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Post by blny on Dec 20, 2013 8:14:03 GMT -5
Not interested in 4 pieces for Kane. As dynamic as he can be, he takes a lot of shifts off. Who would I trade for him? Tough call. You've got to give to get. Considering our plethora of smaller skilled players, and the fact Kane is only 22, I would consider a move that had Gallagher as the center piece. Bgally is a heart and soul player. A warrior. After that, what do the Jets need most?
They've got Bryan Little as their #1 center, and he's producing. After that it's Jokinen. Still, despite that lack of depth I'd be surprised if they were interested in Plekanec or Desharnais. Having watched them a few times, I see defense as glaring hole (not only the position, but playing defensive hockey in general). To that end, I think they'd be wanting a guy like Tinordi.
After that, a pick? I'd like to send salary back. Would they take Bourque to fill the hole on the left side?
Gallagher, Tinordi, Bourque, and a pick seems a high price to pay, but Kane isn't even in his prime yet.
Kane-DD-Pacioretty
Galchenyuk-Eller-Prust
Bournival-Plekanec-Gionta
Moen-White-Parros
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Post by madhabber on Dec 20, 2013 10:44:45 GMT -5
Kane, Bourque, Simmonds, Stewart. What do those guys have in common. Size, a willingness to use it, pretty decent hands. What else do they have in common? They don't show up every night. To the point that they can be pretty frustrating to their fans, but fans of every team wants them or wanted them at one point.
I'd love to give Wpg 4 pieces rather than two or three. The more pieces there is, the lesser those pieces will be. Rather than give our top prospects, we give a few lesser ones. Give'em quantity rather than quality.
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Post by Polarice on Dec 20, 2013 11:17:26 GMT -5
I'd do Eller, a prospect and a 1st for Kane, that's it.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 20, 2013 13:59:21 GMT -5
Evander Kane may or may not be on the block, depending on who you ask. Rumored asking price is four parts, though what those parts are is hard to say. Nonetheless, I will speculate! 1) Young, bonifide NHL player with potential, if not star potential. From our roster players that fit that bill are Galchenyuk, Eller, Pacioretty and Gallagher. 2) Top prospect. We don't really have any forwards that fit that bill, so I'll say either Beaulieu, Tinordi or Fucale. Maybe Hudon sneaks into that discussion if he has a great World Juniors. 3) Serviceable NHL player, probably for salary cap purposes. Forget Briere, but maybe Bourque or Moen. 4) First round pick. That's a lot to give up for one player but Kane represents everything we need in this franchise, albeit wrapped up in a potential headcase. But if he gets his head straight, and he's only 22, him and Pacioretty would give Montreal a power-forward duo they haven't seen in like forever. Maybe it's the team he's playing with or maybe it's his linemates, I do not know ... for all I know it could be just him, but I expected more from a #4 overall prospect who's projected to be an NHL power forward. The sports media seems to like this guy, though. I just don't know if he's another Max Pacioretty, or if he's another Guillaume Latendresse. Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Dec 20, 2013 18:34:56 GMT -5
Evander Kane may or may not be on the block, depending on who you ask. Rumored asking price is four parts, though what those parts are is hard to say. Nonetheless, I will speculate! 1) Young, bonifide NHL player with potential, if not star potential. From our roster players that fit that bill are Galchenyuk, Eller, Pacioretty and Gallagher. 2) Top prospect. We don't really have any forwards that fit that bill, so I'll say either Beaulieu, Tinordi or Fucale. Maybe Hudon sneaks into that discussion if he has a great World Juniors. 3) Serviceable NHL player, probably for salary cap purposes. Forget Briere, but maybe Bourque or Moen. 4) First round pick. That's a lot to give up for one player but Kane represents everything we need in this franchise, albeit wrapped up in a potential headcase. But if he gets his head straight, and he's only 22, him and Pacioretty would give Montreal a power-forward duo they haven't seen in like forever. Maybe it's the team he's playing with or maybe it's his linemates, I do not know ... for all I know it could be just him, but I expected more from a #4 overall prospect who's projected to be an NHL power forward. The sports media seems to like this guy, though. I just don't know if he's another Max Pacioretty, or if he's another Guillaume Latendresse. Cheers. It's pretty widely regarded that he and coach Noel don't see eye to eye. The thing that sticks in my craw the most is the picture of Evander in Las Vegas with at least $20000 in cash in his hands. It's a bragging, look at me, photo in a time where people are scraping by and looking at athletes as spoiled brats. It was a PR nightmare that got swept under the rug, but I still question his attitude. If that was PK, he'd have been strung up from the CN Tower. I think Pacioretty is the better overall player, and will continue to be, but Kane is a more dynamic skater. He rushed end to end this week and flew through the entire opposition. He didn't score, but created a great chance and really showed off his incredible speed. |
