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Post by Skilly on Jun 12, 2017 10:44:41 GMT -5
What's that saying ... This is a copy-cat league.
So you really need an elite goalie to win the Stanley Cup? I mean Matt Murray is .... oh wait ....
So you really need a puck moving rushing defenseman, to create offense to win the Cup? I mean Kris Letang played awesome ... oh wait ...
NO ... it is simple and always has been. You need to have players that can score. If you can score, the rest of your team just needs to be relatively average in in the playoffs.
So Bergevin, start copy-catting
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 12, 2017 11:21:26 GMT -5
I'm happy for Ron Hainsey, a guy who never got the respect he probably deserved. I find there are several players that this might apply to, but I remember saying the same thing to myself about Ron Hainsey ... I remember a few of our members being miffed when Hainsey got snapped up on re-entry waivers ... still, he's had an excellent career outside of Montreal ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 12, 2017 12:29:04 GMT -5
I really wish there were some situations where the "intent to blow" is superseded by when the puck is clearly loose. In the case of Matt Murray, he never had the puck even though the official lost sight of it. That should have been overturned. It may have been a mistake, but it was a really bad mistake. Usually refs wait at least a second before determining the puck is somewhere in the goalie before deciding they've lost sight. They've got the delay covered off anyway, with that silly "I meant to blow the whistle even if I didn't" rule. Mind you, I've seen quick whistles before. It's unfortunate it had to happen in the SC finals and at such a key point. If Nashville scores there, I don't think the Pens get many scoring chances after that. The Preds would have been highly motivated and would have played well over their heads. They showed that in previous games where they took the lead late. But....the Cup was lost in game 5 of the Ducks series when Johansen went down. The drop off from RJ to Mike Fisher was far worse than the drop off from Letang to the rest of the Pens defense. Johansen changes the way the Pens would have to play and probably makes Sullivan play Cullen more than he wanted, would have improved the Preds PP more, would have had whoever else was matched up with Johansen (Crosby or Malkin) play more in their own end and would have moved every other centre on the Preds down one slot where they would be more effective. It was a killer injury. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 12, 2017 12:39:20 GMT -5
What's that saying ... This is a copy-cat league. So you really need an elite goalie to win the Stanley Cup? I mean Matt Murray is .... oh wait .... So you really need a puck moving rushing defenseman, to create offense to win the Cup? I mean Kris Letang played awesome ... oh wait ... NO ... it is simple and always has been. You need to have players that can score. If you can score, the rest of your team just needs to be relatively average in in the playoffs. So Bergevin, start copy-catting I've always said you don't need an all world goalie, just one considered at least slightly above average. You also need an elite defenseman and while you can use the Letang injury to show you can get away without one, I disagree. The reason is that you also need an elite or at least excellent centre to win. The Preds had one until Johansen got hurt, so the winner of this series was going to be missing either an elite centre or an elite defenseman. One could argue that it's more important to have an elite centre than an elite defenseman and I'd agree there. The 06 Canes had Eric Staal adn Rod Brind a'mour but pretty much an average group of dmen. Every other Cup champion until this year had both a great centre and a great dman. Both teams had those two ingredients until injuries hit, so I stand by my premise that to win the Cup, you need both. Not that I disagree with your main point...you have to be able to score! I've played on many soccer teams over my years and all the successful ones had someone who could score. Other teams I've seen that had a lot of talent but couldn't win it all, didn't have that same scoring ability and depended on 'scoring by committee'. Not good enough. At crunch time, the natural scorer finds a way, the committee doesn't. Johansen would have scored somewhere along the way. |
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Jun 12, 2017 12:46:52 GMT -5
I really wish there were some situations where the "intent to blow" is superseded by when the puck is clearly loose. In the case of Matt Murray, he never had the puck even though the official lost sight of it. That should have been overturned. It may have been a mistake, but it was a really bad mistake. Usually refs wait at least a second before determining the puck is somewhere in the goalie before deciding they've lost sight. They've got the delay covered off anyway, with that silly "I meant to blow the whistle even if I didn't" rule. Mind you, I've seen quick whistles before. It's unfortunate it had to happen in the SC finals and at such a key point. If Nashville scores there, I don't think the Pens get many scoring chances after that. The Preds would have been highly motivated and would have played well over their heads. They showed that in previous games where they took the lead late. With the league wanting more goals scored I am perfectly alright with a referee making a call like that and being wrong. From his vantage point he thought Murray had caught the puck and if you watch Murray he doesn't react like he is looking for it so in his judgment he blew the play dead. It would have been much more a travesty if the Pens goal had been called off for goalie interference when the player was trying to get past the goalie to reach a loose puck or if a video replay had shown a player had a skate blade a 1/2 inch off the ice and a play had been called off sides. Both the quick whistle and the goal were real hockey plays that happened in seconds and the calls should have stood as the officials saw them. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 12, 2017 12:56:43 GMT -5
What's that saying ... This is a copy-cat league. So you really need an elite goalie to win the Stanley Cup? I mean Matt Murray is .... oh wait .... So you really need a puck moving rushing defenseman, to create offense to win the Cup? I mean Kris Letang played awesome ... oh wait ... NO ... it is simple and always has been. You need to have players that can score. If you can score, the rest of your team just needs to be relatively average in in the playoffs. So Bergevin, start copy-catting In one of his "conversation over" answers a couple of post-seasons ago, Berg said that an elite scoring centre would cost us Carey Price. Sucks that it's been mismanaged to this point...but maybe it's time?? |
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