPLASHING in the past 10 years..... I could see Marleau being somewhere up there (near B or C), however, that one worries me. Marleau is not the answer to bringing us the cup, or necessarily even keeping our UFAs. He's also UFA after this season, so chances are we'd lose him for nothing. I'm a bit worried that the height of the excitement this weekend will be the anticipation that the Habs will draft Leblanc, leading up to when they step up and don't. So in all likelihood, some poor high school kid's introduction to the NHL will be a chorus of boos from the fans of the team that drafted him. |
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Post by Douper on Jun 25, 2009 10:10:52 GMT -5
I think we can say with certainty that something is brewing; all the signs point to it. And Boivin's comment from yesterday seem to just confirm it.... there would be no other explanation for this wait. The question is, what are the odds of that SPLASH to materialize, and if it doesn't, do we have a reasonable plan B, and C (hopefully we don't need a plan D ). Considering our history of SPLASHING in the past 10 years..... I could see Marleau being somewhere up there (near B or C), however, that one worries me. Marleau is not the answer to bringing us the cup, or necessarily even keeping our UFAs. He's also UFA after this season, so chances are we'd lose him for nothing. I'm a bit worried that the height of the excitement this weekend will be the anticipation that the Habs will draft Leblanc, leading up to when they step up and don't - right before a deafening chorus of boos. My bet is the night starts off with the crowd screaming: VINCENT VINCENT VINCENT. Then at the 18th pick.... boos Then at the end of the night riots might break out. |
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Post by duster on Jun 25, 2009 11:48:47 GMT -5
My bet is the night starts off with the crowd screaming: VINCENT VINCENT VINCENT. Then at the 18th pick.... boos Then at the end of the night riots might break out. Yeah, by the 18th pick, the crowd should be nice and sloshed on Molson's, ready to express their profound hockey knowledge for the world to see. Booing Bettman should serve as an adequate warm up. Not once did Gainey say he was after Lecavalier this summer. Lawton has denied it every time. It's all speculation and wishful thinking by the usual suspects in the press. Yet some fans seem utterly convinced this is imminent and if it doesn't happen it's Gainey's fault. Where did this unrealistic expectation come from I wonder? Hard to splash when there is no water in the pool. I feel sorry for the kid that's going to get drafted by Timmins especially if he doesn't have a french sounding name. (Does Rundblad sound French when you're drunk?). He'll be booed "pour encourager les autres" just like Price was. |
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Post by gy on Jun 25, 2009 12:37:30 GMT -5
I hear that Gainey won't talk with any of the Habs UFAs (except Komisarek) until July 1. That includes Kovalev and Tanguay. I suspect that, with so much up unsettled, the rumour of a mega trade is more speculative than concrete.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 25, 2009 12:45:01 GMT -5
I hear that Gainey won't talk with any of the Habs UFAs (except Komisarek) until July 1. That includes Kovalev and Tanguay. I suspect that, with so much up unsettled, the rumour of a mega trade is more speculative than concrete. ...I guess the main reason for the speculation is precisely because no UFA have received any offer. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 25, 2009 13:05:20 GMT -5
I hear that Gainey won't talk with any of the Habs UFAs (except Komisarek) until July 1. That includes Kovalev and Tanguay. I suspect that, with so much up unsettled, the rumour of a mega trade is more speculative than concrete. I had heard that talking would start after the draft but before July 1. Who knows but please start soon. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 25, 2009 13:07:47 GMT -5
Some poor 18 year old is going to get a first hand intro into the true passion of the Habs fanbase tomorrow night. And he probably thought the combine was tough!
