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Post by seventeen on Feb 12, 2015 14:05:53 GMT -5
He's as cheap as he'll ever be! Now is the time to strike. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 12, 2015 14:14:29 GMT -5
So much of this draft is about McDavid and Eichel. I have little knowledge of the others, except to say that it's apparently a deep draft. It would appear that either of the top 2 are as sure a thing as you can expect. After that, who knows. We'll see how they do. I'm not overly convinced that they've assembled the necessary pieces off the ice to properly do the on the ice part. Noah Hanifan, the sort of consensus #3, may well have been the top pick in last year's draft if he'd been available. He's very highly regarded, A freshman at Boston College, he's 6', 3", 185 lbs and has 4-12-16 in 27 games. He only turned 18 two weeks ago, so he was playing as a 17 year old freshman and still putting up those numbers. I thought he was USA's best dman at the WJC. This year is a terrific draft, with some people saying almost as good as 2003 for quality and depth. At the top end it might be better as both Eichel and McDavid have more upside than Eric Staal did. It's surprising to me that some teams have traded their picks, but that's the case. |
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Post by blny on Feb 12, 2015 14:40:48 GMT -5
So much of this draft is about McDavid and Eichel. I have little knowledge of the others, except to say that it's apparently a deep draft. It would appear that either of the top 2 are as sure a thing as you can expect. After that, who knows. We'll see how they do. I'm not overly convinced that they've assembled the necessary pieces off the ice to properly do the on the ice part. Noah Hanifan, the sort of consensus #3, may well have been the top pick in last year's draft if he'd been available. He's very highly regarded, A freshman at Boston College, he's 6', 3", 185 lbs and has 4-12-16 in 27 games. He only turned 18 two weeks ago, so he was playing as a 17 year old freshman and still putting up those numbers. I thought he was USA's best dman at the WJC. This year is a terrific draft, with some people saying almost as good as 2003 for quality and depth. At the top end it might be better as both Eichel and McDavid have more upside than Eric Staal did. It's surprising to me that some teams have traded their picks, but that's the case. This mock draft has us, at 23, picking Paul Bittner. www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=750275Meier's stock is climbing rapidly. He's really come on strong in the new year. Not as flashy as Ehlers, but very effective. I wouldn't say he's relied on Ehlers for his success either. Timo could easily get into the top ten with a strong finish and a good playoff. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 12, 2015 14:45:08 GMT -5
Noah Hanifan, the sort of consensus #3, may well have been the top pick in last year's draft if he'd been available. He's very highly regarded, A freshman at Boston College, he's 6', 3", 185 lbs and has 4-12-16 in 27 games. He only turned 18 two weeks ago, so he was playing as a 17 year old freshman and still putting up those numbers. I thought he was USA's best dman at the WJC. This year is a terrific draft, with some people saying almost as good as 2003 for quality and depth. At the top end it might be better as both Eichel and McDavid have more upside than Eric Staal did. It's surprising to me that some teams have traded their picks, but that's the case. This mock draft has us, at 23, picking Paul Bittner. www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=750275Meier's stock is climbing rapidly. He's really come on strong in the new year. Not as flashy as Ehlers, but very effective. I wouldn't say he's relied on Ehlers for his success either. Timo could easily get into the top ten with a strong finish and a good playoff. I know nothing of this year's prospects, but this link helps a great deal ... lots of positives on the page ... Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Feb 12, 2015 14:59:13 GMT -5
Noah Hanifan, the sort of consensus #3, may well have been the top pick in last year's draft if he'd been available. He's very highly regarded, A freshman at Boston College, he's 6', 3", 185 lbs and has 4-12-16 in 27 games. He only turned 18 two weeks ago, so he was playing as a 17 year old freshman and still putting up those numbers. I thought he was USA's best dman at the WJC. This year is a terrific draft, with some people saying almost as good as 2003 for quality and depth. At the top end it might be better as both Eichel and McDavid have more upside than Eric Staal did. It's surprising to me that some teams have traded their picks, but that's the case. This mock draft has us, at 23, picking Paul Bittner. www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=750275Meier's stock is climbing rapidly. He's really come on strong in the new year. Not as flashy as Ehlers, but very effective. I wouldn't say he's relied on Ehlers for his success either. Timo could easily get into the top ten with a strong finish and a good playoff. 23? what's with that? we'll be picking 30th! |
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Post by blny on Feb 12, 2015 15:01:33 GMT -5
This mock draft has us, at 23, picking Paul Bittner. www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=750275Meier's stock is climbing rapidly. He's really come on strong in the new year. Not as flashy as Ehlers, but very effective. I wouldn't say he's relied on Ehlers for his success either. Timo could easily get into the top ten with a strong finish and a good playoff. 23? what's with that? we'll be picking 30th! I'd be all for that. This mock draft was done in January. Regardless, barring a complete collapse we'll be picking somewhere between 23-30. Would be 25th right now. |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 12, 2015 15:46:54 GMT -5
RE: Kessel and Phaneuf NOT being in the plans…. The Score =============================================== The Toronto Maple Leafs appear set to join the ranks of the rebuilding.
