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Post by GNick99 on Jun 23, 2012 8:06:09 GMT -5
A few quotes from McCagg this morning:
- Couple of months ago Trevor told me that a certain prospect was his "favourite player in the draft"...that prospect is still available..... talking to Timmins this morning he says..."keep your fingers crossed!"
- Teravainen certainly liked by the Habs. Montreal tried to trade up to grab him when he started to fall, but they didn't have the ammunition. Teams willing to move down didn't want to fall back to 33.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 23, 2012 9:04:06 GMT -5
A few quotes from McCagg this morning: - Couple of months ago Trevor told me that a certain prospect was his "favourite player in the draft"...that prospect is still available..... talking to Timmins this morning he says..."keep your fingers crossed!" - Teravainen certainly liked by the Habs. Montreal tried to trade up to grab him when he started to fall, but they didn't have the ammunition. Teams willing to move down didn't want to fall back to 33. That is cool to hear. |
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Post by blny on Jun 23, 2012 10:54:40 GMT -5
... wonder if they got him ...
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 23, 2012 16:22:07 GMT -5
... wonder if they got him ... Yup, it was Collberg. All-in-all...good day to be Habs fan. I would rate our draft outstanding at least excellent. A few comments from McCagg: - Timmins had Galchenyuk 1st and Collberg 11th on their draft list. They also had Bozon and Thrower high. Anytime you can do that in a draft sets team well for futurE. - Collberg's the guy Trevor said was his favourite player a few months ago. He really likes his offensive skills. Timmins had him ranked close to Forsberg. Thank goodness he had an average U-18, its why they figure he dropped. They thought Collberg might drop, but really didn't expect him to be at 33. - Thrower has some issues with his game, otherwise he would have been a first rounder. He has such strong character and determination though they think he will overcome his deficiencies and be a solid NHLer some day. He is one tough hombre for his size, reminded our W scout of Wendel Clark. - Never got our goalie but Trevor just told me Lagace and Girard have been invited to Development camp. |
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Post by blny on Jun 23, 2012 17:30:06 GMT -5
I've read the knock on Collberg is mostly about consistency. He could be a better skater. No one denies the skill is there though.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 24, 2012 1:02:19 GMT -5
I've read the knock on Collberg is mostly about consistency. He could be a better skater. No one denies the skill is there though. The kid is actually a pretty decent skater and can makes plays at top speed. He has a great release and is really smart on the ice. I really like this pick, he should have gone in the first round. He was really good at the WJC. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 24, 2012 7:13:34 GMT -5
I've read the knock on Collberg is mostly about consistency. He could be a better skater. No one denies the skill is there though. I can't recall seeing him play myself so don't really know. Years ago I use to VHS tape games like U18, Memorial Cup, Top Prospects Game, then haul them out to get closer look at our draftees. Late years though I stopped doing it |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 24, 2012 11:29:16 GMT -5
There is a youtube video of a shootout goal of his against the Swiss. He went in really quickly and made some strong dekes, finishing with a backhand, roofed shot that went in and out of the net so quickly, you weren't sure he'd scored or not. A true skill goal, at high speed. The very definition of a goal scorer.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 24, 2012 11:45:12 GMT -5
There is a youtube video of a shootout goal of his against the Swiss. He went in really quickly and made some strong dekes, finishing with a backhand, roofed shot that went in and out of the net so quickly, you weren't sure he'd scored or not. A true skill goal, at high speed. The very definition of a goal scorer. Yeah that was a beauty. If all goes well, our shoot outs may not be as painful to watch in the future. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 26, 2012 16:07:11 GMT -5
There is a youtube video of a shootout goal of his against the Swiss. He went in really quickly and made some strong dekes, finishing with a backhand, roofed shot that went in and out of the net so quickly, you weren't sure he'd scored or not. A true skill goal, at high speed. The very definition of a goal scorer. I just looked it up...Thanks! Reminded me a little of Mats Naslund circa. 1984. Wearing Swedish jersey and moves like that and his speed and size. www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nCoN_9zoqQ |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 26, 2012 17:35:28 GMT -5
There is a youtube video of a shootout goal of his against the Swiss. He went in really quickly and made some strong dekes, finishing with a backhand, roofed shot that went in and out of the net so quickly, you weren't sure he'd scored or not. A true skill goal, at high speed. The very definition of a goal scorer. I just looked it up...Thanks! Reminded me a little of Mats Naslund circa. 1984. Wearing Swedish jersey and moves like that and his speed and size. www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nCoN_9zoqQThanks Gnick. I haven't developed the skill to attach the video to the post. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 26, 2012 17:46:46 GMT -5
I just looked it up...Thanks! Reminded me a little of Mats Naslund circa. 1984. Wearing Swedish jersey and moves like that and his speed and size. www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nCoN_9zoqQThanks Gnick. I haven't developed the skill to attach the video to the post. 1. Highlight and Copy the YouTube URL. 2. Click the YouTube icon in our posting toolbar. 3. Between the two [youtube]s, paste the URL copied in Step 1, leaving no spaces between the URL and the brackets. Voila. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 28, 2012 18:32:12 GMT -5
A few draft tidbits from TT:
- Timmins joked Sarnia should draft Collberg as he and Gally played together at one event when they were 14, but he wasn't surprised he didn't get picked as he's under contract another year.