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 25, 2009 13:17:25 GMT -5
I think we can say with certainty that something is brewing; all the signs point to it. And Boivin's comment from yesterday seem to just confirm it.... there would be no other explanation for this wait. The question is, what are the odds of that SPLASH to materialize, and if it doesn't, do we have a reasonable plan B, and C (hopefully we don't need a plan D ). Considering our history of SPLASHING in the past 10 years..... I sure hope this year is different, but I have some jaded cynicism from years of not getting splashed despite similar rumours of pending splashes. On the glass is half full counter-balance, the ability to land some bona fide big fish this weekend would make the UFA signing/attractiveness a lot easier. Gainey still needs to fill out a half-complete roster, so there are plenty of dominoes still to come. New high profile owners, tons of cap space, tons of roster spots, draft in your home town....this is the year to go for it if he can. The proverbial duckies are lined up for Bob if he can make things happen over the next week. Note to Bob...Tsunami splash please, not a wading pool splash. |
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Post by Douper on Jun 25, 2009 17:15:43 GMT -5
Gainey's press conference pretty much squashed any hope I had in a big deal tomorrow night. He's going to make his pick.... #18.
I wonder what the media will say when Brian Burke's Leafs make more noise than us this weekend?
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Post by HFTO on Jun 25, 2009 17:32:44 GMT -5
Should this weekend unfold without that rumored splash how eager are any of our UFA's going to be to sign here after they've been basically been snubbed for supposedly something better?
...... So if this weekend is it's usual dud and other teams steal our thunder I can't wait to here the rhetoric in Bob's next news conference.
He might want to answer the phone if thing further deteriorate the following week.
HFTO
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Post by Anardil1 on Jun 25, 2009 17:51:48 GMT -5
Considering how little as transpired to date for a team that has to sign over half of its lineup, you have to believe/hope that something important is indeed brewing. I just can't believe that anyone would simply put himself in wait and see mode in this situation. I think we can say with certainty that something is brewing; all the signs point to it. And Boivin's comment from yesterday seem to just confirm it.... there would be no other explanation for this wait. The question is, what are the odds of that SPLASH to materialize, and if it doesn't, do we have a reasonable plan B, and C (hopefully we don't need a plan D ). Considering our history of SPLASHING in the past 10 years..... We've done a hell of a lot of splashing over the years... One massive belly flop or face plant after the other.  |
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Post by duster on Jun 25, 2009 20:28:52 GMT -5
Interview in La Presse by Marc Antoine Godin. Briefly... - 95% chance Gainey keeps his first round choice. Draft is better quality than last year. - It's not a secret that the Habs are looking for a big first line centre. He doesn't see any available as a UFA so he's looking for a trade partner. He has young, developed and talented players available he can use as trade bait. He can't say that right now he's close to making a deal. . - He's only spoken to Komisarek and made him a long term offer that he considers reasonable. Komisarek is his top priority at the moment. - He'll be speaking to Kovalev, Tanguay, Koivu and Schneider among others after the weekend when he knows how much money he has left. - He's aware that it's difficult for the players. He's spoken to Koivu and his agent Don Baizley. It was important to him they understand his actions even if Koivu might not like it. - The less important players will be contacted after July 1st. - He didn't express himself very well to Bouillon. He told him he would not start negotiations till after July 1st and he wasn't sure what would happen after that date. - This is the plan he has in place and he intends to follow it until he gets results. www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hockey/200906/25/01-878878-gainey-veut-transiger-sans-perdre-son-premier-choix.php |
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Post by gy on Jun 25, 2009 21:22:10 GMT -5
