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Post by christrpn on Nov 30, 2013 9:19:40 GMT -5
I know every year, every summer, around Christmas time, well all year really, Habs nation erupts with trade rumors. Pacioretty's name has been mentioned these past few days and MB has said that they are not shopping Max, but teams have inquired about him. I never believed he was in play and while I believe anyone is trade-able given the right offer(see Gretzky and Roy), I never thought MB would consider trading our top goal scoring prospect.
Bob Mackenzie reportedly said that MB is looking to make a big move and that anyone outside the young core is in play, including MP. He is rarely off the mark, I'm just wondering what Habs nation would be willing to take in return, if willing to trade him at all. I hear E. Kane is in play in Winnipeg. E.Kane+Pick(s)?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 30, 2013 9:47:04 GMT -5
Going to move this to the "rumours" board, Christrpn.
You're right, though. Yes, the word around the league is that Bergevin wants to deal. Mac was specific about that.
Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 30, 2013 11:49:08 GMT -5
Interesting that the desire to trade has heated up after the team has started to play better. If I was GM, I'd still be concerned over our size issue and the fact that Bournival, for example, is playing where he shouldn't be (4th line). There are two positions in which we have depth, defense and left wing. It would be surprising if Patches was moved, though, as he is a strong skating, fast, powerful forward with a good shot. A legitimate goal scorer, and who doesn't need that? So why would we move him? Only to get the same thing back (Evander Kane for example) and then you wonder why make that trade in the first place? Kane, a reasonable replacement, is also a left winger, so that doesn't address any balance issues.
On defense, who would you move? Not PK. If you're cold blooded, Markov is a possibility if only because of age and CAP issues, but certainly not for talent reasons. Emelin would not be moved and Gorges is enough of a leader that Berg would probably like to keep him as well. No one would care if Murray, Cube or Diaz were moved as they are replaceable. Then there's Beaulieu and Tinordi on the farm. Better to keep both, but they are expendable for the right price, though Tinordi would require a righter price than NB. Too many ifs in any scenario one could consider.
I'd do the Kane for Patches deal btw. Kane may be a headache, or he could just be a guy that hates losing and doesn't see the situation in Winnipeg getting better much faster. He's very equal to Patches with a bit more toughness.
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Post by frozone on Nov 30, 2013 15:17:39 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but I think the smartest guy to trade would be Prust. He's 29 years old, and he's played very hard minutes throughout his career. Not to mention, we've started to see his injury count trend upwards. Yes, I would be worried about what his departure would do to the team's morale, but if somehow we could get someone like Wayne Simmonds coming back, I think we're younger and better. I don't think Philly would do this deal straight up, but I would absolutely target Simmonds.
I would have gone after Chris Stewart back when his dry spell was just as bad as DD's. But it seems like he started producing ever since playing us, so its too late I guess...
As of right now, Troy Brouwer is a right handed shot who seems to be struggling in Washington. If MB wanted to buy low, Brouwer might be a possibility.
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 30, 2013 16:56:49 GMT -5
In last few games tried to pick out some opponent's players who may be good fit here. Moulson or Myers in last game. Moulson consistent 30 goal scorer, don't know what to give up though? Myers be good fit in our back end...maybe even up for Tinordi? Matt Martin I noticed a few games back. Decent fighter, excellent hitter and good shot blocked, good 4th liner, signed long term reasonable. Islanders not hard to deal with, should be attainable.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 30, 2013 18:38:24 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but I think the smartest guy to trade would be Prust. He's 29 years old, and he's played very hard minutes throughout his career. Not to mention, we've started to see his injury count trend upwards. Yes, I would be worried about what his departure would do to the team's morale, but if somehow we could get someone like Wayne Simmonds coming back, I think we're younger and better. I don't think Philly would do this deal straight up, but I would absolutely target Simmonds. I would have gone after Chris Stewart back when his dry spell was just as bad as DD's. But it seems like he started producing ever since playing us, so its too late I guess... As of right now, Troy Brouwer is a right handed shot who seems to be struggling in Washington. If MB wanted to buy low, Brouwer might be a possibility. You mentioned two guys that I'd target as well. Wayne Simmons and Chris Stewart. I've followed Simmmons from his days in LA. Chris Stewart is a no-nonsense kind of player. Both play tough and both can back it up. Philadelphia is starting to win more than lose recently. I'm not sure who'd be in the driver's seat on any potential trade. The Flyers need a goaltender and I'm not so sure we have one to offer them. Not sure what St Louis' needs are, but Chris Stewart is a big part of their team. Cheers. |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 30, 2013 20:06:43 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but I think the smartest guy to trade would be Prust. He's 29 years old, and he's played very hard minutes throughout his career. Not to mention, we've started to see his injury count trend upwards. Yes, I would be worried about what his departure would do to the team's morale, but if somehow we could get someone like Wayne Simmonds coming back, I think we're