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Post by BadCompany on Jan 23, 2014 8:05:48 GMT -5
Keep an eye on the Anaheim Ducks. They're lights out this year, especially at home, but their powerplay is decidedly mediocre. With the news that Sheldon Souray will not be back this year their "internal options" for improving in that area aren't looking so good anymore. Luca Sbisa is also due to return from injury soon, and he could help out some there, but I would bet more on the Ducks looking for external help for what they hope to be a LONG playoff run. The Ducks also have two first rounders and two second rounders to play with in this year's draft.
Markov would be an excellent addition for them, though I think they would probably prefer somebody who shoots right handed. Saku's influence might come into play here. If it comes to that would Sbisa and a 2nd rounder be enough for us?
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Post by jkr on Jan 23, 2014 8:18:20 GMT -5
After watching Markov struggle again last night I have no idea what his value is. His mobility looks seriously comprimised.
I know Anaheim would insulate him to some extent but I don't know if he could fetch a player & a high pick.
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 23, 2014 8:22:22 GMT -5
After watching Markov struggle again last night I have no idea what his value is. His mobility looks seriously comprimised. I know Anaheim would insulate him to some extent but I don't know if he could fetch a player & a high pick. I think maybe wearing down as season goes along, he's playing too many minutes for a guy his age |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 23, 2014 17:17:51 GMT -5
Keep an eye on the Anaheim Ducks. They're lights out this year, especially at home, but their powerplay is decidedly mediocre. With the news that Sheldon Souray will not be back this year their "internal options" for improving in that area aren't looking so good anymore. Luca Sbisa is also due to return from injury soon, and he could help out some there, but I would bet more on the Ducks looking for external help for what they hope to be a LONG playoff run. The Ducks also have two first rounders and two second rounders to play with in this year's draft. Markov would be an excellent addition for them, though I think they would probably prefer somebody who shoots right handed. Saku's influence might come into play here. If it comes to that would Sbisa and a 2nd rounder be enough for us? Why Sbisa? What does he bring? I looked at his stats and he's neither tough or offensive. Why not Patrick Maroon and Lindholm and we throw in our second? After all, we are going to finish off the PP is we don't get some degree of offense back. |
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Post by BadCompany on Jan 24, 2014 8:55:14 GMT -5
Keep an eye on the Anaheim Ducks. They're lights out this year, especially at home, but their powerplay is decidedly mediocre. With the news that Sheldon Souray will not be back this year their "internal options" for improving in that area aren't looking so good anymore. Luca Sbisa is also due to return from injury soon, and he could help out some there, but I would bet more on the Ducks looking for external help for what they hope to be a LONG playoff run. The Ducks also have two first rounders and two second rounders to play with in this year's draft. Markov would be an excellent addition for them, though I think they would probably prefer somebody who shoots right handed. Saku's influence might come into play here. If it comes to that would Sbisa and a 2nd rounder be enough for us? Why Sbisa? What does he bring? I looked at his stats and he's neither tough or offensive. Why not Patrick Maroon and Lindholm and we throw in our second? After all, we are going to finish off the PP is we don't get some degree of offense back. Hey, if Bergevin can pull that off I would be all for it. But I don't think the Ducks are all that eager to trade a 19 year old, former 6th overall draft pick who is already playing close to 20 minutes a game for them in Lindholm. I picked Sbisa because he's a young defenseman who can play in the NHL already. He's not going to be a star, but then I don't think we're going to get a star for Markov anymore. Not with his contract status, age, injury history and, shall we say "sporadic" play of late. But if Bergevin can, more power to him. I only chose the Ducks because they look like a good trade fit for us. A contending team that has a mediocre powerplay... And who just found out that the guy they were hoping would step in to help their powerplay isn't coming back this year (Souray). So I definitely think they will be in the market for a specialist like that, and I also think that Markov would be more willing to waive his no trade clause to go there. As opposed to say Edmonton. Just speculating anyways. |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 24, 2014 14:01:01 GMT -5
