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Post by jkr on Feb 9, 2015 15:39:38 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Feb 9, 2015 17:15:14 GMT -5
do these guys have ties to Eklund or Garrioch? man, they're throwing anything and everything against the wall and hoping something sticks.
and seriously, Gagnon . . . Methot? he's staying in Ottawa unless they're planning a long-term tank.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 9, 2015 17:48:04 GMT -5
I only read a bit of the link (still using my phone when at home) ... I was watching some speculation on Sportsnet and they seem to think LA might be looking for d-men ... They're actually in a position to miss the playoffs this year ... can't see Ottawa trading up with a division rival ... stranger things have happened I guess ...
Cheers.
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Post by blny on Feb 9, 2015 18:25:50 GMT -5
Methot's name has been out there. He's a UFA. They're not a playoff team. Even if they thought they could re-sign him, it wouldn't be a bad idea to move him and add some more assets.
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Post by franko on Feb 9, 2015 19:08:06 GMT -5
no, they're not a playoff team -- this year. Methot is a building block, though. Phillips is past his prime, and the other Sens d-men haven't proved their mettle except for Cici. Methot wanted 5.5 or 6 long term; Sens held out but I think they'll wind up giving it to him..
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 9, 2015 22:04:06 GMT -5
no, they're not a playoff team -- this year. Methot is a building block, though. Phillips is past his prime, and the other Sens d-men haven't proved their mettle except for Cici. Methot wanted 5.5 or 6 long term; Sens held out but I think they'll wind up giving it to him.. The team has a self imposed cap of about 50 million. They got burned on the Cowan deal and i wouldn't be surprised if they trade Methot to get propects and picks in the upcoming draft. He's 29 and in his prime but I'm not sure if they think he should be their 3rd highest paid player after Karlsson and Ryan. Hes a steady stay at home type d man, they generally don't get the big bucks like offensive dmen. I for one would love to see him or neil on the habs though. |
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Post by franko on Feb 9, 2015 22:18:33 GMT -5
no, they're not a playoff team -- this year. Methot is a building block, though. Phillips is past his prime, and the other Sens d-men haven't proved their mettle except for Cici. Methot wanted 5.5 or 6 long term; Sens held out but I think they'll wind up giving it to him.. The team has a self imposed cap of about 50 million. They got burned on the Cowan deal and i wouldn't be surprised if they trade Methot to get propects and picks in the upcoming draft. He's 29 and in his prime but I'm not sure if they think he should be their 3rd highest paid player after Karlsson and Ryan. Hes a steady stay at home type d man, they generally don't get the big bucks like offensive dmen. I for one would love to see him or neil on the habs though. Neil's gone . . . but he is close to or past his due date. could he stand up (to) Lucy? Kreider? |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 9, 2015 22:21:11 GMT -5
The team has a self imposed cap of about 50 million. They got burned on the Cowan deal and i wouldn't be surprised if they trade Methot to get propects and picks in the upcoming draft. He's 29 and in his prime but I'm not sure if they think he should be their 3rd highest paid player after Karlsson and Ryan. Hes a steady stay at home type d man, they generally don't get the big bucks like offensive dmen. I for one would love to see him or neil on the habs though. Neil's gone . . . but he is close to or past his due date. could he stand up (to) Lucy? Kreider? Not sure but he'd give it a try... and he would allow prust to not have to do it and the mtl fans would love him. He is a heart and soul guy on a team. |
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Post by Gogie on Feb 10, 2015 8:58:31 GMT -5
Neil's gone . . . but he is close to or past his due date. could he stand up (to) Lucy? Kreider? Not sure but he'd give it a try... and he would allow prust to not have to do it and the mtl fans would love him. He is a heart and soul guy on a team. As much as I hate Neil as a Senator, I'd love him as a Hab. I'd categorize him as an "honest warrior" and, like Prust, - a team first player. |
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Post by blny on Feb 10, 2015 9:29:18 GMT -5
Neil does seem to aging fairly well for the tough guy type. He'll be 36 in June and has another year on his deal at $1.5 million. He's missed some games this year, but still has better part of 4 hits per game.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 10, 2015 18:31:01 GMT -5
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 10, 2015 18:33:21 GMT -5
Dreger said today he can't get nothing from Montreal what they are doing. But by talking with other clubs, Habs had trade talks this week concerning west conference defenseman. Bergs he said is kicking tires on most everything and let it be known he would like to add top 6 forward as well.
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Post by jkr on Feb 10, 2015 18:48:56 GMT -5
A name I've read in the rumors as far as D men go is Michalek in Arizona. He's UFA to be according to nhlnumbers.com. Not much offense & I haven't seen him play much so I can't give an opinion.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 10, 2015 20:30:07 GMT -5
Keith Yandle has one year remaining after this one ... I'm hoping Bergevin is at least asking about him ...