younger and better. I don't think Philly would do this deal straight up, but I would absolutely target Simmonds. I would have gone after Chris Stewart back when his dry spell was just as bad as DD's. But it seems like he started producing ever since playing us, so its too late I guess... As of right now, Troy Brouwer is a right handed shot who seems to be struggling in Washington. If MB wanted to buy low, Brouwer might be a possibility. You mentioned two guys that I'd target as well. Wayne Simmons and Chris Stewart. I've followed Simmmons from his days in LA. Chris Stewart is a no-nonsense kind of player. Both play tough and both can back it up. Philadelphia is starting to win more than lose recently. I'm not sure who'd be in the driver's seat on any potential trade. The Flyers need a goaltender and I'm not so sure we have one to offer them. Not sure what St Louis' needs are, but Chris Stewart is a big part of their team. Cheers. Rumours have it Stewart is lazy. Not sure if we want to build on players like that. Simmonds will take a core player to get out of Philly |
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Post by christrpn on Dec 1, 2013 8:23:59 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 1, 2013 18:54:51 GMT -5
You mentioned two guys that I'd target as well. Wayne Simmons and Chris Stewart. I've followed Simmmons from his days in LA. Chris Stewart is a no-nonsense kind of player. Both play tough and both can back it up. Philadelphia is starting to win more than lose recently. I'm not sure who'd be in the driver's seat on any potential trade. The Flyers need a goaltender and I'm not so sure we have one to offer them. Not sure what St Louis' needs are, but Chris Stewart is a big part of their team. Cheers. Rumours have it Stewart is lazy. Not sure if we want to build on players like that. Simmonds will take a core player to get out of Philly I heard this about his brother, Anthony. I think I may have heard this about Chris when he was in Colorado. He's with St Louis now and I haven't heard anything out of St Louis to suggest he's another Rene Bourque (that's not to say there isn't anything to suggest that, I just haven't heard it out of StL saying he is). I think he's the kind of player we could really use. He's big, he goes to the net and he can take care of himself. In this picture he's wearing an "A" on his jersey. The journalist even suggests that the Avs try to get him back. I'm honestly not sure if he's lazy or not, but like I said I may/may not have heard this about him in Colorado. If that is so, I'd suggest that he's probably progressed. Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 1, 2013 19:02:00 GMT -5
Imagine if Beaulieu turns out to be another Ryan McDonagh? Man alive! Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Dec 1, 2013 19:39:47 GMT -5
He's a different player than McD, but I get what you mean. Personally, I wouldn't trade Nate for Brassard. He's not an improvement on anything we have.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 1, 2013 23:44:32 GMT -5
If Mb makes that trade with the Rangers he should be tarred and feathered and committed ...
Rick Nash and Derrick Brassard for Pacioretty, Desharnais, Tinordi AND our first rounder!!! Why don't we just open the vault, fer Cripes sake
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Post by seventeen on Dec 2, 2013 0:44:47 GMT -5
I agree with you Skilly, but I think this 'rumour' is more a brain cramp on the part of a 'journalist', who can't come with a good idea for his column or blog and spins a tale of swampland in Florida. I like Rick Nash, but Max is producing as well as him right now, so this marvellous trade boils down to Derrick (love a party) Brassard for DD, Tinordi and our first rounder. He's not worth any of those three on their own, much less all three together. Twelve points in 27 games and a -5 (if you can believe the NHL stats).
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Post by madhabber on Dec 2, 2013 12:37:23 GMT -5
I agree with you Skilly, but I think this 'rumour' is more a brain cramp on the part of a 'journalist', who can't come with a good idea for his column or blog and spins a tale of swampland in Florida. I like Rick Nash, but Max is producing as well as him right now, so this marvellous trade boils down to Derrick (love a party) Brassard for DD, Tinordi and our first rounder. He's not worth any of those three on their own, much less all three together. Twelve points in 27 games and a -5 (if you can believe the NHL stats). Patches cap hit is way more affordable than Nash. 4.5 vs 7.8 both long term. Nash has peaked, Patches is hitting his peak. 29 vs 25 years of age. To me, it's very easy to keep Patches. Brassard is a UFA according to NHL site. 26 years old 7 years in the league. RFA on CapGeek. I tend to believe the NHL site. He has always been a very disappointing player who never lived up to expectations. I would not give Tinordi and our first for him and throw in DD for good measure. The cap numbers coming our way would be $11M versus $9M or $8M depending on where Tinordi plays. I don't think we have enough room for this deal without throwing the Rangers another expensive gift. Like a Rene Bourque or Brandon Prust. I can see exchanging centers Brassard for DD. I'm not even sure I'd throw in something because of the expiring contract. This deal doesn't make much sense if we are still building for the future rather than going for it this year. Not when both Patches and DD have both woken up and are starting to put up the numbers we expect from them. |
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Post by blny on Dec 2, 2013 12:57:06 GMT -5
Nash has always been an underachiever imo. Immense skill, but never puts it all together night to night. He's been hurt this year too. Is he back playing yet? For those that question Max's physical play, it goes with his offensive output imo. When he's clicking offensively, like he is right now, his physical play amps up too. I've never really considered Nash a physical presence despite his size.
