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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 26, 2015 21:06:01 GMT -5
They wanted him they had his name on a jersey... a number of other teams did not have any name on the jersey. Also they saw lots of this guy because of Scherbak.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 26, 2015 21:07:02 GMT -5
A defenseman? Bergevin , did you not watch the last three month of the season? I'm ho-hum with the pick. He was likely their BPA. Berg and MT like character, and if they felt Sprong didn't have it ... Jansen Harkins? ... He oozes character. What ticks me off, is that even though this is considered a deep draft, I keep reading that after the top two defensemen, this draft drops off dramatically on the back end. And what do we do? Pick a defenseman, the crap shoot position of the draft |
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2015 21:08:19 GMT -5
Islanders swap 2 seconds to get the 28th from Tampa. Someone available that they didn't think would be. Kylington, Sprong?
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2015 21:10:13 GMT -5
I'm ho-hum with the pick. He was likely their BPA. Berg and MT like character, and if they felt Sprong didn't have it ... Jansen Harkins? ... He oozes character. What ticks me off, is that even though this is considered a deep draft, I keep reading that after the top two defensemen, this draft drops off dramatically on the back end. And what do we do? Pick a defenseman, the crap shoot position of the draft What can I say? There's a slew of teams that have passed on him. Whether it's his game, his interviews, whatever, teams have passed. |
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2015 21:10:56 GMT -5
Leafs and Blue Jackets are chatting.
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2015 21:11:50 GMT -5
Islanders grab Beauvilier with the pick.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 26, 2015 21:12:31 GMT -5
They wanted him they had his name on a jersey... a number of other teams did not have any name on the jersey. Also they saw lots of this guy because of Scherbak. There was a draft report one year on Montreal, that showed they do up a name plate for everyone (well everyone they believe is likely available) and when they have their pick finalized it gets quickly attached ... I wouldn't read anything into the name being on the jersey ... It's just another thing Montreal does that makes them the classiest organization |
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2015 21:14:40 GMT -5
Leafs trade 29 to CBJ for 34 and 68. They'd just acquired that pick from Flyers for the 24th. They've picked up 3 second round picks.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 26, 2015 21:15:02 GMT -5
Jansen Harkins? ... He oozes character. What ticks me off, is that even though this is considered a deep draft, I keep reading that after the top two defensemen, this draft drops off dramatically on the back end. And what do we do? Pick a defenseman, the crap shoot position of the draft What can I say? There's a slew of teams that have passed on him. Whether it's his game, his interviews, whatever, teams have passed. But that's a terrible arguement ... Just as many teams passed on Juulsen |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 26, 2015 21:17:35 GMT -5
They wanted him they had his name on a jersey... a number of other teams did not have any name on the jersey. Also they saw lots of this guy because of Scherbak. There was a draft report one year on Montreal, that showed they do up a name plate for everyone (well everyone they believe is likely available) and when they have their pick finalized it gets quickly attached ... I wouldn't read anything into the name being on the jersey ... It's just another thing Montreal does that makes them the classiest organization Cool I did not know that. I'm sure they saw lots of this kid anyways. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 26, 2015 21:18:19 GMT -5
Another Right defenseman. Skilly, are you ready to jump off a bridge? Noah Juulson. Was just on Twitter and Nikita Scherbak is pretty happy about the Habs selecting his teammate ... I really thought he'd go after some scoring ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2015 21:20:08 GMT -5
What can I say? There's a slew of teams that have passed on him. Whether it's his game, his interviews, whatever, teams have passed. But that's a terrible arguement ... Just as many teams passed on Juulsen Says you. You scout, you rank, you interview. They did all that, and had Juulsen higher. That's not an argument. It's a fact. There are plenty of teams that need goals, and they all passed on him. He's not the only first rounder type to fall out of the first. Kylington is falling like a stone. So much so that other Swedish peers are going ahead of him. We, as fans, simply don't have access to all the things teams do. Would I have preferred scoring? Sure, but I'm not in on the decision process. I don't have all the info. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 26, 2015 21:24:37 GMT -5
Juulsen is a solid pick. A guy whose stock really quietly grew the second half of the season.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 26, 2015 21:25:17 GMT -5
But that's a terrible arguement ... Just as many teams passed on Juulsen Says you. You scout, you rank, you interview. They did all that, and had Juulsen higher. That's not an argument. It's a fact. There are plenty of teams that need goals, and they all passed on him. He's not the only first rounder type to fall out of the first. Kylington is falling like a stone. So much so that other Swedish peers are going ahead of him. We, as fans, simply don't have access to all the things teams do. Would I have preferred scoring? Sure, but I'm not in on the decision process. I don't have all the info. I'm not arguing that the Habs had Juulson higher. You said they go after character, and surmised that other teams passed on Harkins so it's just not the Habs passing. Other teams that wanted defenseman passed on Juulson too. The fact teams are passing shouldn't come into it. If Bergevin feels the Habs should pick their BPA regardless if they need him, then I disagree with that philosophy. Especially in a draft that is deep in forwards, not so much on defensemen. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 26, 2015 21:26:22 GMT -5
