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Post by seventeen on May 18, 2017 19:42:47 GMT -5
I believe the refs are using a 10:1 ratio. For every 10 calls one could make against Anaheim, you call 1 penalty. I could call an interference penalty on every Duck shift.
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Post by jkr on May 18, 2017 19:48:54 GMT -5
1-0 Ducks after one. Have outshot Nashville 14 - 1. Pretty poor effort for such an important game.
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Post by seventeen on May 18, 2017 20:38:40 GMT -5
Rinne has been less than good. Bad angles on both goals.
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Post by CentreHice on May 18, 2017 22:47:35 GMT -5
I believe the refs are using a 10:1 ratio. For every 10 calls one could make against Anaheim, you call 1 penalty. I could call an interference penalty on every Duck shift. No kidding...two blatant interference non-calls in the first minute. They were allowed to TACKLE at some points in the game. Finally bit them in the third... I don't want them to win the Cup...but if they're allowed to play like that, they just might. Not a aupporter of that brand of hockey. And neither is the NHL rule book, if enforced. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 19, 2017 3:28:14 GMT -5
We might get a repeat of the 2007 cup final... I hope not... that means trap hockey vs clutch and grab hockey.
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Post by blny on May 19, 2017 5:24:57 GMT -5
Rinne has been less than good. Bad angles on both goals. He made up for it in the third. Tough break on the OT goal. Subban's ring around got missed by his team mate and PK really couldn't get back and set before the shot to the net. He makes a desperation-like play, and it deflects off his stick and goes in. |
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Post by jkr on May 19, 2017 8:10:07 GMT -5
Rinne has been less than good. Bad angles on both goals. Just saw the replays. Looks like the 2nd goal hit Josi before it went in. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 8:57:07 GMT -5
Rinne's been lights out. I think he can be afforded an off night.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 19, 2017 16:32:16 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on May 19, 2017 17:11:39 GMT -5
And yet, no one mentions all the slashing that Nashville did that went uncalled (Nashville had a 5 on 3 because of 2 slashes that got called on the Ducks) AND the tying goal by Forsberg the Ducks defenseman was cross checked from behind , behind the net.
You can tell who people are cheering yor just by listening yo how they complain about the refs .... The NHL refereeing is by far the worst of all sports. Gary Betteman loves the fact every game fans blame the refs, it keeps them interested and gives them a scapegoat.
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Post by CentreHice on May 19, 2017 18:23:34 GMT -5
And yet, no one mentions all the slashing that Nashville did that went uncalled (Nashville had a 5 on 3 because of 2 slashes that got called on the Ducks) AND the tying goal by Forsberg the Ducks defenseman was cross checked from behind , behind the net. You can tell who people are cheering yor just by listening yo how they complain about the refs .... The NHL refereeing is by far the worst of all sports. Gary Betteman loves the fact every game fans blame the refs, it keeps them interested and gives them a scapegoat. If the refs aren't going to call it, what other choice do you have but to fight back? The Ducks are the instigators....no question in my mind. Kesler, Getzlaf, Perry, Bieksa...are all laying on the lumber... Now Johansen is out for the remainder of the season...thigh surgery. Don't know how it happened... That's a huge blow for the Preds... |
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Post by blny on May 19, 2017 22:21:22 GMT -5
Johansen injury was an accident. He tried to hit Montour, and as they came together Montour's right knee when into Johansen's left thigh. The play occurred in the second, he played out the game, suffered dramatic swelling over night. He suffered compartment syndrome. The emergency surgery was required to save the affected muscle.
Fisher is also apparently concussed.
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Post by CentreHice on May 19, 2017 23:34:22 GMT -5
Thanks, blny.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 20, 2017 1:14:58 GMT -5
Johansen injury was an accident. He tried to hit Montour, and as they came together Montour's right knee when into Johansen's left thigh. The play occurred in the second, he played out the game, suffered dramatic swelling over night. He suffered compartment syndrome. The emergency surgery was required to save the affected muscle. Fisher is also apparently concussed. Wow that is a tough break for the preds... |
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Post by Skilly on May 20, 2017 8:38:54 GMT -5
And again to highlight the "hit everything that moves syndrome" is not just a Duck tactic, last night a Penguin was highsticked, put his hand to his face as he went into the corner and Bobby Ryan absolutely creamed a defenceless player who didn't have possession of the puck. No highsticking penalty, no charging penalty, no penalty whatsoever.
So far in these semi-finals I've seen Karlsson, Getzlaf, Crosby, and Fischer all tear strips off the refs ... It's not one team, it's an epidemic.
There are two rule books in the NHL, unfortunately the second book is unwritten. This leaves the Habs at a conundrum. We don't have the players to score in bunches and out skate teams, and we do not have the players to win the dirty slash hack cross check game.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 20, 2017 9:55:57 GMT -5
We are down to the league semis, these are supposed to be the best of the best refs.
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Post by blny on May 20, 2017 10:51:31 GMT -5
Heard a good quote from Ray Ferraro today, doing Canada's come from behind 4-2 win over Russia in the semis. Essentially, he said while the IIHF calls a tighter game, it's at least consistent. Yes, there have been fundamental misses at the IIHF worlds, but when it comes to penalties you know what you're gonna get and it's rare to see one IIHF ref call a game dramatically different than the next. To me, that's a not-so-subtle dig at the NHL.
