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Post by Willie Dog on May 21, 2017 2:51:28 GMT -5
I was going to post the same thing. The answer is obvious. Getzlaff gets suspended, Ducks could lose the next game and then the series. League wants the Ducks in the Finals. Makes no sense... of the 4 cities left in the conference finals Nashville has the highest national exposure being Music City... if the Preds win the cup they could put up bill boards all over Nashville and get all sorts of exposure for the league considering the number of people who go to Nashville for vacation/holidays. But who knows what the NFL wants... |
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Post by Skilly on May 21, 2017 9:26:15 GMT -5
They don't come much more "old school" than Carlyle. Why do teams think some pushing & shoving when a game is out of reach means anything?  Has the league ever used Rule 47.22? i.e. player(s) instigating an altercation with under 5:00 remaining being subject to a league review, and perhaps suspended for one game. Not that this incident requires it...but the rule was put there to deter "message-sending" for the next game. Yes. Last time I remember it being applied was Game 3 of the Pittsburgh-Philly series in 2012. (Unsure if it has been called since, i might check when I get a chance). Craig Adams was suspended 1 game and Dan Blysma fined $10,000 when Adams instigated (was third man in) a scuffle, when Crosby and Hartnell were engaged in a tussle at 15:18 of the third period. Crosby and Hartnell were not fighting, nor would one have started without Adams getting involved. Of note, this rule also applies to any instigating penalty in overtime as well EDIT- Max Domi was suspended 1 game for instigating a fight with Garbutt in the final 5 mins March 2016 EDIT2 - Now here is one for you. 2015 playoffs, Vancouver - Calgary series. Alex Burrows, Creams Johnny Gaudreau late in the game, clearly instigates a fight with Kris Russell. Burrows is given an instigator penalty. The next day the NHL announces that Burrows WILL NOT be suspended because he did not violate the spirit of the instigator rule, which was to prevent retribution or message sending. Yep, only in the NHL, can a fight not be "message sending" late in a playoff game. |
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Post by seventeen on May 21, 2017 11:33:36 GMT -5
I was going to post the same thing. The answer is obvious. Getzlaff gets suspended, Ducks could lose the next game and then the series. League wants the Ducks in the Finals. Makes no sense... of the 4 cities left in the conference finals Nashville has the highest national exposure being Music City... if the Preds win the cup they could put up bill boards all over Nashville and get all sorts of exposure for the league considering the number of people who go to Nashville for vacation/holidays. But who knows what the NFL wants... I think it's more of a national exposure thing. The LA and NY markets are always preferred to the tv networks, possibly because of population. |
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Post by blny on May 21, 2017 12:32:55 GMT -5
Agreed. They're simply following the mandate they're given. The National HACKey League.... I know NHL thuggery is as old as Eddie Shore and Conn Smythe at the very least...and I know the stakes are higher, so you have to do whatever it takes to win the Cup. BUT...if "whatever it takes" is against the rules...and it's not only allowed, but likely mandated...then the league is a joke. National Hypocrisy League.  |
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Post by CentreHice on May 21, 2017 15:26:10 GMT -5
The National HACKey League.... I know NHL thuggery is as old as Eddie Shore and Conn Smythe at the very least...and I know the stakes are higher, so you have to do whatever it takes to win the Cup. BUT...if "whatever it takes" is against the rules...and it's not only allowed, but likely mandated...then the league is a joke. National Hypocrisy League. Yep.  Poor HNIC.....Sens down 5-0 early in the second. Got a kick out of Cherry today. He blamed one player for getting in the way of a point shot. "If you're not gonna be on the defenceman...get out of the way! How many times do I have to say it!" Then the next bit of analysis features Hagelin at about the same distance from Karlsson's point shot as the former play...Hagelin blocks it and gets a breakaway. I was wondering what happened to..."Get out of the way....." |
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Post by franko on May 21, 2017 15:56:19 GMT -5
National Hypocrisy League. Yep. Poor HNIC.....Sens down 5-0 early in the second. Got a kick out of Cherry today. He blamed one player for getting in the way of a point shot. "If you're not gonna be on the defenceman...get out of the way! How many times do I have to say it!" Then the next bit of analysis features Hagelin at about the same distance from Karlsson's point shot as the former play...Hagelin blocks it and gets a breakaway. I was wondering what happened to..."Get out of the way....." well, he did say get out of the way or block the shot |
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Post by franko on May 21, 2017 16:32:39 GMT -5
a little difference in the penalty calling between the two series
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Post by CentreHice on May 21, 2017 16:41:14 GMT -5
Yep. Poor HNIC.....Sens down 5-0 early in the second. Got a kick out of Cherry today. He blamed one player for getting in the way of a point shot. "If you're not gonna be on the defenceman...get out of the way! How many times do I have to say it!" Then the next bit of analysis features Hagelin at about the same distance from Karlsson's point shot as the former play...Hagelin blocks it and gets a breakaway. I was wondering what happened to..."Get out of the way....." well, he did say get out of the way or block the shot Yeah...that pretty much covers all the angles....ha! |
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Post by franko on May 21, 2017 16:49:06 GMT -5
well, he did say get out of the way or block the shot Yeah...that pretty much covers all the angles....ha! "like my good buddy Bobby Orr would do . . . " |
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Post by franko on May 21, 2017 16:49:40 GMT -5
so does Wingels get a game?
