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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 22:15:17 GMT -5
3 cups in 6 seasons, the most since Detroit did it ('97, '98, '02).
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Post by franko on Jun 15, 2015 22:20:27 GMT -5
Dynasty...or at least the closest we get in the league these days. hey you beat me to it. I think even three in a row -- heck, two in a row -- is going to be difficult in Mr. Buttman's NHL. |
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Post by franko on Jun 15, 2015 22:21:51 GMT -5
A clear of a trip as they come on Desjardins, refs won't call it. #GameManagement maybe a make-up call for the pretty-close too many men the Hawks got away with. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 15, 2015 22:27:49 GMT -5
Glad the Blackhawks won if only to listen to and watch HNIC squirm.
As one-sided as coverage gets.
Oh well….now that crew can focus solely on Toronto once again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 22:35:26 GMT -5
Funny you should mention that, CH. I know some folks in the US, and their broadcasts appear to be biased towards the Blackhawks.
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Post by blny on Jun 15, 2015 22:43:27 GMT -5
First Cup win in Chicago since 1938. Cup wasn't there that night. Almost didn't make it tonight because the league didn't have the foresight to have the darn thing in the building early in the day. No, let's wait until the last possible minute. What could go wrong?
When I watch the Hawks, one word comes to mind: discipline. Even tonight, every chance for a scrum, they just skate away. One of the stoppages for a Tampa penalty, Hedman engages a player in a clear attempt to draw a penalty. That Hawk just skates away. No shenanigans. It goes beyond that though. The discipline exists in the way they play. Forwards are ALWAYS where they're supposed to be. They support the defenders beautifully at every turn. They're on the half wall to receive pucks from behind their own net all the time and at the right time. Stuff that should be simple, and basic, that clearly isn't is par for the course for them. Their attention to detail is second to none.
Hats off to Kimmo Timonen as well. First cup. He was on the ice when Kane scored the winner against the Flyers in 2010. A draft pick of the Kings in 1993. The perfect way, the Lanny MacDonald way, of capping off a career.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 23:09:11 GMT -5
Exactly, blny. To be honest, I thought Tampa was going to overcome adversity and have a great road game. Chicago has the type of killer instinct our team has been missing for years.
Pay attention, MB.
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Post by blny on Jun 15, 2015 23:16:04 GMT -5
Exactly, blny. To be honest, I thought Tampa was going to overcome adversity and have a great road game. Chicago has the type of killer instinct our team has been missing for years. Pay attention, MB. Having come to us from them, he should be well aware.  |
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Post by blny on Jun 16, 2015 5:42:43 GMT -5
Bishop's groin was torn on a shot from Richards in game 2 and Johnson broke his wrist on a mid ice collision.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 8:38:54 GMT -5
Bishop's groin was torn on a shot from Richards in game 2 and Johnson broke his wrist on a mid ice collision. Bishop's injury was no secret at all. He didn't look comfortable in the least. |
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Post by blny on Jun 16, 2015 8:59:07 GMT -5
Bishop's groin was torn on a shot from Richards in game 2 and Johnson broke his wrist on a mid ice collision. Bishop's injury was no secret at all. He didn't look comfortable in the least. Neither was really. Johnson couldn't shoot. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 16, 2015 9:24:28 GMT -5
That's what sucking for a decade, drafting high, making solid pro trades, and astute coaching and player development will do.
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Post by jkr on Jun 16, 2015 9:34:29 GMT -5
That's what sucking for a decade, drafting high, making solid pro trades, and astute coaching and player development will do. you make it sound so simple. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 16, 2015 9:42:40 GMT -5
Yeah….but that's the truth. The entry draft system is in place for such potential success.
Pittsburgh did it to some degree, as well.
The Islanders are finally gaining some ground….but the Oilers are the opposite of the Blackhawks.
Maybe they can finally turn it around with McDavid (what a JOKE of a system which allows one team so many top picks in succession.)
Be interesting to see what the Sabres do in the next few years, too.
We have one such player from finishing low--Galchenyuk--and our brain trust can't even figure out where to get the best out of him.
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What does it say about Cooper's faith in Vasilevski when he'd rather play torn-groin Bishop?
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Post by blny on Jun 16, 2015 9:49:17 GMT -5
Yeah….but that's the truth. The entry draft system is in place for such potential success. Pittsburgh did it to some degree, as well. The Islanders are finally gaining some ground….but the Oilers are the opposite of the Blackhawks. Maybe they can finally turn it around with McDavid (what a JOKE of a system which allows one team so many top picks in succession.) Be interesting to see what the Sabres do in the next few years, too. We have one such player from finishing low--Galchenyuk--and our brain trust can't even figure out where to get the best out of him. ================================================= Back to the Bolts…. What does it say about Cooper's faith in Vasilevski when he'd rather play torn-groin Bishop? or that when they got PP chances Johnson was out there and unable to shoot. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 16, 2015 9:57:21 GMT -5
Yep…Therrien would've no doubt been grilled for both decisions if they'd lost in any round of the playoffs.
