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Post by jkr on Feb 12, 2015 8:01:47 GMT -5
We get a fair bit older in that deal. It's easy to forget that Eller isn't even 26 yet. If it's the goal of the deal to get out of Eller's contract, I suppose I can see that. Given Lars age, and his ability to up his game for the playoffs, I'd be hesitant. Gilbert and Michalek are both signed through next year. I'm torn on this one. I don't know why Vermette is so highly on the radar. just because it is the trade deadline and just because he is going to be UFA doesn't mean that a team should go after him. I don't think we'd be all that better -- if any -- with him. Reminds me of when Clarkson was UFA. He may have been the best player available but that was because the pool was so shallow. Nonis jumped in anyway. |
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Post by franko on Feb 12, 2015 9:09:11 GMT -5
I don't know why Vermette is so highly on the radar. just because it is the trade deadline and just because he is going to be UFA doesn't mean that a team should go after him. I don't think we'd be all that better -- if any -- with him. Reminds me of when Clarkson was UFA. He may have been the best player available but that was because the pool was so shallow. Nonis jumped in anyway. GMs getting caught up in the TSN hype. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 12, 2015 10:17:46 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 12, 2015 10:31:49 GMT -5
I don't know why Vermette is so highly on the radar. just because it is the trade deadline and just because he is going to be UFA doesn't mean that a team should go after him. I don't think we'd be all that better -- if any -- with him. Reminds me of when Clarkson was UFA. He may have been the best player available but that was because the pool was so shallow. Nonis jumped in anyway. And he's been a healthy scratch the last 2 games... way to go Nonis. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 12, 2015 10:32:41 GMT -5
Of course he won't be but it is interesting that Svoboda met with Lou in MTL (unless Svoboda lives there) |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 12, 2015 10:41:17 GMT -5
Interesting.
2 losses after that statement by Lou. They have to go something like 21-7-0 in their remaining 28 games to hit 93 pts.
Another couple of losses before the deadline, and Lou will be changing his mind, if he hasn't already.
If Berg pulls off another last-second deal, he should be called The Amazing Sniperman.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 12, 2015 11:07:41 GMT -5
Especially if Eller ups his game, as he has shown he can, in the playoffs. Nah, not Vermette.
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 12, 2015 12:52:24 GMT -5
I would try and prey on the Leafs and try to get JVR from them. A big boy that can slot in the top 6 and is signed reasonably long term.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 12, 2015 13:39:33 GMT -5
Chris Stewart and/or Chris Neil ... Stewart is tagged as having an attitude, but he's also tough, has the hands and decent wheels ... Neil is a heart and soul kind of guy ... not sure what the asking price would be for either of them but if you want to get tougher ...
Cheers.
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Post by franko on Feb 12, 2015 13:47:36 GMT -5
Chris Stewart and/or Chris Neil ... Stewart is tagged as having an attitude, but he's also tough, has the hands and decent wheels ... Neil is a heart and soul kind of guy ... not sure what the asking price would be for either of them but if you want to get tougher ... Cheers. Stewart is lazy. Neil . . . a coupla years ago, maybe, but he's banged up now and doesn't recuperate as quickly as he once did. and every once in a while he decides that he's a goal-scoring hockey player and forgets why he's on the team. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 12, 2015 14:04:09 GMT -5
Neil . . . a coupla years ago, maybe, but... every once in a while he decides that he's a goal-scoring hockey player and forgets why he's on the team. Old age, concussions = forgetfulness. What were we talking about? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 12, 2015 14:13:16 GMT -5
Neil . . . a coupla years ago, maybe, but... every once in a while he decides that he's a goal-scoring hockey player and forgets why he's on the team. Old age, concussions = forgetfulness. What were we talking about? Any solutions fellas ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Feb 12, 2015 19:09:34 GMT -5
There's dialogue out there that suggests Eller and Emelin are available.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 12, 2015 19:23:03 GMT -5
Mckenzie re-iterated that on Hockey Insiders today. Not a surprise.