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Post by CentreHice on May 21, 2017 16:55:48 GMT -5
so does Wingels get a game? Pre-meditated/deliberate head-shot with the elbow. No intent whatsover in going for the puck. Should be automatic. But...it's the NHL. |
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Post by franko on May 21, 2017 18:22:26 GMT -5
so does Wingels get a game? Pre-meditated/deliberate head-shot with the elbow. No intent whatsover in going for the puck. Should be automatic. But... it's the NHL. yup . . . where's that coin? |
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Post by Boston_Habs on May 21, 2017 20:06:02 GMT -5
Read that Getzlaf had a Corsi of 36% when Subban was on the ice.... 83% when he wasn't.
PK is slowly playing himself into Conn Smythe consideration if the Preds go all the way. Hard to think of another player that has been as instrumental in their success. PK has drawn the toughest assignments (shadowing Toews and Getzlaf) while still contributing on the scoresheet. His play has been a sick, sick irony for Habs fans. The exuberant attitude off the ice and the "do whatever it takes" attitude on the ice (sacrificing offense for defense) has been embraced in Nashville. The sad thing is I don't think he's playing any differently in Nashville than he was in Montreal. He's the same guy. The stakes are just higher and he's delivering in a big way.
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Post by jkr on May 21, 2017 20:25:11 GMT -5
BH- if the scenario you describe comes to pass, it will be the 2nd season in a row that a player that is maligned by his own team plays a key role in a Cup win. I am thinking of Kessel. Toronto media kept telling us he was a selfish player, someone you couldn't win with. Sound familiar?
Bergevin & his crew have proven to me that they have no clue. They don't know what it takes to win in today's NHL. I wonder what the players think, watching Nashville now.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 21, 2017 20:50:44 GMT -5
Read that Getzlaf had a Corsi of 36% when Subban was on the ice.... 83% when he wasn't. I generally don't put too much stock into Corsi, but when I see a span like this it's hard to ignore ... He's not the go-to guy in Nashville ... he can if they want him to be, but he's now part of probably the most dynamic defence corps in the league ... I'd like to see PK Subban with a Cup for personal reasons; however, if anyone in Nashville deserves a Cup it's David Poile ... ditto Mike Fisher ... Pittsburgh just served notice against Ottawa, 7-0 ... will be interesting to see how the Senators respond ... Cheers. |
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Post by franko on May 21, 2017 21:37:26 GMT -5
The sad thing is I don't think he's playing any differently in Nashville than he was in Montreal. He's the same guy. I disagree (albeit it's a limited sample size, I'm really not paying all that much attention). He's the #3 d-man not #1; that makes a difference. He isn't rushing up the ice all the time, he is looking to pass and making some nice ones. And he's hitting the net on his shots (and not taking huge wind-ups). that he is. |
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Post by blny on May 21, 2017 21:41:21 GMT -5
Read that Getzlaf had a Corsi of 36% when Subban was on the ice.... 83% when he wasn't. PK is slowly playing himself into Conn Smythe consideration if the Preds go all the way. Hard to think of another player that has been as instrumental in their success. PK has drawn the toughest assignments (shadowing Toews and Getzlaf) while still contributing on the scoresheet. His play has been a sick, sick irony for Habs fans. The exuberant attitude off the ice and the "do whatever it takes" attitude on the ice (sacrificing offense for defense) has been embraced in Nashville. The sad thing is I don't think he's playing any differently in Nashville than he was in Montreal. He's the same guy. The stakes are just higher and he's delivering in a big way. There's a bunch of guys. Rinne has played the best hockey of his life. They're getting excellent performances from PK, Josi and Ellis. Johansen, before the season-ending injury, had been playing very well too. Forsberg has made a consistent impact. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 21, 2017 21:45:01 GMT -5
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Post by blny on May 21, 2017 22:41:50 GMT -5
CH, it's not an image. All you need to do is paste the full link. It embeds the tweet. |
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Post by seventeen on May 21, 2017 22:49:16 GMT -5