- Trevor thinks Collberg will get a lot more playing time next season in Sweden, and it's a great organization. Their gym and practice facilities are top notch..."better than ours" he noted.
- Been a few rumours on the net Habs tried to trade up and draft Matteau. It is false. Timmins is not sold on Matteau's offensive upside. He may have drafted him if he slide but would not trade up to get him.
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Post by Anardil1 on Jun 28, 2012 18:52:00 GMT -5
A few draft tidbits from TT: - Timmins joked Sarnia should draft Collberg as he and Gally played together at one event when they were 14, but he wasn't surprised he didn't get picked as he's under contract another year. - Trevor thinks Collberg will get a lot more playing time next season in Sweden, and it's a great organization. Their gym and practice facilities are top notch..."better than ours" he noted. - Been a few rumours on the net Habs tried to trade up and draft Matteau. It is false. Timmins is not sold on Matteau's offensive upside. He may have drafted him if he slide but would not trade up to get him. The rumour I heard was that they were trying to acquire a second 1st rounder after Teuvo Teravainen kept sliding down the 1st round. |
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Post by blny on Jun 28, 2012 19:05:14 GMT -5
Thanks Gnick. I haven't developed the skill to attach the video to the post. 1. Highlight and Copy the YouTube URL. 2. Click the YouTube icon in our posting toolbar. 3. Between the two [youtube]s, paste the URL copied in Step 1, leaving no spaces between the URL and the brackets. Voila. Conversely, you can post the link, highlight the whole url, and hit the youtube button. It will automatically put the code around it so it's embedded. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 28, 2012 19:26:52 GMT -5
1. Highlight and Copy the YouTube URL. 2. Click the YouTube icon in our posting toolbar. 3. Between the two [youtube]s, paste the URL copied in Step 1, leaving no spaces between the URL and the brackets. Voila. Conversely, you can post the link, highlight the whole url, and hit the youtube button. It will automatically put the code around it so it's embedded. I only figured that out a few years ago. Saves time on any property you want to manipulate; italics, bold, font size et al. Cheers. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 29, 2012 6:38:38 GMT -5
A few draft tidbits from TT: - Timmins joked Sarnia should draft Collberg as he and Gally played together at one event when they were 14, but he wasn't surprised he didn't get picked as he's under contract another year. - Trevor thinks Collberg will get a lot more playing time next season in Sweden, and it's a great organization. Their gym and practice facilities are top notch..."better than ours" he noted. - Been a few rumours on the net Habs tried to trade up and draft Matteau. It is false. Timmins is not sold on Matteau's offensive upside. He may have drafted him if he slide but would not trade up to get him. The rumour I heard was that they were trying to acquire a second 1st rounder after Teuvo Teravainen kept sliding down the 1st round. Yes, they tried very hard to acquire him but teams drafting in the teens were not willing to move back that far. Timmins had Teuvo Teravainen ranked very high |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 29, 2012 8:46:55 GMT -5
I've read the knock on Collberg is mostly about consistency. He could be a better skater. No one denies the skill is there though. The kid is actually a pretty decent skater and can makes plays at top speed. He has a great release and is really smart on the ice. I really like this pick, he should have gone in the first round. He was really good at the WJC. IMO he'll be considered the steal of this draft in a few years. |
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 29, 2012 9:13:00 GMT -5