Cheers.
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Post by blny on Feb 10, 2015 23:28:21 GMT -5
My understanding is tires have been kicked about both Michalek and Yandle. Not to say acquiring both players, but one or the other. I'd certainly prefer either to Vermette, who imo is the most overrated trade bait going.
Arizona's a bad team, semi ripe for the picking. Yandle's had two brutal years defensively. He leads them in scoring with 39 points. He's a -20 something though. On a team full of large numbers on the wrong side of zero, Michalek is -4. He's the steady guy. Not flashy. Not a brute, but has size. Plays an efficient game. He can play either side too. He'd be a guy I'd like to have to replace Gilbert beyond this season (or now if you can find a taker).
Markov-Subban
Emelin-Michalek
Beaulieu-Gonchar
Tinordi-Weaver
I suspect Methot will be more expensive than he's worth, even if he is the type we need. I'd go into the playoffs with the above group feeling pretty good though. Tim Gleason could be a cheap pick up. He's a bigger version of Weaver. Meszaros in Buffalo would be more expensive, but can play either side, take the body, and shoot. Kings are presently on the outside looking in. Would they part with Regehr?
The goal scorer is going to be harder to find. I've got reservations with Jagr. Habs play up tempo. We all know he can keep up mentally. Can he keep up physically? On the big ice, with Plekanec, he can slow it down. Can't do that here with our roster. There's so little out there. Outside of Jagr, the only way I see Berg adding scoring up front is through an old fashioned hockey deal.
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 11, 2015 8:39:54 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see if Bergevin gets any picks back as well. He seems to have a history of getting teams to throw in picks for no apparent reason:
* Cole for Ryder... and a 3rd round pick
* Collberg and a 2nd for Vanek... and a 5th round pick
* Briere for Parenteau... and a 5th round pick
I know the rumors talk about a one-for-one deal on defense, but that would kind of surprise me. Contending teams generally like to keep warm bodies around "just in case", and especially if they're veteran players who have a presence in the room. So I would be surprised if guys like Emelin or Gilbert are included in any deal. Emelin because he has a history of playing great in the playoffs, and Gilbert because as I said he could be a useful depth player to keep around for a long playoff run. But we shall see. Bergevin doesn't seem to mind turning over the dressing room, which is kind of surprising for a guy who played in the league for so long...
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Post by Polarice on Feb 11, 2015 9:49:24 GMT -5
In the playoffs teams tighten up, so a good top 4 dman would be ideal, if not I'm happy with what we have. Also, I would like to have a good power forward, someone else who likes the dirty areas, because lets face it, 90% of the goals scored in the playoffs are scored from the crease.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 11, 2015 11:03:00 GMT -5
Bob McKenzie doesn't just speculate ... when he says something about a possible trade it's usually quite creditable ... a cut and paste from TSN ... McKenzie tweeted today that the Jets have been in Kane talks with other clubs, including the Vancouver Canucks and Montreal Canadiens. He tweeted that if a Sabres-Jets deal gets done, it may be a bigger deal than just Kane.Cheers. |
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Post by Polarice on Feb 11, 2015 11:49:27 GMT -5
Done Deal!
Tyler Myers
Drew Stafford
Joel Armia
Brendan Lemieux
1st-round pick
for
Evander Kane
Zach Bogosian
Jason Kasdorf
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 11, 2015 11:53:35 GMT -5
Done Deal! Tyler Myers Drew Stafford Joel Armia Brendan Lemieux 1st-round pick for Evander Kane Zach Bogosian Jason Kasdorf I'd like to know what Winnipeg was asking Montreal for ... that's quite a deal ... Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Feb 11, 2015 11:55:16 GMT -5
where'd ya hear "done"?
which first?
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Post by Polarice on Feb 11, 2015 12:20:25 GMT -5
where'd ya hear "done"?which first? Sportsnet.....Didn't say which 1st |
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Post by Polarice on Feb 11, 2015 12:22:11 GMT -5
Done Deal! Tyler Myers Drew Stafford Joel Armia Brendan Lemieux 1st-round pick for Evander Kane Zach Bogosian Jason Kasdorf I'd like to know what Winnipeg was asking Montreal for ... that's quite a deal ... Cheers. Looks like an over payment IMO. Leaves me to wonder what we could get for Gally of Pac? |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 11, 2015 16:50:26 GMT -5
I was reading the trade speculation and all the angst in Toronto over Kessel and Phaneuf and something occurred to me. (Get ready to pick yourself off the floor from laughing so hard). Berg has shown himself to not be averse to trading in his own division (Gorges for Franson: Gorges for a second rounder). So why not trade for Kessel? Yeah he has huge character issues and he doesn't give a hoot about backchecking, but he can score. He's not old and fits Berg's model of "other than a rental". He's a fitness freak in that he freaks out over possibly being fit. Suddenly our right wing talent doesn't look so bad.