Team president Brendan Shanahan, who is believed to endorse the idea of a major overhaul of the roster, received approval from the Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment board to initiate such a process in a recent meeting, according to Cathal Kelly of the Globe and Mail.
Kelly writes:
New Leafs president Brendan Shanahan was hired with a mandate to remake the team. From very early on, he’d realized that if the club aspired to be a Stanley Cup contender, it required a major overhaul.
But he needed the evidence of the season to persuade his employers fully. After the Leafs’ recent slide out of contention, the club’s given him that.
Then he needed the board to endorse his vision of a barren short term in the interests of a competitive future. In that meeting, he got that as well.
What this means is that the club is committed to selling off as many assets as possible with a view to freeing up cap space and building slowly through the draft - a process that could take anywhere from three to five years, at the very least.
Management is believed to have targeted the likes of Morgan Rielly, William Nylander, Jonathan Bernier, Nazem Kadri, James van Riemsdyk and Jake Gardiner as core players to build around, yet will not go as far as to label anyone untouchable.
Further to that, Kelly reported Phil Kessel and Dion Phaneuf - key pieces acquired in former general manager Brian Burke's building process - are not in the team's plan, and the goal is to trade them at some point before the March 2 deadline or in the offseason in exchange for top prospects and draft picks.
Toronto sits in 25th place in the league standings, prime position for a top draft pick in 2015. Based on this report, they may be in line to spend a few more offseasons hoping for lottery balls to bounce their way.========================================== I don't know if Berg plays poker….but Kessel is a quick right-winger, has great vision, and he can put up the points. We need scoring support for Price. If EVER there was a time to take a chance that a presumed "uncoachable" player takes on the attitude of a positive winning environment, it just might be now. Depends upon how desperate the Leafs are to unload him. I'd hate to needlessly assist Toronto's rebuild. |
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Post by franko on Feb 12, 2015 15:53:06 GMT -5
Then he needed the board to endorse his vision of a barren short term in the interests of a competitive future. things like this crack me up. barren "short term" . . . as if 48 years without a sniff isn't barren. and it sure ain't short term! |
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Post by blny on Feb 12, 2015 15:58:59 GMT -5
RE: Kessel and Phaneuf NOT being in the plans…. The Score =============================================== The Toronto Maple Leafs appear set to join the ranks of the rebuilding.
Team president Brendan Shanahan, who is believed to endorse the idea of a major overhaul of the roster, received approval from the Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment board to initiate such a process in a recent meeting, according to Cathal Kelly of the Globe and Mail.
Kelly writes:
New Leafs president Brendan Shanahan was hired with a mandate to remake the team. From very early on, he’d realized that if the club aspired to be a Stanley Cup contender, it required a major overhaul.
But he needed the evidence of the season to persuade his employers fully. After the Leafs’ recent slide out of contention, the club’s given him that.
Then he needed the board to endorse his vision of a barren short term in the interests of a competitive future. In that meeting, he got that as well.