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Post by sergejean on Dec 21, 2013 7:51:43 GMT -5
Maybe it's the team he's playing with or maybe it's his linemates, I do not know ... for all I know it could be just him, but I expected more from a #4 overall prospect who's projected to be an NHL power forward. The sports media seems to like this guy, though. I just don't know if he's another Max Pacioretty, or if he's another Guillaume Latendresse. Cheers. It's pretty widely regarded that he and coach Noel don't see eye to eye. The thing that sticks in my craw the most is the picture of Evander in Las Vegas with at least $20000 in cash in his hands. It's a bragging, look at me, photo in a time where people are scraping by and looking at athletes as spoiled brats. It was a PR nightmare that got swept under the rug, but I still question his attitude. If that was PK, he'd have been strung up from the CN Tower. I think Pacioretty is the better overall player, and will continue to be, but Kane is a more dynamic skater. He rushed end to end this week and flew through the entire opposition. He didn't score, but created a great chance and really showed off his incredible speed. MB values "character" so I don't see us being interested in Kane unless MB is confident about this trait. If he is interested however, I could see Eller and Gally going the other way with maybe a draft pick. |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 21, 2013 16:26:20 GMT -5
Don't forget he's also 22 years old with a whack of money. Tyler Seguin has had the same issues and the Bruins sent him packing. Was it the right move? While Smith and Ericksson are decent players, they don't have the game breaking ability Seguin is beginning to show. Maybe all he needed was a responsible teammate to take him under his wing. In Boston, he had Marchand, Lucic and Horton. Nuff said.
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Post by jkr on Dec 22, 2013 11:32:08 GMT -5
Larry Brooks is reporting the Pacioretty rumor in this incredibly lazy piece of reporting. He gets both Therrien's & Bergevin's names wrong.  nypost.com/2013/12/21/nhl-must-meet-about-game-safety/EDIT: when I posted this article Brooks wrote that the Habs coach & GM were Jacques Martin ( really Larry?) and Marc Bergeron. He must of got slammed for his lazy ass reporting ( I know I tweeted him) and the article has been corrected. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 22, 2013 12:31:45 GMT -5
Don't forget he's also 22 years old with a whack of money. Tyler Seguin has had the same issues and the Bruins sent him packing. Was it the right move? While Smith and Ericksson are decent players, they don't have the game breaking ability Seguin is beginning to show. Maybe all he needed was a responsible teammate to take him under his wing. In Boston, he had Marchand, Lucic and Horton. Nuff said. I saw some highlights of Winnipeg recently and I saw what BC was talking about. Kane was pretty much featured in that clip. He was hitting, he had the wheels and the soft hands. Does he show this all the time or is he another Stephan Richer? Cheers. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 23, 2013 14:56:56 GMT -5
Just read that Larry Brooks is saying the Habs have let it known that Patches is available.. He's not Therriens type of player... WTF??? Hockey I/O report on Brooks articleI guess MT just wants a team of BooBoo's and Diaz's. Patches speaks his mind and that is not alllowed. I guess what the Habs really need is to trade another power forward to the Flyers so he can go on to score 50 goals a season and over 300 in a career. If this is true then I think it is time to hang them up and give up on this team. |
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Post by blny on Dec 23, 2013 15:49:56 GMT -5
Not sure how reliable a source "Slapshots" is.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 23, 2013 16:03:38 GMT -5
I guess MT just wants a team of BooBoo's and Diaz's. Patches speaks his mind and that is not alllowed. I guess what the Habs really need is to trade another power forward to the Flyers so he can go on to score 50 goals a season and over 300 in a career. If this is true then I think it is time to hang them up and give up on this team. Or time for Molson to remove both Bergevin and Therrien. Therrien is the real problem, but that affliction was caused by Berg. Just don't understand how a guy can put together a decent organization with the exception of the head coach and farm team coach. Two critical ingredients and you blow it on both. |
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Post by duster on Dec 23, 2013 17:45:48 GMT -5
I think Brooks is simply expressing wishful thinking. I don't see Bergevin making the same kind of mistakes as Houle did in order to please his coach(Roy, Turgeon etc...). At least, I hope not.