Why Sbisa? What does he bring? I looked at his stats and he's neither tough or offensive. Why not Patrick Maroon and Lindholm and we throw in our second? After all, we are going to finish off the PP is we don't get some degree of offense back. Hey, if Bergevin can pull that off I would be all for it. But I don't think the Ducks are all that eager to trade a 19 year old, former 6th overall draft pick who is already playing close to 20 minutes a game for them in Lindholm. I picked Sbisa because he's a young defenseman who can play in the NHL already. He's not going to be a star, but then I don't think we're going to get a star for Markov anymore. Not with his contract status, age, injury history and, shall we say "sporadic" play of late. But if Bergevin can, more power to him. I only chose the Ducks because they look like a good trade fit for us. A contending team that has a mediocre powerplay... And who just found out that the guy they were hoping would step in to help their powerplay isn't coming back this year (Souray). So I definitely think they will be in the market for a specialist like that, and I also think that Markov would be more willing to waive his no trade clause to go there. As opposed to say Edmonton. Just speculating anyways. The problem is that Sbisa is nothing but a 5th or 6th which we have developing in the minors. Is he ahead or will be ahead of Tinordi. Beau and Pateryn a year from now? Two? Then why? I rather have more and give a little more then plain, sign-any-time-the-off-season filler. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 24, 2014 16:12:14 GMT -5
6' 2", 207 lbs and some decent offensive upside. I'd certainly consider him. He was drafted in 2008, which for some reason was a gold mine for defensemen. Starting from the top, there was Doughty, Bogosian, Pietrangelo, Schenn, Myers, Colton Teubert, Karlsson, Jake Gardiner, Sbisa, Del Zotto, Tyler Cuma, John Carlson in Round one and then in Round Two - Voynov, Cody Goloubef, and it starts to weaken after that, except for these guys....Roman Josi of Nashville, Weircioch of Ottawa, Justin Schultz, Travis Hamonic, and Marco Scandella of Minny. That's an incredible number of solid defensemen to come out of one draft. Sbisa was in there, so is he one of the good guys or not so good guys? Odds are the former simply because of the quality of the draft for dmen. Fifteen dmen in the first two rounds are regular NHL defensemen (I didnt include Sbisa or it would be 16). BTW, that's the same draft Pateryn was taken in round 5. The highlighted guys are the ones that didn't make it or are not developing well.
Besides, Sbisa is Italian and we haven't had one on the team since Phil Roberto and Sergio Momesso, two good guys.
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Post by jkr on Jan 25, 2014 6:26:55 GMT -5
6' 2", 207 lbs and some decent offensive upside. I'd certainly consider him. He was drafted in 2008, which for some reason was a gold mine for defensemen. Starting from the top, there was Doughty, Bogosian, Pietrangelo, Schenn, Myers, Colton Teubert, Karlsson, Jake Gardiner, Sbisa, Del Zotto, Tyler Cuma, John Carlson in Round one and then in Round Two - Voynov, Cody Goloubef, and it starts to weaken after that, except for these guys....Roman Josi of Nashville, Weircioch of Ottawa, Justin Schultz, Travis Hamonic, and Marco Scandella of Minny. That's an incredible number of solid defensemen to come out of one draft. Sbisa was in there, so is he one of the good guys or not so good guys? Odds are the former simply because of the quality of the draft for dmen. Fifteen dmen in the first two rounds are regular NHL defensemen (I didnt include Sbisa or it would be 16). BTW, that's the same draft Pateryn was taken in round 5. The highlighted guys are the ones that didn't make it or are not developing well. Besides, Sbisa is Italian and we haven't had one on the team since Phil Roberto and Sergio Momesso, two good guys. He's actually Swiss. Philly sent him to Anaheim as part of the Pronger trade. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 27, 2014 14:33:35 GMT -5
According to Renaud Lavoie a trade for P.A. Parenteau getting close.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 27, 2014 14:46:21 GMT -5
6' 2", 207 lbs and some decent offensive upside. I'd certainly consider him. He was drafted in 2008, which for some reason was a gold mine for defensemen. Starting from the top, there was Doughty, Bogosian, Pietrangelo, Schenn, Myers, Colton Teubert, Karlsson, Jake Gardiner, Sbisa, Del Zotto, Tyler Cuma, John Carlson in Round one and then in Round Two - Voynov, Cody Goloubef, and it starts to weaken after that, except for these guys....Roman Josi of Nashville, Weircioch of Ottawa, Justin Schultz, Travis Hamonic, and Marco Scandella of Minny. That's an incredible number of solid defensemen to come out of one draft. Sbisa was in there, so is he one of the good guys or not so good guys? Odds are the former simply because of the quality of the draft for dmen. Fifteen dmen in the first two rounds are regular NHL defensemen (I didnt include Sbisa or it would be 16). BTW, that's the same draft Pateryn was taken in round 5. The highlighted guys are the ones that didn't make it or are not developing well. Besides, Sbisa is Italian and we haven't had one on the team since Phil Roberto and Sergio Momesso, two good guys. He's actually Swiss. Philly sent him to Anaheim as part of the Pronger trade. Hockeydb has him born in Ozieri, Italy. ?? I'd have more luck believing he is Swiss if his last name was Rolex, Nestle, or "StolenWWIIpaintings". Yes, I think I recall in his draft year as being described as Swiss and certainly, they have a better hockey system than Italy's, which would feature 8 foot by 8 yard nets. I was born in Italy, so I can say that  |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 27, 2014 14:54:18 GMT -5
According to Renaud Lavoie a trade for P.A. Parenteau getting close. Third line guy, unless you're playing with Taveres. OK player, but who goes the other way? And are we catching a guy on the down slope? Mostly an AHL'er until he caught on with the Rangers in 2009 at the age of 26. Couple of good to very good years with the Islanders and almost a PPG with Colorado when he signed with them last season, but he's back down to 26 points in 41 games this year. Now 30 years old turning 31 in March. I think he'd be an improvement over many of our forwards, but depending on what we give back, I'd hate to think a primary reason is his last name. |