Interview in La Presse by Marc Antoine Godin. Briefly... - 95% chance Gainey keeps his first round choice. Draft is better quality than last year. - It's not a secret that the Habs are looking for a big first line centre. He doesn't see any available as a UFA so he's looking for a trade partner. He has young, developed and talented players available he can use as trade bait. He can't say that right now he's close to making a deal. . - He's only spoken to Komisarek and made him a long term offer that he considers reasonable. Komisarek is his top priority at the moment. - He'll be speaking to Kovalev, Tanguay, Koivu and Schneider among others after the weekend when he knows how much money he has left. - He's aware that it's difficult for the players. He's spoken to Koivu and his agent Don Baizley. It was important to him they understand his actions even if Koivu might not like it. - The less important players will be contacted after July 1st. - He didn't express himself very well to Bouillon. He told him he would not start negotiations till after July 1st and he wasn't sure what would happen after that date. - This is the plan he has in place and he intends to follow it until he gets results. www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hockey/200906/25/01-878878-gainey-veut-transiger-sans-perdre-son-premier-choix.phpI read that too. All I can say is that the roster will change, but not necessarily in ways we're expecting. Should be an interesting summer. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 25, 2009 22:56:31 GMT -5
If VL isn't going anywhere then I'd like to see what Gainey comes up with on Friday, if anything at all. Cheers. I think he drafts one 18 year old, and half a dozen more the next day. That may be the extent of the splash. I'll still tune in, but I think I'll leave the pumpkin patch now (thanks HFTO). Cheers. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 25, 2009 23:38:05 GMT -5
I think he drafts one 18 year old, and half a dozen more the next day. That may be the extent of the splash. I'll still tune in, but I think I'll leave the pumpkin patch now (thanks HFTO). Cheers. Watch out of the centennial kool-aid stand at all exits. Don't let the big plastic Molson cups fool you. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 26, 2009 10:20:27 GMT -5
I'll still tune in, but I think I'll leave the pumpkin patch now (thanks HFTO). Cheers. Watch out of the centennial kool-aid stand at all exits. Don't let the big plastic Molson cups fool you. Excellent! Thanks ... never did like pumpkin juice anyway. Cheers. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 26, 2009 13:44:07 GMT -5
Just read online that Vinny is in town but his cell is turned off.
If T-Bay trades him at this draft to another team, the fans will take that as an insult and the place will be torn apart.
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Post by Andrew on Jun 26, 2009 13:52:44 GMT -5
If Lecavalier isn't an option I hope that Gainey makes a serious offer for Clowe. According to Dregr, TO, Philly, Minny, and LA are all closing in on him. Why not the Habs? And why is Philly always in the running for every UFA hot trade commodity? If they need to free up cap space we'll gladly take Gage off their hands.
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Post by jkr on Jun 26, 2009 14:19:17 GMT -5
If Lecavalier isn't an option I hope that Gainey makes a serious offer for Clowe. According to Dregr, TO, Philly, Minny, and LA are all closing in on him. Why not the Habs? And why is Philly always in the running for every UFA hot trade commodity? If they need to free up cap space we'll gladly take Gage off their hands. I've heard the stuff about Clowe as well. Why is he in play? He is RFA, not UFA. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 26, 2009 14:27:41 GMT -5
Just read online that Vinny is in town but his cell is turned off. If T-Bay trades him at this draft to another team, the fans will take that as an insult and the place will be torn apart. Could have put this in the "Vinny" thread but we are getting down to the nitty gritty. This one is more along the lines of BC's reference to meddling by Bettman. Again, it's Garrioch so ... =========================================================== Source: Bettman tells Bolts to hang on to LecavalierBy BRUCE GARRIOCH, SUN MEDIA MONTREAL -- Will Vincent Lecavalier stay or will he go? League sources say NHL commissioner Gary Bettman told Tampa owners Oren Koules and Len Barrie during a meeting earlier this week that if they want to sell the team, they should hold on to their superstar. "From what I'm told, Bettman said: 'You better not trade this guy or nobody is going to buy that franchise', " a league source said yesterday. There has been plenty of speculation that Bolts GM Brian Lawton is going to move Lecavalier to the Canadiens or Kings during the draft. Sources say Lecavalier hasn't been approached about any deal and the Bolts have promised they will seek his blessing before making a trade. Koules would like to clear Lecavalier's salary from the payroll, but Barrie has the right to veto any trade. Waiting on HossaAs reported yesterday, league sources say the Red Wings have offered W Marian Hossa a 10-year deal believed to be in the $62-million US range. While Hossa and his agent, Ritch Winter, are going to mull over the offer until Monday, they also have to look at how attractive Hossa