What this means is that the club is committed to selling off as many assets as possible with a view to freeing up cap space and building slowly through the draft - a process that could take anywhere from three to five years, at the very least.
Management is believed to have targeted the likes of Morgan Rielly, William Nylander, Jonathan Bernier, Nazem Kadri, James van Riemsdyk and Jake Gardiner as core players to build around, yet will not go as far as to label anyone untouchable.
Further to that, Kelly reported Phil Kessel and Dion Phaneuf - key pieces acquired in former general manager Brian Burke's building process - are not in the team's plan, and the goal is to trade them at some point before the March 2 deadline or in the offseason in exchange for top prospects and draft picks.
Toronto sits in 25th place in the league standings, prime position for a top draft pick in 2015. Based on this report, they may be in line to spend a few more offseasons hoping for lottery balls to bounce their way.========================================== I don't know if Berg plays poker….but Kessel is a quick right-winger, has great vision, and he can put up the points. We need scoring support for Price. If EVER there was a time to take a chance that a presumed "uncoachable" player takes on the attitude of a positive winning environment, it just might be now. Depends upon how desperate the Leafs are to unload him. I'd hate to needlessly assist Toronto's rebuild. Couldn't do it, even if the price was 'right'. Too many shifts off. Too many chins. He's a skilled guy who'd rather collect his pay check than anything else. It's that very attitude that Berg and company have tried to get away from. Add in the fact that if Kessel thinks it's hard in Toronto, he hasn't seen anything yet. Best place for him is a place where he can thrive in anonymity. Rack up points, fly under the radar, and go unnoticed about town. |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 12, 2015 16:03:07 GMT -5
If the attitude reports are true…it'd be a negative effect on a positive team vibe. No question.
But, man…IF he could do a 180….gold.
He starts lighting it up in Montreal, one would think he would naturally "buy-in".
We thought Cammalleri was a sniper…sheesh. Like getting Ryder and Cammy in one player.
[/wishfulthinking]
That's one albatross of a contract if it doesn't work, though. Gomez 2.0.
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Post by blny on Feb 12, 2015 16:14:32 GMT -5
His attitude and play without the puck concern me way too much.
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Post by Polarice on Feb 12, 2015 16:31:50 GMT -5
Hearing Duchene is available. I would be interested if the price is right.
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Post by blny on Feb 12, 2015 16:48:13 GMT -5
Hearing Duchene is available. I would be interested if the price is right. Ditto. We'd have to send a center back though. Him setting up Max is a drool-worthy thought. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 12, 2015 17:18:26 GMT -5
What really bugs me is the Babcock talk. The writer just assumes that MB wants nothing more than to come to Toronto. Their conceit drives me crazy. Detroit is at or near the top of the conference. They have good young players on the roster. Why would he abandon that for a long rebuild. And winning in San Jose would mean little? really?  |
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Post by jkr on Feb 12, 2015 17:22:33 GMT -5
Hearing Duchene is available. I would be interested if the price is right. Ditto. We'd have to send a center back though. Him setting up Max is a drool-worthy thought. Big cap hit though. www.nhlnumbers.com shows him at 6 million for at least another 4 years. |
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Post by blny on Feb 12, 2015 17:33:40 GMT -5
Ditto. We'd have to send a center back though. Him setting up Max is a drool-worthy thought. Big cap hit though. www.nhlnumbers.com shows him at 6 million for at least another 4 years. He's having a down year, but so are many on the Avs. He's a ppg player. It's a million more than Plekanec. I could live with that. He plays with Pacioretty, and he'll get 80pts consistently imo. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 12, 2015 19:22:04 GMT -5
Leafs down 2-0 early to the Isles. Goaltending questionable.
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Post by jkr on Feb 12, 2015 22:24:42 GMT -5
Leafs down 2-0 early to the Isles. Goaltending questionable. Leafs tie it early in the 2nd but lose 3-2. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 13, 2015 8:17:28 GMT -5
I bet all the players with limited no trade clauses (Kessel included) are willing to scratch Montreal off their lists now ....