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Post by blny on Jan 27, 2014 16:10:08 GMT -5
According to Renaud Lavoie a trade for P.A. Parenteau getting close. Third line guy, unless you're playing with Taveres. OK player, but who goes the other way? And are we catching a guy on the down slope? Mostly an AHL'er until he caught on with the Rangers in 2009 at the age of 26. Couple of good to very good years with the Islanders and almost a PPG with Colorado when he signed with them last season, but he's back down to 26 points in 41 games this year. Now 30 years old turning 31 in March. I think he'd be an improvement over many of our forwards, but depending on what we give back, I'd hate to think a primary reason is his last name. French wasn't a priority for Bergevin in Chicago. I don't get the sense that French speaking players are a priority (which for me is all the more reason to remove the priority from the coaching ranks). He did put up ppg numbers last year in his first year in Colorado. Duschene can make guys look good too. Perhaps MacKinnon took his spot on the first line and that's why his numbers have dropped this year. He's got one more point than Desharnais. With two years left at $4 million a season, I'm not sure what you send the other way. He isn't exactly big. 5'11 and 195lbs. Scouting report on PA reads as one would expect. Not big, doesn't play big. Average skater. Very good offensive instincts. Can play all 3 forward positions. A slightly bigger Desharnais imo. If the Avs were thin at center, perhaps. They've got Duschene, Stastny and O'Reilly though. forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2515What does Colorado need? Looking at their roster, they're not exactly deep on defense. Erik Johnson, Jan Hejda, Ryan Wilson, and Cory Sarich are what appear to be the top 4. Not much offense from that group. Maybe a PMD? Diaz + ? |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 27, 2014 16:14:12 GMT -5
Third line guy, unless you're playing with Taveres. OK player, but who goes the other way? And are we catching a guy on the down slope? Mostly an AHL'er until he caught on with the Rangers in 2009 at the age of 26. Couple of good to very good years with the Islanders and almost a PPG with Colorado when he signed with them last season, but he's back down to 26 points in 41 games this year. Now 30 years old turning 31 in March. I think he'd be an improvement over many of our forwards, but depending on what we give back, I'd hate to think a primary reason is his last name. French wasn't a priority for Bergevin in Chicago. No need, of course, and in any case, he wasn't calling the shots in Chicago, Stan Bowman was. |
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Post by blny on Jan 27, 2014 16:21:06 GMT -5
Gorges for Parenteau? Cap-wise it's a wash. He'd have to waive his Limited NTC (which he has for the remainder of his deal).
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Post by franko on Jan 27, 2014 16:25:39 GMT -5
why?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 27, 2014 16:26:03 GMT -5
Keep an eye on the Anaheim Ducks. They're lights out this year, especially at home, but their powerplay is decidedly mediocre. With the news that Sheldon Souray will not be back this year their "internal options" for improving in that area aren't looking so good anymore. Luca Sbisa is also due to return from injury soon, and he could help out some there, but I would bet more on the Ducks looking for external help for what they hope to be a LONG playoff run. The Ducks also have two first rounders and two second rounders to play with in this year's draft. Markov would be an excellent addition for them, though I think they would probably prefer somebody who shoots right handed. Saku's influence might come into play here. If it comes to that would Sbisa and a 2nd rounder be enough for us? I think Markov would put the Ducks over the top, BC. Koivu would also endorse picking up Markov for the Cup run if he were available. Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Jan 27, 2014 16:41:56 GMT -5
I'm just extrapolating. If one feels that the Gorges of this year is the Gorges to get used to, then trading him isn't a bad idea. Parenteau is a top six winger that can play either side. He hurt his knee this year, and some Avs fans feel that is part of the reason his numbers have dipped. He's had strong seasons with two different clubs. He definitely a power play producer, which wouldn't hurt to have. Gorges is a top 4 guy. He'll never produce offensively. He'll eat up minutes, and be efficient. If Parenteau came in and gave the level of production he gave last year or the year before, we win the deal imo. If all he does is produce at 50 points a season, it's a wash. I'd also think that Bergevin would then have to fill Gorges' spot in the roster with someone from outside the club. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 27, 2014 17:25:27 GMT -5
According to Renaud Lavoie a trade for P.A. Parenteau getting close. TSN ticker saying Parenteau is a healthy scratch tonight. |
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Post by franko on Jan 27, 2014 18:01:42 GMT -5
