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Post by BadCompany on Jan 30, 2015 8:39:56 GMT -5
Monday, March 2nd, 2015.
That's the trade deadline this season. So... what do we do? Big name, minor moves, top six forward, top four defenseman?
Potential targets, in my opinion:
Staal
Jagr
Vermette
O'Reilly
Stafford
Yakupov
Franson
Mitchell
Stuart
Hedja
Who else?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 30, 2015 9:03:15 GMT -5
Right on BC ... if we're just talking about rentals-el-cheap-o then I'd add:
Buffalo, Chris Stewart RW: not a good rep but he'd be a good tough, depth guy on the lower lines,
Carolina, Jay McClement C: Another faceoff guy and penalty killer,
Ottawa, Erik Condra RW: another depth guy for the lower lines,
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Post by franko on Jan 30, 2015 9:19:42 GMT -5
if we're going rental, Jagr.
if we're going long term, Vermette.
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Post by Polarice on Jan 30, 2015 9:53:21 GMT -5
Vermette or Stewart for forwards. I think Yandle could be had as well.
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Post by blny on Jan 30, 2015 9:58:57 GMT -5
Vermette's a UFA too, isn't he?
Should be targeting a legit top 6 scoring threat and a top 4 dman. Those are the most pressing needs. The latter doesn't necessarily need to be a long term thing as Beaulieu is getting better. But, even with Weaver back at some point we've got too many bottom pairing guys imo.
Neither slot will be easy to fill.
The UFA market this summer is horrible. That means the pure rentals this year are crap. When Vermette is the big prize, things are weak.
I think this is where Bergevin has to decide if now is the time to swing a deal with one of the teams up against it. Someone like Sharp in Chicago. 32, two years left on his deal at $5.9 million cap (but lower actual salary). Multi time 30 goal man. Good playoff producer. He's the kind of player the Hawks will have to shed. Berg has freed up cap space going forward. Some of that goes to Galchenyuk, but the rest should go to players he can identify on teams that need to cut salary. Sharp isn't easy for the Hawks to move during the season, but maybe if you grease the wheels a tad ...
We've got a good mix. Adding that goal scorer to offset Max, and adding a good top 4 blue liner, put us in the upper echelon. A guy like Sharp has the rings and play off experience to provide a lot of leadership to our group. Berg would know him well too.
The Flyers and Kings are two other teams that will need to cut. I don't see the Flyers looking to move Voracek, Simmonds or Giroux though. Coburn, however, could be that top 4 guy. One year left at $4 million. Big, but not a brute. Mobile. RHD.
Those would be two names on my list to target if I were Berg; Sharp and Coburn.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 30, 2015 12:11:53 GMT -5
Blny, I can't see the Hawks giving up Sharp this year. They are going to try and win a third cup with this core before I think they try and move him this summer. I do think Coburn is available for the right price (Tinordi).
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Post by blny on Jan 30, 2015 12:14:40 GMT -5
Blny, I can't see the Hawks giving up Sharp this year. They are going to try and win a third cup with this core before I think they try and move him this summer. I do think Coburn is available for the right price (Tinordi). I agree on Sharp. I think they'll wait as long as they can. You'd have to wet their whistle. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 30, 2015 13:53:35 GMT -5
Someone on HIO posted this.
I would love to get Methot in here for a playoff run. He's big, strong and he's helped Karlsson greatly.
A playoffs D consosting of
Markov-Subban
Methot-Beaulieu
Gonchar-Tionordi
Emelin
That would be my wishlist but I know Tinner isn't leaving the Dogs this year.
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Post by Andrew on Jan 30, 2015 14:57:51 GMT -5
I'd be interested in Yandle. He's not a pure rental, as he's signed for one more season. The price tag wouldn't be cheap, however. I'd guess at least a 1st round pick and a top prospect.