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 23, 2013 20:36:05 GMT -5
I think Brooks is simply expressing wishful thinking. I don't see Bergevin making the same kind of mistakes as Houle did in order to please his coach(Roy, Turgeon etc...). At least, I hope not. I don't know if there is a conflict between Therrien and Pacioretty, but leaving that aside for a moment let's face it; if you want to get significant assets, you're going to have to give up significant assets. Not too many teams have given up on the playoffs yet, so chanting "Beaulieu, Beaulieu, Beaulieu" isn't going to magically makes teams give up a top six forward. They're going to want something tangible - and immediate - in return. Pacioretty is our most desirable asset from other team's standpoints. He has the size, age, contract and production that everyone wants, including us. The two teams that Brooks mention as being the most interested are the Flyers and the Islanders, neither of whom who have distinguished themselves of late with their deals. Dangling a carrot like Pacioretty in front of those two (desperate) GMs might just be enough to get them to do something stupid. I'm not giving him away. But on the other hand I'm not making him untouchable either. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 23, 2013 20:49:31 GMT -5
Just read that Larry Brooks is saying the Habs have let it known that Patches is available.. He's not Therriens type of player... WTF??? Hockey I/O report on Brooks articleI guess MT just wants a team of BooBoo's and Diaz's. Patches speaks his mind and that is not alllowed. I guess what the Habs really need is to trade another power forward to the Flyers so he can go on to score 50 goals a season and over 300 in a career. If this is true then I think it is time to hang them up and give up on this team. Brooks, IMO, has no credibility. This article has been corrected because he was getting rightfully slammed for his lazy reporting. When I read the article several days ago it was Jacques Martin & Marc Bergeron, not Therrien & Bergevin. No wonder Tortorella didn't like the guy. He's a lazy hack who doesn't know what he is talking about. I can't take anything he says seriously. |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 23, 2013 21:09:51 GMT -5
Just read that Larry Brooks is saying the Habs have let it known that Patches is available.. He's not Therriens type of player... WTF??? Hockey I/O report on Brooks articleI guess MT just wants a team of BooBoo's and Diaz's. Patches speaks his mind and that is not alllowed. I guess what the Habs really need is to trade another power forward to the Flyers so he can go on to score 50 goals a season and over 300 in a career. If this is true then I think it is time to hang them up and give up on this team. Brooks, IMO, has no credibility. This article has been corrected because he was getting rightfully slammed for his lazy reporting. When I read the article several days ago it was Jacques Martin & Marc Bergeron, not Therrien & Bergevin. No wonder Tortorella didn't like the guy. He's a lazy hack who doesn't know what he is talking about. I can't take anything he says seriously. I wouldn't bet a nickel on anything Brooks, or Garrioch for that matter, predicts. |
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Post by Roggy on Dec 24, 2013 10:43:00 GMT -5
If Philly wants Pacioretty, hey can hand over Couturier, Simmonds, Morin and a good pick. If WPG can ask for 4 pieces for Kane, Habs can ask for 4 for Patches.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 24, 2013 15:08:01 GMT -5
If Philly wants Pacioretty, hey can hand over Couturier, Simmonds, Morin and a good pick. If WPG can ask for 4 pieces for Kane, Habs can ask for 4 for Patches. I'd include DD in with patches... Won't happen though. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 24, 2013 17:07:43 GMT -5
He says two teams are making serious enquiries for Pacioretty. Yet, there's nothing to suggest that Bergevin is even remotely interested in moving his top power forward.