What would we give back? We'd have to free up some CAP space, so a guy like Parenteau would work. He's not nearly a Kessel scorer, but he's not a klutz either. He checks a bit better than Kessel, and he'd help Toronto in their 'Wallow for Connor' cammpaign. Buffalo has upped the stakes, so the Leafs have to do something. So, Parenteau to start. Then the Leafs need goaltending. Fucale gets added to the pot. They also need defense and we have a number of defense prospects we can hand over. Nygren could make that team easy and we can add any defense prospect not named Beaulieu or Tinordi. There'd have to be more to that, but Kessel's value will have dropped. After all, he's uncoachable. Huge risk....oh yeah, definitely. We have the goalie who can make up for Kessel's deficiencies and there's no doubt we could use a genuine sniper.
I'll file this under "Thinking in bi-polar fashion", but who knows? After Gretzky got traded, anything can happen.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 11, 2015 18:33:57 GMT -5
My understanding is tires have been kicked about both Michalek and Yandle. Not to say acquiring both players, but one or the other. I'd certainly prefer either to Vermette, who imo is the most overrated trade bait going. Arizona's a bad team, semi ripe for the picking. Yandle's had two brutal years defensively. He leads them in scoring with 39 points. He's a -20 something though. On a team full of large numbers on the wrong side of zero, Michalek is -4. He's the steady guy. Not flashy. Not a brute, but has size. Plays an efficient game. He can play either side too. He'd be a guy I'd like to have to replace Gilbert beyond this season (or now if you can find a taker). Markov-Subban Emelin-Michalek Beaulieu-Gonchar Tinordi-Weaver I suspect Methot will be more expensive than he's worth, even if he is the type we need. I'd go into the playoffs with the above group feeling pretty good though. Tim Gleason could be a cheap pick up. He's a bigger version of Weaver. Meszaros in Buffalo would be more expensive, but can play either side, take the body, and shoot. Kings are presently on the outside looking in. Would they part with Regehr? The goal scorer is going to be harder to find. I've got reservations with Jagr. Habs play up tempo. We all know he can keep up mentally. Can he keep up physically? On the big ice, with Plekanec, he can slow it down. Can't do that here with our roster. There's so little out there. Outside of Jagr, the only way I see Berg adding scoring up front is through an old fashioned hockey deal. Maybe a trade based around Eller and Vermette. Eller is signed, so Yotes add Michalek and we add Gilbert? |
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Post by blny on Feb 11, 2015 19:35:06 GMT -5
Maybe a trade based around Eller and Vermette. Eller is signed, so Yotes add Michalek and we add Gilbert? We get a fair bit older in that deal. It's easy to forget that Eller isn't even 26 yet. If it's the goal of the deal to get out of Eller's contract, I suppose I can see that. Given Lars age, and his ability to up his game for the playoffs, I'd be hesitant. Gilbert and Michalek are both signed through next year. I'm torn on this one. |
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Post by blny on Feb 11, 2015 20:07:03 GMT -5
Reading that Berg turned down a Yotes offer of Vermette for DLR and a second. Good boy Berg.
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 11, 2015 20:10:06 GMT -5
Reading that Berg turned down a Yotes offer of Vermette for DLR and a second. Good boy Berg. I wouldn't of given either, let of both of them for Vermette. |
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Post by blny on Feb 11, 2015 20:38:26 GMT -5
I think Vermette is one of the biggest 'traps' this deadline. Sure, he can play all three forward positions and is somewhat responsible defensively. Big deal. IMO, we've got Plekanec and Tomas trumps Vermette in just about every category.
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Post by franko on Feb 12, 2015 7:48:46 GMT -5
Maybe a trade based around Eller and Vermette. Eller is signed, so Yotes add Michalek and we add Gilbert? We get a fair bit older in that deal. It's easy to forget that Eller isn't even 26 yet. If it's the goal of the deal to get out of Eller's contract, I suppose I can see that. Given Lars age, and his ability to up his game for the playoffs, I'd be hesitant. Gilbert and Michalek are both signed through next year. I'm torn on this one. I don't know why Vermette is so highly on the radar. just because it is the trade deadline and just because he is going to be UFA doesn't mean that a team should go after him. I don't think we'd be all that better -- if any -- with him. |
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