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Post by Disp on Jun 26, 2015 21:58:06 GMT -5
If he was "sexier" he wouldn't have been available to us.
He'd be a sexy pick any other year than this one.
It's all hype anyways, a lot of the supposed sexy picks aren't going to make it.
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Post by habsask on Jun 26, 2015 21:59:41 GMT -5
Kylington just does not the hockey IQ to back up his world class skating. That's the knock against Juulsen too ... That he over thinks what he has to do. Sounds like Tinordi-lite, but the TSN comparable was Kevin Bieksa Not quite the same IMO. Not having a hockey IQ sounds pretty unfixable while over-thinking may, or may not, be cleared up by coaching and experience. After all at this stage these are only kids. Only time will tell but a bit early at present to pass judgement based on some vague generalized comments by talking heads. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 26, 2015 22:00:08 GMT -5
How much does Karlsson weigh? How much did Nate weigh when he was drafted? Nate plays now at under 200. I'm not saying that Juulsen is either player. He's got the frame to play at 195 and play as a pmd. Are you comparing Juulsen to Karlsson? What I mean, is do you believe MB expects Juulsen to score 70-80 points and be a perennial Norris candidate based solely on offence? Because Karlsson proves my point, he is 180 lbs and doesn't play defense, nor short handed minutes because he can't clear the crease. |
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2015 22:01:20 GMT -5
If he was "sexier" he wouldn't have been available to us. He'd be a sexy pick any other year than this one. It's all hype anyways, a lot of the supposed sexy picks aren't going to make it. You're right. When you get out of the top 5 (even), the chances of actually making it and living up to your selection drops off dramatically. There will be late picks that make it. There will be undrafted players this year that make it. Law of averages. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 26, 2015 22:01:20 GMT -5
That's the knock against Juulsen too ... That he over thinks what he has to do. Sounds like Tinordi-lite, but the TSN comparable was Kevin Bieksa Not quite the same IMO. Not having a hockey IQ sounds pretty unfixable while over-thinking may, or may not, be cleared up by coaching and experience. After all at this stage these are only kids. Only time will tell but a bit early at present to pass judgement based on some vague generalized comments by talking heads. True , now ask the majority of posters if they think we have the coaches to do that.  |
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2015 22:07:01 GMT -5
How much does Karlsson weigh? How much did Nate weigh when he was drafted? Nate plays now at under 200. I'm not saying that Juulsen is either player. He's got the frame to play at 195 and play as a pmd. Are you comparing Juulsen to Karlsson? What I mean, is do you believe MB expects Juulsen to score 70-80 points and be a perennial Norris candidate based solely on offence? Because Karlsson proves my point, he is 180 lbs and doesn't play defense, nor short handed minutes because he can't clear the crease. Reread my post. If he makes it, by that time, there's no telling who his potential partner might be. If he were to make it by 23, Petry's contract is up, Markov is long retired. We don't know where Tinner and Beau will be at that time. No reason to think he couldn't be paired with a net presence type. One guy protects the crease, the other uses their legs. Of all the defensemen taken in the first, few are the net presence bruiser - if any. It's about skating, moving the puck efficiently. Get the puck out so you don't have to 'post up' in front of your goalie. That's the type of player Juulsen is now at CHL level. We'll see if he can be that sort of player at the NHL level. |
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Post by habsask on Jun 26, 2015 22:14:45 GMT -5
Not quite the same IMO. Not having a hockey IQ sounds pretty unfixable while over-thinking may, or may not, be cleared up by coaching and experience. After all at this stage these are only kids. Only time will tell but a bit early at present to pass judgement based on some vague generalized comments by talking heads. True , now ask the majority of posters if they think we have the coaches to do that. Hah! You probably are right on that one. I'm not so sure myself. I sometimes wonder if MT's tough love approach destroys confidence instead of building it. Some kids just need to play- look at Beaulieu! IMO MT should not a use a 'one approach fits all' with prospects. PK you could use tough love with because there was no way he wasn't confident. Other kids- Tinordi comes to mind- you wonder. Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2015 22:15:28 GMT -5
Noah's the youngest defender on the team (that played more than ten games). He was second in +/- behind Scherbak. Top scoring defender on the team with 52 points, not the 59 I said before. All positives, and again I like the huge improvement in his output in his second year.