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 13, 2015 10:16:49 GMT -5
I bet all the players with limited no trade clauses (Kessel included) are willing to scratch Montreal off their lists now .... Do you mean willing or not willing to go to Montreal? |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 13, 2015 11:22:12 GMT -5
I bet all the players with limited no trade clauses (Kessel included) are willing to scratch Montreal off their lists now .... Do you mean willing or not willing to go to Montreal? willing ... if we were on their no-trade lists before, they are scrambling to scrath us off their lists now |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 17, 2015 12:15:22 GMT -5
HILARIOUS to hear Toronto radio talking about how tear-downs are good for business…in terms of fans of lousy teams staying interested during a terrible season.
To that end, they say, the NHL should make tearing down and rebuilding easier to do.
Jeff O'Neill: "Why not allow more buyouts! You don't like the guy….get rid of him."
Dreger: "Even the NHLPA would like that."
O'Neill: "Yeah, the players make two salaries…"
The poor poor Leafs, indeed.
The lottery structure is MORE THAN GENEROUS when it comes to rewarding failure.
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Post by franko on Feb 17, 2015 12:25:00 GMT -5
Jeff O'Neill: "Why not allow more buyouts! You don't like the guy….get rid of him." Dreger: "Even the NHLPA would like that." O'Neill: "Yeah, the players make two salaries…" then of course you're back to the two-tie NHL: the teams that can afford bad signing and not have to pay for them, and the teams that are stuck with the players they sign. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 17, 2015 12:28:06 GMT -5
The NFL has something in place where if a player doesn't live up to his contract his team can drop him ... I don't know the wherewithall of the CBA, but that's what they have in place ... did he cite this as a reference or is he just whining ... don't listen to him so I wouldn't know ...
Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 17, 2015 12:31:05 GMT -5
Right franko. After they made the "NHL should allow more buyouts" suggestion…..I was expecting them to say the league should also waive their salary cap for a couple of years.  |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 17, 2015 13:19:00 GMT -5
The NFL has something in place where if a player doesn't live up to his contract his team can drop him ... I don't know the wherewithall of the CBA, but that's what they have in place ... did he cite this as a reference or is he just whining ... don't listen to him so I wouldn't know ... Cheers. I think there is a bit of a misconception on NFL contracts. NFL contracts are highly complex, multi-structured things, and while we often see "Player X signed for $100 million" both sides know full-well that the $100 million is never going to be paid out. Instead, it's just a way to manipulate the existing cap space. What's really important, to the player anyways, is the "guaranteed" money. For example, according to one article I just looked up 57% of NFL player contracts were guaranteed. So that means that even if they were cut they still got paid whatever their agents managed to get guaranteed. It's just that it's spread out into all kinds of complicated structures. Take Chris Long of the St. Louis Rams. In 2012 he "signed a 4 year / $48,200,000 contract with the St. Louis Rams, including a $6,050,000 signing bonus, $23,550,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $12,050,000." His cap hit that first year was over $19 million, even though only got a little over $8 million in actual cash. He has since restructured it twice, and been paid anywhere from $8 to 13 million per year, with cap hits that change every year, usually with no correlation to his actual take home pay. If you look at any NFL cap calculator you see all kinds of things that make little sense to anybody who is not an accountant; Base Salary, Roster Bonus, Option Bonus, Restructuring Bonus, Cap Hit, Dead Cap Space. Most of the time when an NFL player is cut it's because the team had planned to cut them at that time right from the moment the contract was signed. They may cut a player for performance reasons, but usually the player gets exactly what they expected to get when they signed the contract, just in different "modes" (bonuses, take-home pay, etcetera). So all that to say that I don't think the NFL model is really the way to go. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 17, 2015 13:33:52 GMT -5