Jagr seems like a good fit up front.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 30, 2015 17:02:16 GMT -5
I'd be interested in Yandle. He's not a pure rental, as he's signed for one more season. The price tag wouldn't be cheap, however. I'd guess at least a 1st round pick and a top prospect. Jagr seems like a good fit up front. He might be more affordable if Emelin another $3.9 million contract were removed ... never know ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 30, 2015 17:45:39 GMT -5
Someone on HIO posted this. I would love to get Methot in here for a playoff run. He's big, strong and he's helped Karlsson greatly. A playoffs D consosting of Markov-Subban Methot-Beaulieu Gonchar-Tionordi Emelin That would be my wishlist but I know Tinner isn't leaving the Dogs this year. I removed Marc Methot from my original list because I think Ottawa will be asking for the moon ... IMHO, he's one of the best defensive d-men in the conference and I feel Ottawa is going to miss him as they try moving forward ... I like the idea of Keith Yandle ... one year remaining on his current deal, as does Eric Staal ... Staal, himself, said no one (from the Canes org) had approached him with anything to this point, so ... Chris Stewart would be a great lower-lines guy ... decent wheels, pretty good finisher and he won't have enough time to dog it ... I'm not so sure Lars Eller would be available ... I suppose if the best player in the deal were to go to Montreal, then maybe ... but he's a core guy in Montreal and this might be the wrong time of year to removing guys like that ... Cheers. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 30, 2015 21:08:07 GMT -5
Monday, March 2nd, 2015. That's the trade deadline this season. So... what do we do? Big name, minor moves, top six forward, top four defenseman? Potential targets, in my opinion: Staal Jagr Vermette O'Reilly Stafford Yakupov Franson Mitchell Stuart Hedja Who else? Habs being 22nd in league with goals scored and 26th at shots on net, need to add offense. A secondary player like Vermette is not the answer as doubt he is much better offensively than a Plekanec, Eller or DD. Who's ice time he will be taking. Maybe a little bit better but not enough of an upgrade to warrant giving up considerable future for. Which Phoenix will want. Jagr is a good fit but doubt he is enough. Maybe a B plan. What they need is a high scoring #1 center, especially now since Galchenyuk don't looks like he can handle center. Yet anyway. Habs need a Kirk Muller or Bobby Smith type trade from the past. Costs will be high, likely a couple of top 6 players and a good prospect. Moving 2 top 6 forwards and getting #1 center back will free up roster spot for Hudon this spring also. Adding #1 center I think is the step in right direction. Adding a second line scorer is not the answer. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 31, 2015 1:54:44 GMT -5
Unfortunately, no one is going to hand us a #1 centre with any ability. Not without asking for Price or Subban.
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 31, 2015 6:07:34 GMT -5
Unfortunately, no one is going to hand us a #1 centre with any ability. Not without asking for Price or Subban. Well, if that is the case pretty much forget about any Cup chance. |
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Post by Anardil1 on Jan 31, 2015 19:24:19 GMT -5
Today`s game further shows me that Eller is expendable. That short handed 3 on 1 was just another example of his lack of hockey IQ, vision and offensive talent. It was brutal to watch. IMHO, I`m convinced that De La Rose would be able to produce comparable numbers and also be a smart two way player. So bottom line, if the Habs can obtain someone like Vermette, without costing too much, I would welcome it gladly.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2015 2:03:28 GMT -5
