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Post by CentreHice on Feb 19, 2015 18:16:29 GMT -5
Yep…he has the skill.
The worry is the Gomez-factor going forward. But if he keeps producing at his "normal" clip, he'd be most welcome.
It's like putting together the right band. There will always be egos…but if they could just check them enough to understand and work towards the big picture--i.e. like most national teams do in Olympic, World Championships tournaments.
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Post by blny on Feb 19, 2015 18:35:58 GMT -5
Word is that Berg and Tallon had dinner tonight and chatted extensively again. Multiple people saying that the topic of conversation was Bergenheim. Just don't get that as a fit.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 19, 2015 18:38:08 GMT -5
Just watching McKeown's show and they stooped to having Glen Healy on. McKeown brought up that Montreal needs players and the Leafs are in tank mode, so why not a deal between the two. Healy said he's looked at Montreal's farm system and doesn't see anything he likes. Which only proves how much of a fool he is. There's probably a long line of guys wishing to take McCarron, Scherbak, or Reway off our hands, to mention just a few. Anyway, no sense getting into a battle of wits with someone who's only half armed. He'll say anything to draw attention to himself.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 19, 2015 18:42:41 GMT -5
Word is that Berg and Tallon had dinner tonight and chatted extensively again. Multiple people saying that the topic of conversation was Bergenheim. Just don't get that as a fit. The only thing I can think of there is that he's a Bruins killer. The year the Bruins won the Cup, after they stole by us in 7 games with us missing Markov, Pacioretty and Gorges, they played Tampa, that had Bergenheim and he was a wrecking ball for Tampa, until he was hurt and then Boston beat them as well. Bergenheim really had Thomas' number. It was weird and it took an injury to ruin it. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 19, 2015 18:52:32 GMT -5
Word is that Berg and Tallon had dinner tonight and chatted extensively again. Multiple people saying that the topic of conversation was Bergenheim. Just don't get that as a fit. The only thing I can think of there is that he's a Bruins killer. The year the Bruins won the Cup, after they stole by us in 7 games with us missing Markov, Pacioretty and Gorges, they played Tampa, that had Bergenheim and he was a wrecking ball for Tampa, until he was hurt and then Boston beat them as well. Bergenheim really had Thomas' number. It was weird and it took an injury to ruin it. Follow Sean Bergenheim has asked the Florida Panthers to trade him, his agent told @hfialkov. 8:42 PM - 13 Feb 2015 Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Feb 19, 2015 18:57:55 GMT -5
Word is that Berg and Tallon had dinner tonight and chatted extensively again. Multiple people saying that the topic of conversation was Bergenheim. Just don't get that as a fit. The only thing I can think of there is that he's a Bruins killer. The year the Bruins won the Cup, after they stole by us in 7 games with us missing Markov, Pacioretty and Gorges, they played Tampa, that had Bergenheim and he was a wrecking ball for Tampa, until he was hurt and then Boston beat them as well. Bergenheim really had Thomas' number. It was weird and it took an injury to ruin it. I just don't see him as an improvement over Bournival, DLR, etc. He's a bottom 6 LW. He's 5'11 and 200lbs. It doesn't address a glaring need. Off Florida's roster, that is realistically available, I'd see Thornton or Kopecky as doing a better job of addressing needs. Bergenheim at a hit of $2.75 million is too steep for me. |
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Post by Gogie on Feb 19, 2015 19:23:05 GMT -5
Just watching McKeown's show and they stooped to having Glen Healy on. McKeown brought up that Montreal needs players and the Leafs are in tank mode, so why not a deal between the two. Healy said he's looked at Montreal's farm system and doesn't see anything he likes. Which only proves how much of a fool he is. There's probably a long line of guys wishing to take McCarron, Scherbak, or Reway off our hands, to mention just a few. Anyway, no sense getting into a battle of wits with someone who's only half armed. He'll say anything to draw attention to himself. Are you implying that Healy is a "half wit"?  |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 19, 2015 19:36:38 GMT -5
Just watching McKeown's show and they stooped to having Glen Healy on. McKeown brought up that Montreal needs players and the Leafs are in tank mode, so why not a deal between the two. Healy said he's looked at Montreal's farm system and doesn't see anything he likes. Which only proves how much of a fool he is. There's probably a long line of guys wishing to take McCarron, Scherbak, or Reway off our hands, to mention just a few. Anyway, no sense getting into a battle of wits with someone who's only half armed. He'll say anything to draw attention to himself. Are you implying that Healy is a "half wit"? I may be giving him too much credit. |