DD has started to turn it around it appears. Brassard might be taller, but I don't consider him any stronger. If the goal is to merely get out from under the DD contract fine, but there have to be better options than a 7 year pro who's never even remotely come close to DD's best season. Brassard's best season of 47 points. DD may never reach 60 points again, but at least we know he can get there.
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Post by madhabber on Dec 2, 2013 15:06:02 GMT -5
In the last three seasons, their numbers are as follows:
Nash 136-55-55-110
Brassard 148-31-51-82
Patches 141-57-59-116
DD 154-28-67-95
So I guess this trade wouldn't be to add offense. Just size, (witch they don't use anymore than our guys) salary and age. 192 points versus 211. Not adding durability either, both our guys played a few extra games. What is it we would be trying to get out of this.
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Post by madhabber on Dec 2, 2013 15:06:34 GMT -5
In the last three seasons, their numbers are as follows:
Nash 136-55-55-110
Brassard 148-31-51-82
Patches 141-57-59-116
DD 154-28-67-95
So I guess this trade wouldn't be to add offense. Just size, (witch they don't use anymore than our guys) salary and age. 192 points versus 211. Not adding durability either, both our guys played a few extra games. What is it we would be trying to get out of this.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 2, 2013 16:46:49 GMT -5
In the last three seasons, their numbers are as follows: Nash 136-55-55-110 Brassard 148-31-51-82 Patches 141-57-59-116 DD 154-28-67-95 So I guess this trade wouldn't be to add offense. Just size, (witch they don't use anymore than our guys) salary and age. 192 points versus 211. Not adding durability either, both our guys played a few extra games. What is it we would be trying to get out of this. Rumors are distractions and disruptive. How would any of us like rumors like, "Skilly and his wife are rumored to be seeking a trade with the postman and the barmaid." Dis was seen talking to the cashier at Canadian Tire. Seventeen orders donuts from the same girl at Tim Hortons five days a week. Suspicious? Yes these guys are professionals and come under public scruitiny for their performance or non-performance, but if there isn't evidence it's just conjecture by twits on twitter (whatever twitter is). |
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Post by blny on Dec 4, 2013 13:04:31 GMT -5
May as well put this here.
Adrian Dater is running Eklund's story that Montreal and Colorado are in talks. Could be 2 players coming this way and 4 going the other. Window for deal could be mid Dec to mid Jan.
Statsny and McGinn perhaps? If there's anything behind it, the wait could be to see if DD continues to produce. I think he'd be a logical piece going the other way. Avs are looking for help on D. Diaz could be another. Statsny's a UFA-to-be making $6.6 million (ouch given his production). McGinn's an RFA making $1.75 million and would help our LW situation. Love to throw Bourque in that deal. Statsny would at least get us out from under DD's contract.
Statsny + McGinn for DD + Diaz and Bourque. Avs get a center and help on D. They get a LW who can score for a cap friendly amount. We get a center with size, and a LW with some jam and can score some. Cap wise the deal is a virtual wash. Bourque would have to waive his NTC.