Today`s game further shows me that Eller is expendable. That short handed 3 on 1 was just another example of his lack of hockey IQ, vision and offensive talent. It was brutal to watch. IMHO, I`m convinced that De La Rose would be able to produce comparable numbers and also be a smart two way player. So bottom line, if the Habs can obtain someone like Vermette, without costing too much, I would welcome it gladly. I'm beginning to agree with you Anardil. That was a badly handled 3 on 1. I've been an Eller supporter and there are some things he's very good at, but they're mostly at the defensive end, where Delarose might indeed work out just as well. If Eller's a key part of a trade for a good scorer (say Evander Kane), then I'm for it. |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 2, 2015 9:52:10 GMT -5
Garrioch floats the idea of Mike Green coming to Montreal, but in my opinion there is no way the Capitals are dealing Green at this point. Why would they?? They're in the playoffs, with a motivated Ovechkin, a good coach, and a hot goalie. They're a threat to do some damage, so no need for them to be dumping their star offensive defenseman. Not unless it's a pure hockey deal, which means we are giving up significant assets that are currently on the team. Having said that, IF - and I say "if" because I don't think it will happen - IF Green makes it to free agency on July 1st he would be a guy I would be looking at. Problem is, given the weak market this summer, and the fact that he's already making over $6 million per year, I think you would be looking at something in the five years, $7 million per year category. It would be a gamble, but given that Green is still only 29 I think he'd be a pretty good replacement for Markov down the line. But I don't think he's going to hit the market, so it's probably a moot point. www.ottawasun.com/2015/01/31/arizona-coyotes-are-open-for-business-but-opposing-gms-wont-find-many-bargains?token=f46bc3c9f11b1e1ad5f8815d4caabe1f |
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Post by Polarice on Feb 2, 2015 12:39:51 GMT -5
I think I would take Franson over Green.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 2, 2015 12:49:04 GMT -5
If MB can swing only one deal….it's gotta be for an infusion of scoring.
My vote is to do everything you can to get Eric Staal. #1 centre solved for now.….and a great shot at making the Finals.
Of course, it depends upon which roster players/prospects/picks would be involved…but the Canes currently sit #3 in the draft, and have a great shot at getting #1 overall in the lottery.
That might temper the deal somewhat.
MB has to take advantage of Price having a Hart/Vezina year. Our scoring dried up vs. the Rangers….and we'll definitely need the type of through-a-wall intensity that Staal has brought over his career.
MB's been astutely managing the cap for a reason, no?
Swing for the fences this year….GO FOR IT!
(Jagr would be my second choice. Wouldn't cost nearly as much.)
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Post by Polarice on Feb 2, 2015 12:52:24 GMT -5
If MB can swing only one deal….it's gotta be for an infusion of scoring. My vote is to do everything you can to get Eric Staal. #1 centre solved for now.….and a great shot at making the Finals. Of course, it depends upon which roster players/prospects/picks would be involved…but the Canes currently sit #3 in the draft, and have a great shot at getting #1 overall in the lottery. That might temper the deal somewhat. MB has to take advantage of Price having a Hart/Vezina year. Our scoring dried up vs. the Rangers….and we'll definitely need the type of through-a-wall intensity that Staal has brought over his career. MB's been astutely managing the cap for a reason, no? Swing for the fences this year….GO FOR IT! (Jagr would be my second choice.) I would take Stall in a heart beat...depending on the price of course. Then I would go after Vermette for the depth. When you think about it, adding a defenceman would be good, but when you look at our team I don't think it's a must have. |
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Post by blny on Feb 2, 2015 18:47:50 GMT -5
No interest in Green. We've got puck movers. We need the net presence. We need to the guy who's gonna stand the opposition up and be painful to play against around our crease.
Staal's got a NTC/NMC so he's going to have to waive. He'd be a great get, but I have no doubt the Canes would be starting with "Galchenyuk". If we could pawn Eller or DD and pay a higher price in picks ... they have to take salary back. Cap hit of $8.25 million and an actual salary of $9.25 this and $9.5 next.