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 20, 2015 6:37:55 GMT -5
Word is that Berg and Tallon had dinner tonight and chatted extensively again. Multiple people saying that the topic of conversation was Bergenheim. Just don't get that as a fit. Amount of time and scouting those 2 teams have done on each other...more than Bergenheim |
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Post by blny on Feb 20, 2015 7:23:18 GMT -5
Word is that Berg and Tallon had dinner tonight and chatted extensively again. Multiple people saying that the topic of conversation was Bergenheim. Just don't get that as a fit. Amount of time and scouting those 2 teams have done on each other...more than Bergenheim I hope it's not Bolland. Berg would know him from Chicago. He's a good player, paid too much, but he can't stay healthy. I can't imagine the Panthers would move Gudbranson without a huge return. He's in the first year of his bridge deal and just putting it together. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 20, 2015 8:19:38 GMT -5
Word is that Berg and Tallon had dinner tonight and chatted extensively again. Multiple people saying that the topic of conversation was Bergenheim. Just don't get that as a fit. Amount of time and scouting those 2 teams have done on each other...more than Bergenheim What's Bergenheim's deal? Isn't he UFA? He can get out at season's end if he wants to play somewhere else. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 20, 2015 8:22:10 GMT -5
Thanks Douper….but I think Hartnell's name has come up here before….so I can't take credit for that idea…just revisiting considering the Ottawa rough-housing. RE: Kessel. It's not his skill that makes me skittish…it's the alleged attitude. I'd gladly take on that contract for a Gomez who actually produces. It's not Gomez's fault that Sather offered him ridiculous money. Nor is it Kessel's fault….but Gomez has always been, reportedly, well-liked. Hate for negativity to enter the room. THe Kessel - Subban friendship and the leadership in the room might be what Phil the thrill would need. The real cancer on the team is Phaneuf, he was in Calgary and the same in TO. The thought of having a Kessel Patches duo on the first line would have me frothing at the mouth. I think that would be the worst thing they could do ... and the reason why we should stay away from Kessel. We need more scoring throughout the line-up, NOT more scoring on the top line. If we do acquire a sniper, offensive player, he has to go on the second line. |
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 20, 2015 8:31:55 GMT -5
Word is that Berg and Tallon had dinner tonight and chatted extensively again. Multiple people saying that the topic of conversation was Bergenheim. Just don't get that as a fit. There was all sort of talk last week that Toronto and Florida were talking, and Kessel was mentioned. Then the rumors were debunked because Florida really doesn't have money for him. Then all the front office of MTL was in Toronto last weekend.... Now Berg and Tallon at dinner.... What if it was an old fashion three way deal... :-) |
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Post by blny on Feb 20, 2015 8:47:08 GMT -5
Word is that Berg and Tallon had dinner tonight and chatted extensively again. Multiple people saying that the topic of conversation was Bergenheim. Just don't get that as a fit. There was all sort of talk last week that Toronto and Florida were talking, and Kessel was mentioned. Then the rumors were debunked because Florida really doesn't have money for him. Then all the front office of MTL was in Toronto last weekend.... Now Berg and Tallon at dinner.... What if it was an old fashion three way deal... :-) Menage-a-trade! lol |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 20, 2015 8:48:34 GMT -5
Word is that Berg and Tallon had dinner tonight and chatted extensively again. Multiple people saying that the topic of conversation was Bergenheim. Just don't get that as a fit. There was all sort of talk last week that Toronto and Florida were talking, and Kessel was mentioned. Then the rumors were debunked because Florida really doesn't have money for him. Then all the front office of MTL was in Toronto last weekend.... Now Berg and Tallon at dinner.... What if it was an old fashion three way deal... :-) Who would Florida be sending our way? If they are getting a Kessel type player, and Toronto is getting Eller, Tinordi, Thomas, Bournival and our first (as I saw reported) ... then we better be getting Huberdeau. |
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Post by blny on Feb 20, 2015 9:14:19 GMT -5