But that's a terrible arguement ... Just as many teams passed on Juulsen Says you. You scout, you rank, you interview. They did all that, and had Juulsen higher. That's not an argument. It's a fact. There are plenty of teams that need goals, and they all passed on him. He's not the only first rounder type to fall out of the first. Kylington is falling like a stone. So much so that other Swedish peers are going ahead of him. We, as fans, simply don't have access to all the things teams do. Would I have preferred scoring? Sure, but I'm not in on the decision process. I don't have all the info. Kylington just does not the hockey IQ to back up his world class skating. |
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Post by franko on Jun 26, 2015 21:26:55 GMT -5
wish the Sens had taken Carlsson just to mess up the announcers.
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Post by franko on Jun 26, 2015 21:28:37 GMT -5
I'm ho-hum with the pick. He was likely their BPA. Berg and MT like character, and if they felt Sprong didn't have it ... Jansen Harkins? ... He oozes character. What ticks me off, is that even though this is considered a deep draft, I keep reading that after the top two defensemen, this draft drops off dramatically on the back end. And what do we do? Pick a defenseman, the crap shoot position of the draft MBs MO. from the back end out. maybe some year he'll get to the "out" |
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Post by franko on Jun 26, 2015 21:29:18 GMT -5
at least he isn't a smurf
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jun 26, 2015 21:31:33 GMT -5
Seems like a safe pick. Juulsen skates well. Moves the puck well. Hits. Saw him a couple of times watching Scherbak. Never noticed the big shot that's been mentioned but maybe some upside offensively  Well we needed some defensive depth, got some...now get us some 2nd round picks please!! |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 26, 2015 21:33:06 GMT -5
Says you. You scout, you rank, you interview. They did all that, and had Juulsen higher. That's not an argument. It's a fact. There are plenty of teams that need goals, and they all passed on him. He's not the only first rounder type to fall out of the first. Kylington is falling like a stone. So much so that other Swedish peers are going ahead of him. We, as fans, simply don't have access to all the things teams do. Would I have preferred scoring? Sure, but I'm not in on the decision process. I don't have all the info. Kylington just does not the hockey IQ to back up his world class skating. That's the knock against Juulsen too ... That he over thinks what he has to do. Sounds like Tinordi-lite, but the TSN comparable was Kevin Bieksa |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 26, 2015 21:36:13 GMT -5
Jansen Harkins? ... He oozes character. What ticks me off, is that even though this is considered a deep draft, I keep reading that after the top two defensemen, this draft drops off dramatically on the back end. And what do we do? Pick a defenseman, the crap shoot position of the draft MBs MO. from the back end out. maybe some year he'll get to the "out" Well in his defense, he did select Galchenyuk (there was no work done on that!) , and Sherbak. Just they don't seem to play them properly, or give the opportunities to succeed. I was really disappointed that Sherbak didn't get a chance in the playoffs with a sputtering offence. |
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Post by habsask on Jun 26, 2015 21:37:21 GMT -5
Says you. You scout, you rank, you interview. They did all that, and had Juulsen higher. That's not an argument. It's a fact. There are plenty of teams that need goals, and they all passed on him. He's not the only first rounder type to fall out of the first. Kylington is falling like a stone. So much so that other Swedish peers are going ahead of him. We, as fans, simply don't have access to all the things teams do. Would I have preferred scoring? Sure, but I'm not in on the decision process. I don't have all the info. I'm not arguing that the Habs had Juulson higher. You said they go after character, and surmised that other teams passed on Harkins so it's just not the Habs passing. Other teams that wanted defenseman passed on Juulson too. The fact teams are passing shouldn't come into it. If Bergevin feels the Habs should pick their BPA regardless if they need him, then I disagree with that philosophy. Especially in a draft that is deep in forwards, not so much on defensemen. I essentially agree with blny- they went with who they thought was the BPA rather than, in their minds, 'reaching'. Skilly, just to clarify, are you saying that the Habs should have gone with a forward they had ranked lower then Juulsen (i.e. a 'reach' in their minds)or are you saying that their ranking of BPA was wrong & that available forwards were better or at least as good? Of course time will tell whether this was a wise pick or not. Cheers |
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Post by Disp on Jun 26, 2015 21:38:32 GMT -5
Seems like a solid pick. Obviously they felt he was the bpa. D isn't a pressing need, but things can change pretty quick. And if they don't, and this guy Is a player, well, it's not that hard to move quality dmen.