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 13, 2015 8:04:53 GMT -5
While it *shouldn't* be a surprise that Eller and Emelin are on the market, am I the only one that is starting to get a little concerned by this? Not only have Eller and Emelin proven to be some of our better playoff players over the last couple of years, but they were also signed to long term contracts by Bergevin. Who is now shopping them. I get that they are the most "marketable" players from a lot of different angles, but I'm starting to wonder if Bergevin has a handle on his long term vision for the team. I get that you have to be flexible and all that, but still... It just seems weird that he signs these guys and then tries to trade them. Like he botched the initial evaluation of them, and is now trying to fix his mistakes. Or is he a visionary who is signing guys to long term contracts BECAUSE he wants to trade them and figures this ups their value?
I don't know. Just seems like he's getting a little trade happy with roster players. I'm all for making moves to improve the team, and so far I have been very happy with Bergevin as GM, but how much roster turnover have we had in the last couple of years? Is "Moving Marc" Bergevin's new nickname? Does he have plan, as we all thought, or is he just winging it?
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Post by Skilly on Feb 13, 2015 8:25:20 GMT -5
Eller and Emelin should be untouchable IMO ... these are the grunts you need to win in the playoffs. Not flashy but gets the job done.
After those two though, who on the Habs may be considered an asset that other teams covet, that we are willing to part with?? I don't see anyone. The obvious choices are Desharnais and one of Beaulieu/Tinordi. I don't see anyone wanting Desharnais (not for the top six forward, top 4 defense we need), and it would be a shame to give up on the young defense prospects too early. Our biggest trading chip, might very well be Fucale. But with Tokarski struggling, Fucale may be the back-up sooner than later.
While Bergevin is calling everyone and anyone, I get the feeling we wont be making any moves, not until we figure out which prosects we want to keep.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 13, 2015 13:19:26 GMT -5
I don't like the idea of moving these guys for a couple of reasons (at least).
1) They've hardly been on fire lately, so their trade value is not what it should be
2) We'd be reverting back to a smurf team. Not only are Eller and Emelin big, they're also two of the stronger guys on the team. They win their share of board battles. In Emelin's case, he's in Lucic's head, so I'd hate to lose him for that alone. I think both have had rough stretches, but both are capable of much more and if Berg trades them, he'd better be getting back someone that can't be replaced more easily than Emelin and Eller. Defensively, DLR can replace Eller, but he's offensively challenged, even more, perhaps than Eller. Maybe not, but it's still a question mark. His hockey sense is better, but are his hands? Anyway, I'll be glad when the trade deadline passes. It's tough on some of the players.
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Post by blny on Feb 13, 2015 14:00:40 GMT -5
It all depends on the return. Berg is more or less on record saying that he wants to do a traditional hockey deal, and not a rental.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 13, 2015 14:05:23 GMT -5
I don't know. Just seems like he's getting a little trade happy with roster players. I'm all for making moves to improve the team, and so far I have been very happy with Bergevin as GM, but how much roster turnover have we had in the last couple of years? Is "Moving Marc" Bergevin's new nickname? Does he have plan, as we all thought, or is he just winging it? We talked about this on the first page of the thread ... moving roster players earlier in the year (like he's done already) isn't as much of a risk to team chemistry as it is by moving them out around the trade deadline ... I don't know what his motivaations are, but "Mover Marc" Bergevin still has a long way to go to catch "Trader Phil" Esposito ... Cheers. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 13, 2015 15:03:36 GMT -5
...neither player (Eller/Emelin) are key pieces here and can be replaced by others easily (DLR, Tinordi)... if they can be grouped to get a nice return I wouldn't mind at all.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Feb 13, 2015 19:01:39 GMT -5
Eller and Emelin fall into that category of you have to give up something to get something. Teams looking to trade a top player are going to be looking for proven NHL player and a pick and both of these players are that. I wouldn't want to trade either for a short term rental but if it meant getting a player like Yakapov, Eberle, Yandle, Skinner or Stall then you seriously consider it.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 13, 2015 19:10:51 GMT -5
In the bigger picture, that's why you develop young, cheaper players. So that you can trade your more mature, more expensive players without losing much in the turnover, while adding an important piece that you need. If we lost Eller and Emelin and replaced them with DLR and Tinordi and then added Eberle, would any of us think that was a bad swap? We lose a little bit in the short run with the immediate replacements, but we get a huge upgrade on the scoring end at right wing that makes us better overall I think.