Oduya had a torn ligament in his elbow….suffered on that Kucherov slew foot in Game 3. Can't find a highlight of it. Oduya said he didn't have much use of his triceps…but that he felt okay to play.
Versteeg (knee) and Kruger (undisclosed) were also playing through injuries that would've kept them out of regular season action.
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Post by blny on Jun 16, 2015 9:58:50 GMT -5
Re Chicago, if we go back to 2002 and examine their drafting:
2002 - #21 Babchuk, #54 Keith
2003 - #14 Seabrook, #52 Crawford
2004 - #3 Barker
2005 - #7 Skille
2006 - #3 Toews
2007 - #1 Kane
2008 - bad bad bad
2009 - #149 Kruger
There's a few hits, and a few misses - Babchuk, and Skille for example. They really took advantage of scouting in the second round with Keith and Crawford. Bolland was also a second round pick. They weren't horrible for a long long time, but they took advantage when they were and have supplemented it with some excellent picks in Seabrook, Keith and Crawford.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 16, 2015 10:13:14 GMT -5
That's what sucking for a decade, drafting high, making solid pro trades, and astute coaching and player development will do. I was saying this very thing to a friend of mine earlier this morning ... I don't have the time of day for Brian Burke, but he summed up the "Pittsburgh" model perfectly ... when asked if he was going to emulate the "Pittsburgh model" Burke replied (paraphrase) "... what's the Pittsburgh model ... they won a couple of lotteries ..." and, he was right ... I think this also applies to Chicago as well ... each team sucked for a few years and then drafted their core players, superstars taken early in the drafts, and they simply built around them ... IMO, this is why Montreal has been playing catch-up ... Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Jun 16, 2015 11:07:51 GMT -5
What does it say about Cooper's faith in Vasilevski when he'd rather play torn-groin Bishop? that StevieY subscribes to the Flyer strategy of goaltending: throw someone in and hope for the best. I know that's what most teams do, but most teams actually have some sort of trust with their #2 netminder. can you imagine putting Carey in last year because we didn't think Toker could do a thing? |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 16, 2015 11:15:24 GMT -5
That's what sucking for a decade, drafting high, making solid pro trades, and astute coaching and player development will do. I was saying this very thing to a friend of mine earlier this morning ... I don't have the time of day for Brian Burke, but he summed up the "Pittsburgh" model perfectly ... when asked if he was going to emulate the "Pittsburgh model" Burke replied (paraphrase) "... what's the Pittsburgh model ... they won a couple of lotteries ..." and, he was right ... I think this also applies to Chicago as well ... each team sucked for a few years and then drafted their core players, superstars taken early in the drafts, and they simply built around them ... IMO, this is why Montreal has been playing catch-up ... Cheers. Another way to rebuild properly occurred, ironically, in our Centennial Year. How many role players and draft picks could've been had with those 10 or so UFAs who walked after we were bounced in humiliating fashion by the Bruins? Were Gainey's hands really tied because of the pressure of the 100th celebrations? Gainey was then forced to go shopping. Trading away McDonagh in the process. Halak's great goaltending gave us some excitement the next year….but it finally came crashing down in 2012. Three years of more-of-the-same when we could've been building properly. We likely wouldn't have had Galchenyuk….but there's still controversy over whether or not he's being handled properly. Ha! We're still quite a ways from reaching Chicago's level, IMO. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 16, 2015 11:59:36 GMT -5
I was saying this very thing to a friend of mine earlier this morning ... I don't have the time of day for Brian Burke, but he summed up the "Pittsburgh" model perfectly ... when asked if he was going to emulate the "Pittsburgh model" Burke replied (paraphrase) "... what's the Pittsburgh model ... they won a couple of lotteries ..." and, he was right ... I think this also applies to Chicago as well ... each team sucked for a few years and then drafted their core players, superstars taken early in the drafts, and they simply built around them ... IMO, this is why Montreal has been playing catch-up ... Cheers. Another way to rebuild properly occurred, ironically, in our Centennial Year. How many role players and draft picks could've been had with those 10 or so UFAs who walked after we were bounced in humiliating fashion by the Bruins? Were Gainey's hands really tied because of the pressure of the 100th celebrations? Gainey was then forced to go shopping. Trading away McDonagh in the process. Halak's great goaltending gave us some excitement the next year….but it finally came crashing down in 2012. Three years of more-of-the-same when we could've been building properly. We likely wouldn't have had Galchenyuk….but there's still controversy over whether or not he's being handled properly. Ha! We're still quite a ways from reaching Chicago's level, IMO. It seemed Gainey was replacing 8 to 10 players every year at one point ... however, I felt the organization took several steps back under Jacques Martin ... I thought Bob Gainey did what he could for the 100th anniversary ... the team looked really good until whatever it was that affected them ... not long after that, Gainey said that the club was going in a different direction and that's exactly what happened ... Martin also had a say in who he wanted (or what type of players