Yep. Poor HNIC.....Sens down 5-0 early in the second. Got a kick out of Cherry today. He blamed one player for getting in the way of a point shot. "If you're not gonna be on the defenceman...get out of the way! How many times do I have to say it!" Then the next bit of analysis features Hagelin at about the same distance from Karlsson's point shot as the former play...Hagelin blocks it and gets a breakaway. I was wondering what happened to..."Get out of the way....." well, he did say get out of the way or block the shot How do you know you're going to successfully block the shot in order to decide? |
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Post by seventeen on May 21, 2017 22:53:28 GMT -5
He's not the go-to guy in Nashville ... he can if they want him to be, but he's now part of probably the most dynamic defence corps in the league ... I'd like to see PK Subban with a Cup for personal reasons; however, if anyone in Nashville deserves a Cup it's David Poile ... ditto Mike Fisher ... Pittsburgh just served notice against Ottawa, 7-0 ... will be interesting to see how the Senators respond ... Cheers. I still think he's injured. He just isn't as quick or (especially) agile as he was with us. With us, he could take the puck deep into the offensive zone, juking and feinting and throw off defenders. He hasn't been doing that and he simply doesn't look quite the same to me. Playing a much more conservative game, while the other Pred defenders take risks galore. I think he'd be doing that too, if he could. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 21, 2017 23:51:30 GMT -5
well, he did say get out of the way or block the shot How do you know you're going to successfully block the shot in order to decide? Cherry's m.o. is to manipulate any outcome to fit his self-proclaimed genius agenda. Today, he reinforced his claim that we are "civilians" and he's the expert. The older he gets, the more he makes that kind of statement....and the more MacLean aids and abets. Regularly remind your viewers that they'll never reach your level of insight/knowledge. Good plan. If a play works out: "Kids, how many times have I told ya...THIS is the way to do it! Atta boy...my kinda guy! Just like my Bruins!"If the same play doesn't work out: "Kids, how many times have I told ya...NEVER do this! I always told my Bruins..." |
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Post by seventeen on May 22, 2017 13:16:04 GMT -5
Do you have a Don Cherry bobble head doll on your trophy case? |
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Post by CentreHice on May 22, 2017 13:42:26 GMT -5
Do you have a Don Cherry bobble head doll on your trophy case? Yes...and right beside it is a Ron MacLean noddle-head.... |
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Post by seventeen on May 22, 2017 18:12:56 GMT -5
Do you have a Don Cherry bobble head doll on your trophy case? Yes...and right beside it is a Ron MacLean noddle-head.... Oh yeah, one of those that only goes up and down, not side to side. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 22, 2017 19:31:22 GMT -5
2-0 Preds on the first 3 shots. Bernier in net.
KEEP SHOOTING!
EDIT: Now Ritchie is gone for 5:00 and game for boarding.
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Post by jkr on May 22, 2017 19:37:41 GMT -5
Preds with a horrible PP so far. 5 minute major down the toilet. Subban with a good shooting opportunity & passes it to nobody really. No SOG in the major.
2-0 after one.
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Post by CentreHice on May 22, 2017 19:45:16 GMT -5
Preds with a horrible PP so far. 5 minute major down the toilet. Subban with a good shooting opportunity & passes it to nobody really. No SOG in the major. Ducks are very aggressive on the PK. Still...no shots on a major. Sure hope it doesn't rally Anaheim. Galley is really cheering for the Ducks, it seems. |
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Post by jkr on May 22, 2017 19:49:03 GMT -5
Preds with a horrible PP so far. 5 minute major down the toilet. Subban with a good shooting opportunity & passes it to nobody really. No SOG in the major. Ducks are very aggressive on the PK. Still...no shots on a major. Sure hope it doesn't rally Anaheim. Galley is really cheering for the Ducks, it seems. With Bernier they should be shooting from anywhere. I've seen enough of him in Toronto to know that anything can go in from anywhere. |
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Post by jkr on May 22, 2017 20:00:39 GMT -5
Preds with a horrible PP so far. 5 minute major down the toilet. Subban with a good shooting opportunity & passes it to nobody really. No SOG in the major. Ducks are very aggressive on the PK. Still...no shots on a major. Sure hope it doesn't rally Anaheim. Galley is really cheering for the Ducks, it seems. Thought Subban was poor on that PP. Gave the puck away on a silly back pass that led to a good short handed chance and then he passed on a good shooting chance. |
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