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Post by blny on Feb 13, 2015 20:04:22 GMT -5
Sentimentally, it's easy to want to hang onto Eller and Emelin. I'm certainly not in favor of trading them for any of this year's rentals. But, if there's a legitimate hockey deal out there, it's an idea I would entertain.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 13, 2015 20:20:30 GMT -5
Just no offense from Eller. DLR makes him expendable.
Going to be bit of gamble as Eller has played well in playoffs before and Emelin has the Bruins number. Bergs is weak on contracts but is very good trader. Sure he will get right return.
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Post by blny on Feb 13, 2015 20:53:51 GMT -5
If Emelin, Eller, and our first landed Eberle and Petry, would people be disappointed? Petry is pending UFA, so it could be three assets for Eberle.
Emelin = $4.1 cap hit for 3 more years.
Eller = $3.5 cap hit for 3 more years.
Eberle = $6 million for 4 more years.
Petry = $3.075 million for this year.
Fair to say that if the Oilers negotiated a ltd with Petry it would be in the same ball park as Emelin's deal. In that respect, they'd save cap space. Were they to let him walk, their cap number would go up. Emelin would obviously have to waive his nmc. Oilers get bigger. They get a clear cut #3 center who can still be number two ... maybe. We get a legit scoring boost, and a rhd who's a puck mover with some size.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 13, 2015 21:55:00 GMT -5
I am not the biggest fan of Eberle. But Habs need scoring on right side and those 2 GMs were seen chatting recently, so decent chance something gets done. I'd be shocked Habs moved that first pick though. Success Timmins has shown drafting late first round. 3 gems in Schebak, McCarron and Beaulieu. Maybe a Fucale type prospect instead? With season Condon is having
I see a Thomas and mid round pick for Franson. If Habs are able to trade Emelin. But he has no-trade clause.
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Post by blny on Feb 13, 2015 22:29:33 GMT -5
I am not the biggest fan of Eberle. But Habs need scoring on right side and those 2 GMs were seen chatting recently, so decent chance something gets done. I'd be shocked Habs moved that first pick though. Success Timmins has shown drafting late first round. 3 gems in Schebak, McCarron and Beaulieu. Maybe a Fucale type prospect instead? With season Condon is having I see a Thomas and mid round pick for Franson. If Habs are able to trade Emelin. But he has no-trade clause. Eberle does make us smaller, but his skill is undeniable. Plekanec slots down to a third line role he's more than able to fill. Or maybe you keep Galchenyuk on the wing and get a rental for that checking role. Emelin's nmc is a stumbling block for sure. I'm reluctant to part with Fucale. Condon is nice, but he's 25. Zach turns 20 in May. If we look down the road, and him developing at a pace maybe similar to Price's (in that it took Price a while to cement himself), Zach's got about 5 years to work on his pro game. In 5 years Carey will be 33. Scary thought. Just when Carey is on the down side of his career, Zach is coming into his own. Condon, at that time, will be 30. Obviously there are no guarantees in all of this. But, I much prefer the notion of developing Fucale and having him ready for when Price will be slowing down. Another option out there is a player I've mentioned before: Patrick Sharp in Chicago. Obviously the Hawks would be reluctant to move him during the season, but they're in dire need of cap relief. He's older, and has 2 years left at $5.9 million. Some have suggested that the Hawks need to round out their defense. I don't know for sure. What I do know is that they can't take a ton of salary back. Sharp for Emelin straight up shaves $1.8 million of their number. Sharp's an experienced winger who shoots right. Told he can play either side. Numbers are down this year. |
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Post by Disp on Feb 14, 2015 13:38:44 GMT -5
It better be a good return if he trades the 2 E's. Size does matter. I kind of like having a dman that will drill somebody once and awhile.
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Post by blny on Feb 14, 2015 14:48:04 GMT -5
It better be a good return if he trades the 2 E's. Size does matter. I kind of like having a dman that will drill somebody once and awhile. No question. Eller has shown the ability to step up in the playoffs, and if we do face Boston we know Emelin will show up. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 14, 2015 17:54:51 GMT -5
What's this on TSN, where the Leafs are asking about Bournival and Thomas?
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