NWT, did this player make it into your scouting reports? Can't remember.
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2015 22:17:11 GMT -5
Noah Juulsen, D Everett (WHL): Another case of a player who likely was heavily scouted by the Habs while keeping tabs on Scherbak. Juulsen in not know at being the top of his class at any one thing, but is seen a very complete defenseman who projects to have a good pro upside. I see him as sniffing around the end of the first and start of the second round, so if the Habs are thinking solid defender, he may be on their radar screen. Nice job dude.  |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 26, 2015 22:17:23 GMT -5
Skilly, I swear that BC is actually a closet mole and reports to Bergevin exactly what you think we need and then he does the opposite, deliberately, just to tick you off. It's a conspiracy I tell you. BC does the same thing to me regarding Therrien.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 26, 2015 22:23:39 GMT -5
Noah's the youngest defender on the team (that played more than ten games). He was second in +/- behind Scherbak. Top scoring defender on the team with 52 points, not the 59 I said before. All positives, and again I like the huge improvement in his output in his second year. NWT, did this player make it into your scouting reports? Can't remember. Yes, for sure. I see you found it! |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 26, 2015 22:34:39 GMT -5
Skilly, I swear that BC is actually a closet mole and reports to Bergevin exactly what you think we need and then he does the opposite, deliberately, just to tick you off. It's a conspiracy I tell you. BC does the same thing to me regarding Therrien. I have had this same thought many times ... Lol |
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Post by folatre on Jun 26, 2015 22:38:41 GMT -5
This is very late round one. I cannot argue too much with the decision. The window for the current edition of the Habs is 2-4 years so this particular kid at #26 will not impact significantly this.
I think Bergevin does, however, need this season or next season to pay assets to get a legit line 1/line 2 centre, assuming the organisation also intends to play Galchy there.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 27, 2015 3:39:01 GMT -5
Noah Juulsen, D Everett (WHL): Another case of a player who likely was heavily scouted by the Habs while keeping tabs on Scherbak. Juulsen in not know at being the top of his class at any one thing, but is seen a very complete defenseman who projects to have a good pro upside. I see him as sniffing around the end of the first and start of the second round, so if the Habs are thinking solid defender, he may be on their radar screen. Nice job dude. Sometimes you get lucky from you couch lol when you pick a lot of names. I really wanted a few guys that went earlier, but knew they could head this way once a few other likely targets were drafted. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 27, 2015 6:22:36 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Jun 27, 2015 6:32:38 GMT -5
Is it just me or is anybody else tired of seeing Katz up there with his kid every year. Usually the draftee poses with the coaches/scouts who picked him. Katz's son jumps in there right next to McDavid for the 1st pic.  |
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Post by 24in93 on Jun 27, 2015 6:55:31 GMT -5
Is it just me or is anybody else tired of seeing Katz up there with his kid every year. Usually the draftee poses with the coaches/scouts who picked him. Katz's son jumps in there right next to McDavid for the 1st pic. I thought this as well. We've watched Katz' kid grow up with all these 1st overall picks. He seems to have sprouted up a lot since Yakupov. MacT front and center as well despite no longer being GM. I guess he's more responsible for the high pick than Chiarelli. |
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 27, 2015 9:35:10 GMT -5
Skilly, I swear that BC is actually a closet mole and reports to Bergevin exactly what you think we need and then he does the opposite, deliberately, just to tick you off. It's a conspiracy I tell you. BC does the same thing to me regarding Therrien. I have had this same thought many times ... Lol |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 27, 2015 10:49:36 GMT -5
Lukas Vejdemo. Big Swedish two way centre. Passed over last year, but likely the best junior league guy in Sweden last year. Never heard of him, TT strikes again.