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Post by PTH on Feb 2, 2015 22:07:11 GMT -5
Monday, March 2nd, 2015. That's the trade deadline this season. So... what do we do? Big name, minor moves, top six forward, top four defenseman? Potential targets, in my opinion: Staal Jagr Vermette O'Reilly Stafford Yakupov Franson Mitchell Stuart Hedja Who else? I'd bet on 3 targets for Bergevin: One of Jagr or Stafford, based on Berg's liking for an acquisition with sizzle (Jagr), or dealing with a team he's had dealings with before (Buffalo). I'd expect Minnesota's 2nd rounder to be in play for Stafford, along with a "meh" prospect. I'd think Franson would be the target on D, given that he tried to get him once before. |
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Post by PTH on Feb 2, 2015 23:13:16 GMT -5
No interest in Green. We've got puck movers. We need the net presence. We need to the guy who's gonna stand the opposition up and be painful to play against around our crease. While I agree, Berg seems to prefer getting mobile, skilled defenders, even when they aren't very skilled or smart (thinking of Gilbert here...) I just can't see us paying the price for Staal, unless he wants to come here and only here. |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 3, 2015 8:23:18 GMT -5
So in the last eight days or so the team has called up Christian Thomas, Gabriel Dumont and now Jacob de la Rose. I know we've had some injuries, but geez, isn't that coincidental that these guys are all getting some NHL ice time a month before the trade deadline?  |
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Post by PTH on Feb 3, 2015 8:27:03 GMT -5
So in the last eight days or so the team has called up Christian Thomas, Gabriel Dumont and now Jacob de la Rose. I know we've had some injuries, but geez, isn't that coincidental that these guys are all getting some NHL ice time a month before the trade deadline? I think guys who are playing well are getting rewarded with a cup of coffee in the big leagues.... so to me it doesn't mean they're being showcased... I think NHL teams already have scouts in the AHL and the handful of games (paying very few minute) a guy might play won't change much to anyone's opinion at this point. |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 3, 2015 8:34:40 GMT -5
Do we swing back on Jordan Eberle?
We've said it before here, that the Oilers should be concentrating on keeping veterans like Eberle (as young as he still is), but who knows what they will do. Eberle would certainly fit all our top 6 criteria, no? Very good offensive player, clutch in the big games obviously, still very young, right winger. He's not a big masher of course, but it's the size of the heart that matters. He has a significant cap hit, but $6 million is not THAT big a cap hit, and I'm pretty sure just about every team in the league would take the player first, and worry about the dollars later. So there would be a bidding war. Being in the East certainly helps us in that regard, but it only takes one other team.
So the question is, what would have to go the other way? I don't want to part with any roster players, but Gallagher might be the asking price. What about Beaulieu? Top prospects? Would we part with a Scherbak, along with say our 1st round pick? Would it take more?
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Post by franko on Feb 3, 2015 8:52:21 GMT -5
I think we need to keep Gally, BC, because we don't have a lot of feistiness or jam without him.
but realize you've to got to give to get. and we need to get some scoring!
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Post by blny on Feb 3, 2015 8:57:19 GMT -5
My greatest concern with a guy like Brendan Gallagher is his ceiling. Will he ever be more than a 20-20 man who frustrates opponents? IMO he's not a 'natural' goal scorer. There's nothing wrong with that as he works as hard as anyone in the league. You need that too. But, if you think he's at his peak and can move him in a deal that makes you better ...
TFP, partially citing La Presse, saying that Montreal and Arizona continue to talk. Vermette, Yandle/Michalek are the talking points. Yandle is the only one with term left after this season. Michalek is a solid rhd. I'm still not sold on Vermette.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 3, 2015 9:48:16 GMT -5
So in the last eight days or so the team has called up Christian Thomas, Gabriel Dumont and now Jacob de la Rose. I know we've had some injuries, but geez, isn't that coincidental that these guys are all getting some NHL ice time a month before the trade deadline? Depends on how close Bergevin thinks we are to a Cup ... if he thinks we're very close then I can see him pulling the trigger on a deal to land some scoring ... to me, showcasing the players you've mentioned makes sense as I don't foresee him moving a roster player at this stage of the game ... maybe earlier in the season, but moving a roster player now might be a disruption to the dressing room ... that's just me though ... Cheers. |
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Post by frozone on Feb 3, 2015 10:56:33 GMT -5
I think MB just wants to see which prospects can be relied upon as call-ups if needed during the playoffs. If they don't look ready yet, MB will probably pick up some depth at the deadline.
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