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Post by jkr on Dec 4, 2013 14:05:56 GMT -5
May as well put this here. Adrian Dater is running Eklund's story that Montreal and Colorado are in talks. Could be 2 players coming this way and 4 going the other. Window for deal could be mid Dec to mid Jan. Statsny and McGinn perhaps? If there's anything behind it, the wait could be to see if DD continues to produce. I think he'd be a logical piece going the other way. Avs are looking for help on D. Diaz could be another. Statsny's a UFA-to-be making $6.6 million (ouch given his production). McGinn's an RFA making $1.75 million and would help our LW situation. Love to throw Bourque in that deal. Statsny would at least get us out from under DD's contract. Statsny + McGinn for DD + Diaz and Bourque. Avs get a center and help on D. They get a LW who can score for a cap friendly amount. We get a center with size, and a LW with some jam and can score some. Cap wise the deal is a virtual wash. Bourque would have to waive his NTC. The internet rumors I see ( re: Colorado) refer to Ryan O' Reilly, not Statsny. He's carrying a big ticket this season & is RFA at the end of the year. |
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Post by blny on Dec 4, 2013 15:05:41 GMT -5
May as well put this here. Adrian Dater is running Eklund's story that Montreal and Colorado are in talks. Could be 2 players coming this way and 4 going the other. Window for deal could be mid Dec to mid Jan. Statsny and McGinn perhaps? If there's anything behind it, the wait could be to see if DD continues to produce. I think he'd be a logical piece going the other way. Avs are looking for help on D. Diaz could be another. Statsny's a UFA-to-be making $6.6 million (ouch given his production). McGinn's an RFA making $1.75 million and would help our LW situation. Love to throw Bourque in that deal. Statsny would at least get us out from under DD's contract. Statsny + McGinn for DD + Diaz and Bourque. Avs get a center and help on D. They get a LW who can score for a cap friendly amount. We get a center with size, and a LW with some jam and can score some. Cap wise the deal is a virtual wash. Bourque would have to waive his NTC. The internet rumors I see ( re: Colorado) refer to Ryan O' Reilly, not Statsny. He's carrying a big ticket this season & is RFA at the end of the year. I'd rather O'Reilly, but I think he'll cost more. Likely have to give up Tinordi or Beaulieu in that one. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 4, 2013 15:12:44 GMT -5
May as well put this here. Adrian Dater is running Eklund's story that Montreal and Colorado are in talks. Could be 2 players coming this way and 4 going the other. Window for deal could be mid Dec to mid Jan. Statsny and McGinn perhaps? If there's anything behind it, the wait could be to see if DD continues to produce. I think he'd be a logical piece going the other way. Avs are looking for help on D. Diaz could be another. Statsny's a UFA-to-be making $6.6 million (ouch given his production). McGinn's an RFA making $1.75 million and would help our LW situation. Love to throw Bourque in that deal. Statsny would at least get us out from under DD's contract. Statsny + McGinn for DD + Diaz and Bourque. Avs get a center and help on D. They get a LW who can score for a cap friendly amount. We get a center with size, and a LW with some jam and can score some. Cap wise the deal is a virtual wash. Bourque would have to waive his NTC. Salary cap is everything when looking at a deal. If Bergevin agrees to O'Reilly, then he'll agree to a future headache, IMHO. He held out once and, while I don't have a crystal ball, I dare say he'll hold out again. This, and the fact that Subban's contract still has to be negotiated, makes taking on additional salary a bit tricky. [#need Subban more]Cheers. |
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Post by frozone on Dec 4, 2013 15:34:05 GMT -5
Like blny, I would prefer O'Reilly. But like Dis, I'd be worried about how much money he would ask for demand.
I've been vehemently against trading Plekanec because there are so few 2way players of his calibre in the league. O'Reilly will probably be even better than Pleks, but I still don't think I could bring myself to take on O'Reilly. Part of what makes Pleks so great is his ability to play so well with virtually any linemate and to do it without complaining and on a fair contract.
I'm not sure we would get that kind of value with O'Reilly. Excellent player though, and if money's not an issue...
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Post by blny on Dec 4, 2013 15:59:04 GMT -5
The O'Reilly hold out is a good point. If I'm Berg I'd quietly want to find out the player's intentions. His current 2 year deal is a $5 million cap hit and $6.5 million actual this year. Hard pressed to think he'd get more than that, but I was surprised he got that much in the first place (even though I think he's on the rise).
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Post by jkr on Dec 5, 2013 7:45:45 GMT -5
Who is calling the shots in Colorado now - Sakic, Roy?
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Post by blny on Dec 5, 2013 7:56:15 GMT -5
Who is calling the shots in Colorado now - Sakic, Roy? They have assumed control yes. |
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Post by Polarice on Dec 5, 2013 11:08:44 GMT -5
Listening to the radio on the way to work, they were talking leafs (big surprise)they were talking about the possibility that if the Leafs were on the outside looking in at the trade deadline that you may see them try and dump Clarkson. Now first, I can't see that happening unless the GM is on his way out, but do you think if it were gonna happen that the Habs would be interested? They were saying the Leafs would be after a top Dman!!
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Post by blny on Dec 5, 2013 11:19:51 GMT -5
Zero interest in Clarkson.
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Post by franko on Dec 5, 2013 11:26:16 GMT -5
Leafs are saying "take this contract off our hands and give us a great d-man in return"? sorry, Gainey isn't GM any more.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 5, 2013 11:28:03 GMT -5
Maybe, if they throw in Morgan Reilly.
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