I'm just extrapolating. If one feels that the Gorges of this year is the Gorges to get used to, then trading him isn't a bad idea. Parenteau is a top six winger that can play either side. He hurt his knee this year, and some Avs fans feel that is part of the reason his numbers have dipped. He's had strong seasons with two different clubs. He definitely a power play producer, which wouldn't hurt to have. Gorges is a top 4 guy. He'll never produce offensively. He'll eat up minutes, and be efficient. If Parenteau came in and gave the level of production he gave last year or the year before, we win the deal imo. If all he does is produce at 50 points a season, it's a wash. I'd also think that Bergevin would then have to fill Gorges' spot in the roster with someone from outside the club. had a brilliant reply all ready but of course lost it. the gist of it: who does he replace and what good is Gallagher in the press box making paper airplanes? Gio, Briere and even Bourque are going nowhere. then, Gorges id's our #3 to be replaced by . . .? especially if Berg wants to trade Markov. what a mess. |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 27, 2014 18:20:54 GMT -5
I'm just extrapolating. If one feels that the Gorges of this year is the Gorges to get used to, then trading him isn't a bad idea. Parenteau is a top six winger that can play either side. He hurt his knee this year, and some Avs fans feel that is part of the reason his numbers have dipped. He's had strong seasons with two different clubs. He definitely a power play producer, which wouldn't hurt to have. Gorges is a top 4 guy. He'll never produce offensively. He'll eat up minutes, and be efficient. If Parenteau came in and gave the level of production he gave last year or the year before, we win the deal imo. If all he does is produce at 50 points a season, it's a wash. I'd also think that Bergevin would then have to fill Gorges' spot in the roster with someone from outside the club. had a brilliant reply all ready but of course lost it. the gist of it: who does he replace and what good is Gallagher in the press box making paper airplanes? Gio, Briere and even Bourque are going nowhere. then, Gorges id's our #3 to be replaced by . . .? especially if Berg wants to trade Markov. what a mess. If we are acquiring PA Parenteau, I hope it means Bourque has played his last game disrespecting our jersey .... If not, then I don't want Parenteau |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 27, 2014 18:28:39 GMT -5
Apparently the asking price is Prust so talks with us got considerably colder...
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Post by blny on Jan 27, 2014 18:50:41 GMT -5
Apparently the asking price is Prust so talks with us got considerably colder... As they should. That move doesn't make a lot of sense from an Avs pov. They need help on the left side of their defense. Gorges would be an upgrade for them to be sure. Franko, Gallagher is largely a RW, so this move shouldn't affect him. Briere and Bourque on the other hand ... |
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Post by blny on Jan 27, 2014 18:51:40 GMT -5
According to Renaud Lavoie a trade for P.A. Parenteau getting close. TSN ticker saying Parenteau is a healthy scratch tonight. While sources have said Parenteau is officially on the market, Roy is on record today stating that it's to rest him. He's just back from that knee injury. Avs fans are saying they did the same thing with Tanguay. |
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Post by blny on Jan 27, 2014 18:56:53 GMT -5
Louis Jean from TVA has tweeted the following:
#Habs turn down trade that would have seen Bourque go to #Avs for Parenteau. #NHL
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Post by BadCompany on Jan 27, 2014 19:08:59 GMT -5
Louis Jean from TVA has tweeted the following: #Habs turn down trade that would have seen Bourque go to #Avs for Parenteau. #NHL Jean says that Bergevin wanted a player other than Parenteau. Personally I think the whole thing was a product of bored journalist minds. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 27, 2014 19:11:05 GMT -5
Louis Jean from TVA has tweeted the following: #Habs turn down trade that would have seen Bourque go to #Avs for Parenteau. #NHL If that's true then the wavering faith I have in Bergevin is wavering even further. If they can find someone dumb enough to take Bourque without having a few drinks first than do it. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 27, 2014 20:13:01 GMT -5
I take nothing out of this but more smoke.
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Post by blny on Jan 27, 2014 20:20:51 GMT -5
FWIW, the Score is running with the Jean story of it being one for one and turned down by Bergevin. The Score isn't exactly known for breaking stories, so it's a big grain of salt.
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Post by blny on Jan 27, 2014 20:23:02 GMT -5
Louis Jean from TVA has tweeted the following: #Habs turn down trade that would have seen Bourque go to #Avs for Parenteau. #NHL Jean says that Bergevin wanted a player other than Parenteau. Personally I think the whole thing was a product of bored journalist minds. I'm hearing that this comment came from TVA's twitter and no Jean, who does work for TVA. Splitting hairs maybe. Jean hasn't tweeted since his mention of the one for one deal being declined. |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 27, 2014 20:30:08 GMT -5
Louis Jean from TVA has tweeted the following: #Habs turn down trade that would have seen Bourque go to #Avs for Parenteau. #NHL If this is true .... Then Bergevin has to go too, he is obviously not in his right mind. |
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