Is it too early to talk about 2013?  I like that Seth Jones kid... 6'3, 200+lbs, still growing. His dad is 6'8, 250lbs. Right-shooting, two-way defenseman who is mature beyond his years. Early favorite to be a top 2 pick, if not first overall. Tinordi - Subban Beaulieu - Jones Gorges - Emelin (Thrower) Of course that would mean we would have to suck again next year. But if we did... trade Plekanec and Markov at the deadline for mid-to-late 1st round picks, have three firsts and three seconds in the deepest draft since 2003... We'd be set for the next two decades, in my opinion.  |
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Post by blny on Jun 29, 2012 9:31:31 GMT -5
He and MacKinnon are training together for parts of this summer. He towers over Nate already.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 29, 2012 9:40:14 GMT -5
Is it too early to talk about 2013? I like that Seth Jones kid... 6'3, 200+lbs, still growing. His dad is 6'8, 250lbs. Right-shooting, two-way defenseman who is mature beyond his years. Early favorite to be a top 2 pick, if not first overall. Tinordi - Subban Beaulieu - Jones Gorges - Emelin (Thrower) Of course that would mean we would have to suck again next year. But if we did... trade Plekanec and Markov at the deadline for mid-to-late 1st round picks, have three firsts and three seconds in the deepest draft since 2003... We'd be set for the next two decades, in my opinion. I would tolerate another year of suckage to get that. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 29, 2012 22:43:17 GMT -5
Is it too early to talk about 2013? I like that Seth Jones kid... 6'3, 200+lbs, still growing. His dad is 6'8, 250lbs. Right-shooting, two-way defenseman who is mature beyond his years. Early favorite to be a top 2 pick, if not first overall. Tinordi - Subban Beaulieu - Jones Gorges - Emelin (Thrower) Of course that would mean we would have to suck again next year. But if we did... trade Plekanec and Markov at the deadline for mid-to-late 1st round picks, have three firsts and three seconds in the deepest draft since 2003... We'd be set for the next two decades, in my opinion. You mean we'd have a chance to usurp Detroit and become The model franchise again? It would be overdue. Cheers. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 30, 2012 8:30:01 GMT -5
Is it too early to talk about 2013? I like that Seth Jones kid... 6'3, 200+lbs, still growing. His dad is 6'8, 250lbs. Right-shooting, two-way defenseman who is mature beyond his years. Early favorite to be a top 2 pick, if not first overall. Tinordi - Subban Beaulieu - Jones Gorges - Emelin (Thrower) Of course that would mean we would have to suck again next year. But if we did... trade Plekanec and Markov at the deadline for mid-to-late 1st round picks, have three firsts and three seconds in the deepest draft since 2003... We'd be set for the next two decades, in my opinion. Be off the charts we could get Jones. But with potential lock out looming you never know. |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 19, 2012 0:39:54 GMT -5
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 22, 2012 19:04:09 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Jan 16, 2013 22:52:44 GMT -5
Watched the 3rd period of the prospects game but really wasn't able to get a good read on many of the kids. Not that that's every stopped me before...so.....
Just a couple of observations. The usual suspects at the top of the draft list played fine. Drouin wasn't that impressive, but so what? I'd still take him in a heartbeat. McKinnon was fine as was Jones. Of the lesser names, I liked what Shea Theodore showed and Max Domi. Domi is short, has a lot of speed and decent hands, but what I really noticed is that he'd get checked, spun around, opponents would fish for the puck, get in each others way and he'd end up with the puck again. It's like he had a magnet. The puck followed him around, even when he had no idea where it was and had basically lost it. Luck? Maybe, but with some guys (Sakic for example) that sort of thing happens and there's no explanation for it. The puck just ends up back on that guy's stick. Voodoo, but worth it when he's on your side.
The ice in Halifax seemed really bad. Players were constantly losing the puck because it wasn't sliding properly. Anyone else see the game?