There was all sort of talk last week that Toronto and Florida were talking, and Kessel was mentioned. Then the rumors were debunked because Florida really doesn't have money for him. Then all the front office of MTL was in Toronto last weekend.... Now Berg and Tallon at dinner.... What if it was an old fashion three way deal... :-) Who would Florida be sending our way? If they are getting a Kessel type player, and Toronto is getting Eller, Tinordi, Thomas, Bournival and our first (as I saw reported) ... then we better be getting Huberdeau. If we were giving up that many pieces, I'd want more than Huberdeau. I like Barkov and Bjugstad more, but he's a pup and I don't see them moving Nick. They'd want Kessel to play with him, and he just signed an extension that kicks in next year. Scanning their roster, I think Gudbranson would make the most sense for us. Replaces Tinordi's size. On his bridge deal. Just starting to put it all together. We'd still need to make a move to address scoring. Markov-Subban Emelin/Beaulieu-Gudbranson Emelin/Beaulieu-Gonchar Weaver Taking strictly the cash into consideration, Kessel represents $8 million cap hit, the four players from Montreal represent a maximum of $5.77 million if Tinordi, Thomas and Bournival play everyday in the NHL. Gudbranson's hit is $2.50 million. Florida would have to shed salary in the deal imo. We just moved our 3rd line center out. Florida might prefer moving Campbell's salary, but I have no interest in that noose. I might, might, consider taking Bolland if it meant getting Gudbranson. Bolland would be a very very expensive third line player though. That said, if he could find a way to stay healthy he'd make us significantly harder to play against. Those two players would mean Montreal takes on $8 million in cap hit. Clearly, the Leafs are getting picks from Florida, but I think the Leafs have to potentially hand out some lesser picks because they're getting significant cap relief. |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 20, 2015 9:21:23 GMT -5
Man, you know the trade deadline is going to be a dud if Sean Bergenheim is the big name being bandied about.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 20, 2015 9:34:29 GMT -5
Amount of time and scouting those 2 teams have done on each other...more than Bergenheim What's Bergenheim's deal? Isn't he UFA? He can get out at season's end if he wants to play somewhere else. Don't know...with him wanting out of Florida his trade value isn't much right now. Basically Cats likely just say take him. Not that Bergenheim won't end up in Montreal. Just saying amount of time those 2 GMs are doing talking and time spent on scouting resources. Going to be much bigger than a third liner like Bergenheim. With Habs bringing in their cap specialist...I would guess Kessel to Florida, Gudbranson to Montreal, maybe Bergenheim also, Eller, Emelin and I imagine a young prospect to Toronto. Like a Thomas. Habs may have to pick up some salary for Cats. |
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Post by blny on Feb 20, 2015 9:43:28 GMT -5
Bergenheim is a UFA.
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Post by jkr on Feb 20, 2015 9:56:34 GMT -5
If the Leafs really want to get rid of Kessel they will probably have to take back salary. Same with Phaneuf. Maybe 1.5 million.
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Post by blny on Feb 20, 2015 10:14:03 GMT -5
If the Leafs really want to get rid of Kessel they will probably have to take back salary. Same with Phaneuf. Maybe 1.5 million. that would be one way to avoid sending their own picks back in trade. In a three team deal is there a way to spread that eating of salary over two teams? Say, 750k to each team in this case? Kessel at $6.5 million Package to Toronto at $5.77 million Gudbranson and Kopecky at $5.5 million Kopecky is a cheaper Bolland. Doesn't possess the intangibles or physicality, but there's no commitment beyond this year. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 20, 2015 10:41:34 GMT -5
There was all sort of talk last week that Toronto and Florida were talking, and Kessel was mentioned. Then the rumors were debunked because Florida really doesn't have money for him. Then all the front office of MTL was in Toronto last weekend.... Now Berg and Tallon at dinner.... What if it was an old fashion three way deal... :-) Who would Florida be sending our way? If they are getting a Kessel type player, and Toronto is getting Eller, Tinordi, Thomas, Bournival and our first (as I saw reported) ... then we better be getting Huberdeau. I honestly forgot who said it yesterday but I can't see the Panthers being sellers right now ... they're a point behind Boston (yay) as it is now ... and as BC suggested, the market can't be too overwhelming if Bergenheim is the most-talked about player out there ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Feb 20, 2015 11:00:25 GMT -5