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Post by PTH on Jun 26, 2015 21:42:07 GMT -5
Leafs trade 29 to CBJ for 34 and 68. They'd just acquired that pick from Flyers for the 24th. They've picked up 3 second round picks. Most impressive: they moved one first for two seconds and two thirds. I'd have rather the Habs done that, though I'm sure they picked the BPA in their mind, I'd rather have 4 shots at the can than just one. |
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2015 21:46:40 GMT -5
Juulsen went from 10 points in his rookie season to 59 points this year. Lots of young defenders try to do too much. Heck PK does that sometimes still. Good size, strong skater, really hard shot, effective puck mover. Might not be sexy, but it's hard to argue against having as many d as possible that can move the puck. Look at the flames group now: Gio, Hamilton, Brodie, Wideman. I don't think Juulsen is a Tinordi type at all. He's not a bruiser.
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2015 21:47:40 GMT -5
“We really wanted Juulsen, we feel we're lucky that other teams didn't draft him before us.” -MB
“Martin Lapointe had great feedbacks on Juulsen when he went to Everett to see Scherbak.” MB
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 26, 2015 21:50:09 GMT -5
Kylington just does not the hockey IQ to back up his world class skating. That's the knock against Juulsen too ... That he over thinks what he has to do. Sounds like Tinordi-lite, but the TSN comparable was Kevin Bieksa McD light perhaps. We can only hope. He is a very solid two way guy in the league that can develop pretty good Dmen. They passed on Roy, so they must quite like him. Knew they were interested in him, same with Roslovik. I like this pick. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 26, 2015 21:51:03 GMT -5
Juulsen went from 10 points in his rookie season to 59 points this year. Lots of young defenders try to do too much. Heck PK does that sometimes still. Good size, strong skater, really hard shot, effective puck mover. Might not be sexy, but it's hard to argue against having as many d as possible that can move the puck. Look at the flames group now: Gio, Hamilton, Brodie, Wideman. I don't think Juulsen is a Tinordi type at all. He's not a bruiser. Tinordi-lite .... Gets down on himself for over thinking and is only 170 lbs!! Sure he is young, sure he got room to grow, but he isn't putting on 40 lbs to move the front of the net. He has third pairing written all over him, maybe a 4th D in the right environment. if that's the BPA in the first round? Yikes. Sure this is my own personal evaluation, I'll keep my eyes on him, and eat crow if I'm wrong |
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2015 21:55:51 GMT -5
How much does Karlsson weigh? How much did Nate weigh when he was drafted? Nate plays now at under 200. I'm not saying that Juulsen is either player. He's got the frame to play at 195 and play as a pmd.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 26, 2015 21:57:36 GMT -5
Juulsen is a solid pick. A guy whose stock really quietly grew the second half of the season. Well, Marc Bergevin did say he wanted to build the team for the long haul and this selection sort of supports that ... Noah Juulsen is a big, puck-moving defenseman with a great shot ... hope he fairs better than Magnus Nygren ... Bergevin also said he liked what he had heard on Juulsen from Martin Lapointe ... would still like to know how he's going to address scoring ... Cheers. |
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