87th overall, third round.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 27, 2015 10:53:10 GMT -5
Even hockey.db has almost nothing on him. Mystery man.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 27, 2015 10:56:15 GMT -5
Put up lots of points in the junior league. Big, smooth skating centre.
TT seems to always go off the charts at least once a draft!
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 27, 2015 12:08:14 GMT -5
Matthew Bradley, centre, Medicine Hat. 131st overall. Good two way centre who has some offensive upside. Didn't put up big numbers in the Dub.
Another kid I will get to see next year live when the Tigers come to town.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 27, 2015 12:11:15 GMT -5
Simon Bourque, D, Rimouski with 177th pick.
Really surprised he lasted this long. I had him as one of my targets with the third round pick. Read some pretty good things about his game.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 27, 2015 12:21:24 GMT -5
I think a running thread through our recent picks has been a high Hockey IQ. That could be spreading through the league as it would explain why Kylington dropped so badly. I picked up recently that his (Kylington's) name is pronounced Shillington. If Swedes could only learn to spell. . The draft reminds me of high school grad ceremonies. 85% of the kids say they're off to college or university the next year, when in fact it's usually 15%. At the draft 90% of the teams say, "I can't believe he was still there for our pick". Both groups are unrealistic. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 27, 2015 12:38:03 GMT -5
Jeremiah Addison, LW, Ottawa with the 207th pick. We needed a prospect from the OHL lol.
An aggressive forechecking, north south guy who turned up his offensive game in the OHL playoffs for Ottawa.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 27, 2015 13:17:53 GMT -5
Now we begin the doldrums of summer. Two and a half months of snoozing, yearning for a scorer and praying for a better zone clearance system. Two of those three will likely remain unfulfilled and we'll be rehashing many of the same issues come late September. Oh well, it keeps us hoping for something better the following day.
PS. I'm not really looking forward to FA day this week as we're not likely to pursue anyone, being up against the cap like we are, and in any case, there's no one I'd want to chase anyway, from this year's crop.
Don't have too relaxing a vacation, Marc.
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Post by blny on Jun 27, 2015 13:54:13 GMT -5
I agree, won't likely be anyone of substance targeted on UFA day. Still in running for Sharp. Still could move/but out a couple of pieces. Can always wonder if ground work was laid for moving PAP or Emelin. Certain to get more for them if it can be done before acquiring someone for top6.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 27, 2015 13:59:07 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jun 27, 2015 14:00:19 GMT -5
I looked online earlier to find out where Bittner went (38th overall to Columbus) and found this piece. Three players singled out as being potential busts. Crouse and Bittner top the list. thehockeywriters.com/3-potential-busts-in-the-2015-nhl-draft/Concerns in the piece echo sentiment I mentioned earlier. Calling it the "Jason Ward" something or other, I'm concerned about both players ability to translate offensively to the NHL level. Especially Crouse. To me, he represents a 1990s style pick. Let's draft a guy who's brawny and puts up okay numbers in the hopes that he can do the same against men. Rarely works imo. I think Bittner has a chance to be someone similar to RJ Umberger, which is why I'm not surprised that the Jackets took him. |
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jun 27, 2015 15:13:25 GMT -5
Lukas Vejdemo. Big Swedish two way centre. Passed over last year, but likely the best junior league guy in Sweden last year. Never heard of him, TT strikes again. 87th overall, third round. Seems Trevor Timmins loves what he seen in this guy. High Character lots of offensive upside, can't beleive he was still there when he was type stuff.... I'm very intrigued. Pretty good draft I think...if this guy turns out as advertised It could be great. Juulsen seems like a pretty good bet to be playing top4 defense while Bradley, Bourque and Addison seem like decent bottom 6 or bottom pairing types..now it's about patience and maybe alittle luck..see you in 3,4 or 5 years |
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