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Post by seventeen on May 20, 2017 12:10:13 GMT -5
I don't think the refs are that bad. I think they've been 'advised' to let a lot of things go. NOt only does it endanger players, it also makes for a slower, less artistic game. Unfortunately, the owners subscribe to the "Gladiator" school of thought.
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Post by CentreHice on May 20, 2017 13:43:16 GMT -5
And again to highlight the "hit everything that moves syndrome" is not just a Duck tactic, last night a Penguin was highsticked, put his hand to his face as he went into the corner and Bobby Ryan absolutely creamed a defenceless player who didn't have possession of the puck. No highsticking penalty, no charging penalty, no penalty whatsoever. So far in these semi-finals I've seen Karlsson, Getzlaf, Crosby, and Fischer all tear strips off the refs ... It's not one team, it's an epidemic. There are two rule books in the NHL, unfortunately the second book is unwritten. This leaves the Habs at a conundrum. We don't have the players to score in bunches and out skate teams, and we do not have the players to win the dirty slash hack cross check game. There's no way to combat/plan for dualistic officiating. Getzlaf, Kesler, and Perry are highly-skilled players....but they decided to go postal on the Preds because they knew they'd lose otherwise. Ryan Johansen, after Game 2, on Kesler's antics. “He just blows my mind, I don’t know what’s going through his head out there,” Johansen said after the Predators’ Game 2 loss. “His family and friends watching him play, I don’t know how you cheer for a guy like that. It just doesn’t make sense how he plays the game. I’m just trying to go out there and play hockey, and it sucks when you have to pull a stick out of your groin after every shift.”It's no-holds-barred in Round 3. I don't recall this kind of dirt in the first two rounds....likely because it was being called a la the regular season. |
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Post by jkr on May 20, 2017 15:32:39 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on May 20, 2017 16:16:35 GMT -5
I was going to post the same thing. The answer is obvious. Getzlaff gets suspended, Ducks could lose the next game and then the series. League wants the Ducks in the Finals.
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Post by blny on May 20, 2017 16:43:18 GMT -5
I don't think the refs are that bad. I think they've been 'advised' to let a lot of things go. NOt only does it endanger players, it also makes for a slower, less artistic game. Unfortunately, the owners subscribe to the "Gladiator" school of thought. Agreed. They're simply following the mandate they're given. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 20, 2017 17:28:33 GMT -5
I don't think the refs are that bad. I think they've been 'advised' to let a lot of things go. NOt only does it endanger players, it also makes for a slower, less artistic game. Unfortunately, the owners subscribe to the "Gladiator" school of thought. Agreed. They're simply following the mandate they're given. The National HACKey League.... I know NHL thuggery is as old as Eddie Shore and Conn Smythe at the very least...and I know the stakes are higher, so you have to do whatever it takes to win the Cup. BUT...if "whatever it takes" is against the rules...and it's not only allowed, but likely mandated...then the league is a joke. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 20, 2017 21:02:54 GMT -5
Gusty, gusty effort from the Preds. 3-1 empty net.
EDIT: With 20 seconds left, the far ref calls Subban for roughing...while Montour isn't called for hauling down Arvidson on the same play.
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Post by seventeen on May 20, 2017 21:08:19 GMT -5
Can't believe they won with that line-up at centre. Rinne played really well and they stuck together. The Ducks show their lack of discipline and their lack of class with that crap at the end of the game. Perry showing his stripes. Ritchie as well, going after Ekholm.
Eleven down, 5 to go.
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Post by jkr on May 20, 2017 21:15:02 GMT -5
They don't come much more "old school" than Carlyle. Why do teams think some pushing & shoving when a game is out of reach means anything?  |
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Post by blny on May 20, 2017 21:24:25 GMT -5
They don't come much more "old school" than Carlyle. Why do teams think some pushing & shoving when a game is out of reach means anything? Gooning it up inside 20 seconds. If I'm a ref it's, "next gloved punch is a match penalty". Enjoy watching the next one from the press box. Bernier came in part way through after a lbi to Gibson. IMO, Bernier was the cause of the second goal. Forsberg got a nice wrist shot on net, but it hits Bernier right in the logo and he can't control it. It bounces down to the ice and Aberg makes a nice play to wrap it around him and into an open net. Bernier has to have that. If Bernier is playing in game 6, everything goes to the net. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 20, 2017 21:25:35 GMT -5
They don't come much more "old school" than Carlyle. Why do teams think some pushing & shoving when a game is out of reach means anything? Has the league ever used Rule 47.22? i.e. player(s) instigating an altercation with under 5:00 remaining being subject to a league review, and perhaps suspended for one game. Not that this incident requires it...but the rule was put there to deter "message-sending" for the next game. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 21, 2017 0:36:15 GMT -5
Can't believe they won with that line-up at centre. Rinne played really well and they stuck together. The Ducks show their lack of discipline and their lack of class with that crap at the end of the game. Perry showing his stripes. Ritchie as well, going after Ekholm. Eleven down, 5 to go. They have no centres, at least anyone that can put up points. That was one gutsy effort. Some of those hits tonight were earth shattering. Wow. The Sens-Pens is a shinny game compared to this. A shinny game with a trapping coach. Yikes. |
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Post by seventeen on May 21, 2017 1:00:11 GMT -5
Lots of pace in that game, too. I wonder if both teams are simply going to be mush by the time one of them makes it to the final. They could be easy pickins for either the Pens or the Sens.
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