is going to be as a potential unrestricted free agent. League sources say the Bruins are trying to deal either C Marc Savard or W Phil Kessel so they can clear up the cap space to sign Hossa. If they can move either player, it would also help Boston GM Peter Chiarelli become more active in pursuit of disgruntled Senators W Dany Heatley, whose wishlist of landing spots includes Boston. Off the glassThe Panthers were fielding offers yesterday for D Jay Bouwmeester's negotiating rights. Sources said last night that the Flames were the frontrunners ... The Ducks are expecting an answer today from D Scott Niedermayer on whether he plans on playing next season. If he decides to return, it's believed D Chris Pronger will be dealt. The Blues have been trying to reacquire him for soon time ... If W Erik Cole doesn't re-sign with Carolina, expect the Senators to make a pitch for him as a UFA ... The Kings were talking to San Jose about a possible deal for C Patrick Marleau. slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Draft/2009/06/26/9943116-sun.html |
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Post by jkr on Jun 26, 2009 15:21:54 GMT -5
Just read online that Vinny is in town but his cell is turned off. If T-Bay trades him at this draft to another team, the fans will take that as an insult and the place will be torn apart. Could have put this in the "Vinny" thread but we are getting down to the nitty gritty. This one is more along the lines of BC's reference to meddling by Bettman. Again, it's Garrioch so ... =========================================================== Source: Bettman tells Bolts to hang on to LecavalierBy BRUCE GARRIOCH, SUN MEDIA MONTREAL -- Will Vincent Lecavalier stay or will he go? League sources say NHL commissioner Gary Bettman told Tampa owners Oren Koules and Len Barrie during a meeting earlier this week that if they want to sell the team, they should hold on to their superstar. "From what I'm told, Bettman said: 'You better not trade this guy or nobody is going to buy that franchise', " a league source said yesterday. There has been plenty of speculation that Bolts GM Brian Lawton is going to move Lecavalier to the Canadiens or Kings during the draft. Sources say Lecavalier hasn't been approached about any deal and the Bolts have promised they will seek his blessing before making a trade. Koules would like to clear Lecavalier's salary from the payroll, but Barrie has the right to veto any trade. Waiting on HossaAs reported yesterday, league sources say the Red Wings have offered W Marian Hossa a 10-year deal believed to be in the $62-million US range. While Hossa and his agent, Ritch Winter, are going to mull over the offer until Monday, they also have to look at how attractive Hossa is going to be as a potential unrestricted free agent. League sources say the Bruins are trying to deal either C Marc Savard or W Phil Kessel so they can clear up the cap space to sign Hossa. If they can move either player, it would also help Boston GM Peter Chiarelli become more active in pursuit of disgruntled Senators W Dany Heatley, whose wishlist of landing spots includes Boston. Off the glassThe Panthers were fielding offers yesterday for D Jay Bouwmeester's negotiating rights. Sources said last night that the Flames were the frontrunners ... The Ducks are expecting an answer today from D Scott Niedermayer on whether he plans on playing next season. If he decides to return, it's believed D Chris Pronger will be dealt. The Blues have been trying to reacquire him for soon time ... If W Erik Cole doesn't re-sign with Carolina, expect the Senators to make a pitch for him as a UFA ... The Kings were talking to San Jose about a possible deal for C Patrick Marleau. slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Draft/2009/06/26/9943116-sun.htmlThis sounds like more of Garrioch's "sources say" stuff. If it's true it is good advice. The team is more attractive with VL on the roster. |
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Post by Andrew on Jun 26, 2009 15:29:09 GMT -5
If Lecavalier isn't an option I hope that Gainey makes a serious offer for Clowe. According to Dregr, TO, Philly, Minny, and LA are all closing in on him. Why not the Habs? And why is Philly always in the running for every UFA hot trade commodity? If they need to free up cap space we'll gladly take Gage off their hands. I've heard the stuff about Clowe as well. Why is he in play? He is RFA, not UFA. I'm not sure. I guess they're pretty close to the cap, and he's due for a raise to bring him closer to the 4M range. Either way, he's just the type of player that we need IMO. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 26, 2009 22:52:08 GMT -5
Here in LA we have a 2.8 - 3.2 earthquake every week. You can't even feel them. Kind of like mega-trades.
When we do have a 7.5 everyone feels it right away. Kind of like Gretzky to the Kings.
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