he wanted?) for his "everyone-take-a-man" system ... I just don't understand how Ryan McDonagh could be part of that trade, but I distinctly remember hearing that Gainey felt McDonagh was going to be a bottom-pair defenceman ... at least that's how he validated moving him ... as an aside, would we have drafted Nathan Beaulieu or Jared Tinordi if we had hung onto McDonagh ... despite the successes, I didn't think Martin was all that successful a coach in Montreal ... the team played rope-a-dope style that would have made Muhammad Ali proud, but I thought Jaroslav Halak was the main reason the team got away with it ... as for Chicago, someone told me this morning that the president of the Black Hawks said that they continually build around their core players ... interesting, but since his arrival with the Hawks, Marian Hossa hasn't missed the playoffs (hockeydb.com) ... bringing him in was just an excellent move, because it gave that future core a bonafide star veteran presence in the dressing room ... I think that signing in 2009 was the best thing Chicago could have done moving forward and it's still paying off for them today ... it turned out better than us bringing Scott Gomez in, anyway ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 16, 2015 12:14:37 GMT -5
There really isn't much difference between say the top 10 teams in the league. Often the Cup winner is determined by injuries. Sure, Oduya was hurt. It also seems Kruger and Versteeg were playing hurt. Nothing about Toews or Kane or Keith or Seabrook. Injuries to those guys would have spelled doom to the Hawks much like the injury to Johnson killed the Lightning.
I too was surprised by some of Cooper's decisions in the series. Not playing Stamkos a lot more, playing Paquette a ton, playing Bishop instead of Vas. These are all really conservative moves and not at all in character. Did he fall prey to Therrienitis?
All in all it was an interesting set of playoffs. We still have to figure out way past Tampa. I don't subscribe to the belief we were close in that series. They had their way with us until they were up 3 and took their foot off the gas. We were also lucky against Ottawa. If Anderson had started from game 1, we'd probably be singing a different tune today. Lots of work to do before October. Defense and goal are set. Fix the forwards, especially centre.
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Post by franko on Jun 16, 2015 13:18:29 GMT -5
I felt the organization took several steps back under Paul Martin ... Paul Martin gets blamed for a lot, and a lot of Canadi ans don't like him . . . but you go too far in blaming him for the Habs woes!!! hmmm . . . methinks you mean Jacques Martin  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 16, 2015 13:36:26 GMT -5
I felt the organization took several steps back under Paul Martin ... Paul Martin gets blamed for a lot, and a lot of Canadi ans don't like him . . . but you go too far in blaming him for the Habs woes!!! hmmm . . . methinks you mean Jacques Martin Been writing exams for new equipment all day ... just not focusing on HabsRus as much as I am for work stuff ... thanks ... Cheers. |
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Post by PTH on Jun 16, 2015 17:11:13 GMT -5
I too was surprised by some of Cooper's decisions in the series. Not playing Stamkos a lot more, playing Paquette a ton, playing Bishop instead of Vas. These are all really conservative moves and not at all in character. There are often explanations for strange decisions: getting Stamkos away from a certain checker, for example (not saying that's the explanation, just that there can be many possibilities, and coaches don't feel the need to mention them to the public) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 21:41:20 GMT -5
I too was surprised by some of Cooper's decisions in the series. Not playing Stamkos a lot more, playing Paquette a ton, playing Bishop instead of Vas. These are all really conservative moves and not at all in character. There are often explanations for strange decisions: getting Stamkos away from a certain checker, for example (not saying that's the explanation, just that there can be many possibilities, and coaches don't feel the need to mention them to the public) Stamkos buries those two chances he had, we'd be talking about a Game 7, or at least an overtime in Game 6. His shot on the post was perfectly placed, and he tried to out-wait Crawford who didn't budge. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 17, 2015 2:03:33 GMT -5
I too was surprised by some of Cooper's decisions in the series. Not playing Stamkos a lot more, playing Paquette a ton, playing Bishop instead of Vas. These are all really conservative moves and not at all in character. There are often explanations for strange decisions: getting Stamkos away from a certain checker, for example (not saying that's the explanation, just that there can be many possibilities, and coaches don't feel the need to mention them to the public) Yup and sometimes the game takes you in directions you don't expect. Not criticizing Cooper, but it's odd. Maybe with Johnson's injury, Cooper couldn't play the game he wanted, but they were successful all year by not being conservative. Maybe Chicago forced them into that kind of game? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 17, 2015 18:59:43 GMT -5
Ooops! |
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Post by blny on Jun 17, 2015 19:17:46 GMT -5
Korean newspaper lol
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Post by jkr on Jun 18, 2015 8:54:43 GMT -5
The story is right - it's there in the first two lines. It's the headline writer that doesn't know what they are doing. |
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