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 17, 2013 9:36:43 GMT -5
I watched the game last night. One of the best TPG ever - Should be a great draft. Lots of talent available. I like the TPG as it compares top draftees against each other instead of playing against players in major junior who are not close to NHL talent. Good to see Mike McPhee again, he sure has changed since his playing days. Would not have recognized him if met him.
- Drouin I wasn't blown away by, may be a bit overhyped. Every draft always a few top ones who get overhyped.
- Monahan similar to Drouin. I was expecting more, they are good but not future stars.
- MacKinnon/Jones showed signs of great skill but neither had an outstanding game.
- Petan going to be better than we been hearing. Close to Drouin in skill. I think Drouin got more hype because of linemates. Petan can put up similar points but be available much later in draft.
- Morin was impressive, has size, wheels, toughness. Won't be much difference between him, Zadorov or Jones. Jones is NHL closer but Morin/Zadarov could be dominating physical d-men in NHL someday.
- Erne I liked, has a shot and knack for being in right place at right time. Going to be a good NHLer someday.
- Mantha I was less impressed with. I think his stats looked better than most draftees as he is a year older than most other draftees. Very lackadaisal, no hustle, if he made his feet move he would be a star though. reminds me of former Hab Latendresse.
- Gauthier, is huge, good hands, but no intensity. Decent skater for his size, but lacks first step quickness and extra gear. Wouldn't be high pick for me, these kind of players don't translate well to speed and fast tempo of game today.
- Subban is better than I thought. Can skate with puck thru traffic and create scoring chances. Be a great 2nd round pick. Small be different player than PK though.
- Domi has a little spunk and energy to him, hands good enough to be decent 2nd line NHL center someday.
- Nurse going to be a good one also, not the level of a Jones or Morin. But roughed, solid, he was caught off guard by a lefty in a fight. Common for 18 year old though.
- Dauphin suprised me, never heard of him before. One of those guys we hear at this game and keep an eye on for rest of year.
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Post by blny on Jan 17, 2013 17:52:56 GMT -5
MacKinnon is likely a better pro that Drouin, but Jonathan is a smart player. Very slick. Knows where his line mates are. TPGs are always a crap shoot. Finding chemistry with line mates is as much good fortune as anything else. I don't know who played with who, but I heard Mac was on the losing side and his Mooseheads team mate Fucale was in net. Fucale isn't a goalie I'd spend a pick on I can tell you that. Soft. Lets in weak goals at bad times. IMO, he's the main concern for me following the Moose into the playoffs.
As far as CSS ranking goes, Jones deserves to be #1 at this point. He definitely had a better WJC than MacKinnon did - not that Mac got a real shot at success. Down the road, as pros, it's a wash who will be better.
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 18, 2013 5:08:46 GMT -5
MacKinnon has stalled to me lately. Not just the World Junior. I noticed before many players have great WJC then have mixed results on NHL career. So, don't use WJC like once did as a judge of talent after players like McDonagh. Who had a terrible WJC a few years back and no doubt was a factor in decision to trade him. So to stop making these mistakes I stop using WJC as judge of future NHL talent. It is like an all-star game played under international rules or something, just a bad judge of future NHLers.
Jones would be #1 pick at this point. I wouldn't draft him #1 as I am not big on taking d-men this high. But that is just my decision, I see a little of Erik Johnson or DIon Phaneuf in Jones. Not that is a bad thing, just draft so deep who goes early does mean as much.
This draft is something like '03 draft to me, see some great talent come mid-late first round to second round. Guys like Corey Perry, Patrice Bergeron, Mike Richards, Parise, Weber, etc.... should be there. Love having those extra 2nds in a deep draft. Smart move by Habs on this one. With Timmins drafting should be a great draft by Habs,
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Post by blny on Jan 18, 2013 7:06:18 GMT -5
Mac's play was stellar leading up to the WJC. Doesn't surprise me that there's a bit of a let down after what happened in Ufa.
I don't put the WJC on a pedestal either, but when you've got two 17 year olds in the same tourney it is worth a comparison. That's all I'm doing. I fully expect both to be at next years tournament, and here's hoping that MacKinnon gets a legitimate shot to play. He's not a checker. He's not a grinder. He's a race horse. He needs a regular shift in an offensive role. He was never going to get that behind RNH, Strome, and Huberdeau. He's also better at center than the wing. He was pigeon-holed from the start.
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