The NFL has something in place where if a player doesn't live up to his contract his team can drop him ... I don't know the wherewithall of the CBA, but that's what they have in place ... did he cite this as a reference or is he just whining ... don't listen to him so I wouldn't know ... Cheers. I think there is a bit of a misconception on NFL contracts. NFL contracts are highly complex, multi-structured things, and while we often see "Player X signed for $100 million" both sides know full-well that the $100 million is never going to be paid out. Instead, it's just a way to manipulate the existing cap space. What's really important, to the player anyways, is the "guaranteed" money. For example, according to one article I just looked up 57% of NFL player contracts were guaranteed. So that means that even if they were cut they still got paid whatever their agents managed to get guaranteed. It's just that it's spread out into all kinds of complicated structures. Take Chris Long of the St. Louis Rams. In 2012 he "signed a 4 year / $48,200,000 contract with the St. Louis Rams, including a $6,050,000 signing bonus, $23,550,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $12,050,000." His cap hit that first year was over $19 million, even though only got a little over $8 million in actual cash. He has since restructured it twice, and been paid anywhere from $8 to 13 million per year, with cap hits that change every year, usually with no correlation to his actual take home pay. If you look at any NFL cap calculator you see all kinds of things that make little sense to anybody who is not an accountant; Base Salary, Roster Bonus, Option Bonus, Restructuring Bonus, Cap Hit, Dead Cap Space. Most of the time when an NFL player is cut it's because the team had planned to cut them at that time right from the moment the contract was signed. They may cut a player for performance reasons, but usually the player gets exactly what they expected to get when they signed the contract, just in different "modes" (bonuses, take-home pay, etcetera). So all that to say that I don't think the NFL model is really the way to go. Wasn't suggesting it was the way to go ... I was just asking a question ... I remember back in the day when Gainey first came on the scene ... he bought out three contracts and IIRC the club was on the hook for 60%(?) for each contract ... maybe that would have been a better example ... good info on the Rams, mate  ... if anyone would know about them ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Feb 17, 2015 13:41:35 GMT -5
NFL contracts are definitely complex. NBA as well. The NHL cap, and contract lingo, is comparatively simple.
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 17, 2015 13:50:10 GMT -5
Everyone here in Toronto is on the "let's rebuild" bandwagon. It is the " IN " thing these days. In a way, it is giving those poor Leafs fan some sort of hope. Although it is probably the right thing to do, my guess is that the "re-build honeymoon" won't last very long.... We all know a full rebuilt can take a long time (especially here where the prospects are pretty rare)and it has no guarantee of success. The pressure to win NOW will eventually come back sometimes next season or the following and people's head will roll etc..... WHY oh WHY would Mike Babcock even consider coming into this zoo is beyond me. PS: as for Jeff O'neil OMG, I agree, he is completely useless, not funny, brings nothing to the table. Another PJ Stock. Not EVERY ex NHL players are good on TV....but the worse are the ones that think they are good, but are awful. They call him O'Dog......  |
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Post by Gogie on Feb 17, 2015 15:41:05 GMT -5
NFL contracts are definitely complex. NBA as well. The NHL cap, and contract lingo, is comparatively simple. Actually, the only real difference between NFL contracts and most other pro sports contracts is that NFL contracts generally are not guaranteed. Usually only a portion of an NFL players' contract is guaranteed and the team can get rid of the unguaranteed part of the contract with no consequences. As explained here: "Guaranteed dollars! That is really all that matters in an NFL contract. As a certified contract adviser in the NFL, getting your client money that is guaranteed is the most important factor. The NFL is unlike any of the other major sports. Players in the NBA and Major League Baseball have their entire contract guaranteed the second the ink dries on their contract. When Albert Pujols signed with the Los Angeles Angels last baseball offseason, the former St. Louis Cardinals first baseman signed a 10-year, $240 million contract. That money will be his, no matter what. The entire contract is guaranteed. The same is true for an NBA player. The NFL is different. On July 16, 2012, New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees signed the richest contract in NFL history, a five-year, $100 million deal to stay a Saint through the 2016 season. What most fans do not know is that only $60.5 million of that contract is guaranteed. Granted that is tons of money. But with salaries of $19 million and $20 million in the last two years of the deal, the Saints could release Brees without owing him the final $39 million. So realistically, the Saints could pay Brees $61 million for three years if they so choose. That probably will not happen. But if Brees were to get injured and not be able to fulfill the length of the contract, the Saints would not owe him past the guaranteed monies in the contract." |
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