Even the supposed feud between Therrien and Pacioretty is an unsubtantiated rumour.
Wondering if maybe Brooks just siezed an opportunity to audition for a tabloid. That's about how much stock I put in his reporting outside of New York.
Cheers.
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Post by christrpn on Jan 2, 2014 17:47:43 GMT -5
Hearing a lot of chatter about a deal with the sabres. The players involved would be Briere and Ott. Other player might be involved as well
It could be as small as Briere for prospects/picks, or big like Bourque/Briere for Ott/Stafford.
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 2, 2014 20:04:43 GMT -5
I would guess Moulson for Briere?
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Post by HFTO on Jan 2, 2014 20:29:31 GMT -5
Shocked that the Sabres would want Briere but he was a hometown favorite and it helps them tank for Reinhart and McKinnon in the next 2 drafts...Ott Stafford Myers would be on the radar I'm sure Moulson as well but he would be way more valuable at the deadline for teams looking for goal scorer.
Seems to be a ton of smoke and probably a lot of wishful thinking on Habs fans and MB I'm sure....would be even better if Bourque and Gionta could get dumped as well,then the purge aside from Moen would be complete.
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Post by blny on Jan 2, 2014 23:21:16 GMT -5
Methinks you mean McDavid  . I don't think Briere stops the tanking, but I can't imagine there would be any takers short of a team looking to get rid of a longer term contract. IE: one more year of Briere is better than ... |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 3, 2014 9:58:42 GMT -5
Does Briere have an NMC in his contract? Someone on Hockey I/O commented that he waived it.
Have any of you heard this?
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Post by Polarice on Jan 3, 2014 10:31:20 GMT -5
If we get Myers and Ott for Briere and Diaz and a 1st I'll be dancing in my office!!
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 3, 2014 11:06:33 GMT -5
If we get Myers and Ott for Briere and Diaz and a 1st I'll be dancing in my office!! The buffalo GM would have to be high on chicken wings to make that deal. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 3, 2014 11:15:14 GMT -5
Well they really don't have a GM in place since Reiger was let go, so maybe Lafontaine will pull a Houle and give his players away for nothing!
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Post by franko on Jan 3, 2014 12:01:37 GMT -5
only if they are dumping contracts. don't think briere fits that
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Post by jkr on Jan 3, 2014 13:07:50 GMT -5
I've seen the Stafford rumors on anothere site too but haven't seen anything about Ott.
The TO radio guys were mentioning this situation this morning. They feel that with the Sabres in a nostalgic mood ( bring back Lafontaine & Nolan) they may want Briere for the same reason. And Briere, having been there before, may agree to it.
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Post by HFTO on Jan 3, 2014 16:42:32 GMT -5
Lol Blny call me Cherry Mcwhatever you got the point anyways that could be the plan get better to a point and stockpile players picks and 2 -3yrs from now be the next Colorado.
Have seen Moulson rumours as well connected in this potential deal but that has to require a first as well.
Whatever goes down this would almost be to good for the Habs would love Bourque to go the other way as well but that may be getting carried away.
HFTO
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. I don't think Briere stops the tanking, but I can't imagine there would be any takers short of a team looking to get rid of a longer term contract. IE: one more year of Briere is better than ...