Who would Florida be sending our way? If they are getting a Kessel type player, and Toronto is getting Eller, Tinordi, Thomas, Bournival and our first (as I saw reported) ... then we better be getting Huberdeau. I honestly forgot who said it yesterday but I can't see the Panthers being sellers right now ... they're a point behind Boston (yay) as it is now ... and as BC suggested, the market can't be too overwhelming if Bergenheim is the most-talked about player out there ... Cheers. Definitely not sellers, but Sean did ask for a trade. Rumoured asking price is a 3rd. Adding Kessel during the season, and removing the pieces they'd have to, would definitely affect the core of the group. Tallon may not want to do that. |
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 20, 2015 11:02:08 GMT -5
There was all sort of talk last week that Toronto and Florida were talking, and Kessel was mentioned. Then the rumors were debunked because Florida really doesn't have money for him. Then all the front office of MTL was in Toronto last weekend.... Now Berg and Tallon at dinner.... What if it was an old fashion three way deal... :-) Who would Florida be sending our way? If they are getting a Kessel type player, and Toronto is getting Eller, Tinordi, Thomas, Bournival and our first (as I saw reported) ... then we better be getting Huberdeau. I meant more that Toronto want someone from Florida and Florida wants someone from us.... Like Kessel going to Florida and then traded from Florida to us.... |
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 21, 2015 4:26:06 GMT -5
Who would Florida be sending our way? If they are getting a Kessel type player, and Toronto is getting Eller, Tinordi, Thomas, Bournival and our first (as I saw reported) ... then we better be getting Huberdeau. I honestly forgot who said it yesterday but I can't see the Panthers being sellers right now ... they're a point behind Boston (yay) as it is now ... and as BC suggested, the market can't be too overwhelming if Bergenheim is the most-talked about player out there ... Cheers. They need scoring and have extra on defense. But Kessel be hard trade to pull off. Bergenheim just a secondary player |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 21, 2015 11:31:51 GMT -5
I would love to get huberdeau. Bujstad Hayes have more goals and Ekblad has the same number of goals as hubetdeau. the Toronto media seem to be in love with Christian Thomas so i can see the leafs wanting Thomas if the leafs and the habs are involved in a deal. The Panthers need scoring.
Kessel to florida
Huberdeau to mtl
Eller thomas and a 2nd rounder to the leafs.
I can see the habeeating some of kessels salary
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 22, 2015 10:16:49 GMT -5
At first, I flushed the idea, but learned from past not to be narrow minded...I am warmimg up to idea of acquiring Kessel. Bringing him from outhouse to penthouse, should motivate him, get a couple good years out of him and re-trade him when Schebak is ready. Get back more than you gave up for him. He's only 27 and signed for 6 more years. Not like age or team control are a factor. Habs should get a little cut on him considering situation in Toronto.
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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2015 14:45:35 GMT -5
The Wiz was a healthy scratch for Columbus' last game. There's been a lot of speculation about most of the Jackets defense being available. His cap hit is $5.5 million, but he'll make $5 million next year and $3 million in the final year. Yes, we need offense up front. But, if the Jackets took Gilbert back would you do the deal? James would add another shooting defender to our PP. Skates well. Strong physically. Can put up points. He's a rhd. Does get out of position to make hit from time to time.
Markov-Subban
Beaulieu - Wisniewski
Emelin - Gonchar
Tinordi - Weaver
Obviously Tinordi would go back down until the playoffs, but that wouldn't be a bad 8 to go with come the time of expanded rosters. Gonchar can play both sides and he mentors. Would Beau and Wiz be too much of an adventure?
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Post by seventeen on Feb 23, 2015 15:38:28 GMT -5
What struck me (if Gilbert and Wiz change teams) is that's a lot of howitzers in the top 4. There's no break for shot blockers in that bunch.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 23, 2015 15:55:43 GMT -5
The Wiz was a healthy scratch for Columbus' last game. There's been a lot of speculation about most of the Jackets defense being available. His cap hit is $5.5 million, but he'll make $5 million next year and $3 million in the final year. Yes, we need offense up front. But, if the Jackets took Gilbert back would you do the deal? James would add another shooting defender to our PP. Skates well. Strong physically. Can put up points. He's a rhd. Does get out of position to make hit from time to time. Markov-Subban Beaulieu - Wisniewski Emelin - Gonchar Tinordi - Weaver Obviously Tinordi would go back down until the playoffs, but that wouldn't be a bad 8 to go with come the time of expanded rosters. Gonchar can play both sides and he mentors. Would Beau and Wiz be too much of an adventure? Wiz didn't play particularly well Saturday night. |
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