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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:52:12 GMT -5
Bobby Ryan on a 5-on-3. Game tied. Anderson's been very good.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 23, 2017 21:21:41 GMT -5
Quite the shot by Hoffman.
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Post by frozone on May 23, 2017 21:49:34 GMT -5
I'm not talking about NSH or MTL. I'm talking about in a vacuum, the pros and cons of each player balance out pretty equally. A Norris winning puck mover with serious defensive chops... or a feared stay at home d-man who scores 15-20+ goals per season. If I have to pick one, I choose PK because puck possession is more important right now in today's game, and PK's character is tops. We're all aware of Weber's shortcomings. But let's not forget that Subban has his warts too. For such a great skater, he's not that fast and I think his PP game is a bit overrated. Also, I worry about his back injuries and how that might take away from his prime years and career longevity. They each have their pros and cons, and they more or less balance out imo. If we're talking about Montreal specifically, yes we needed more puck possession players. In that sense, it was idiotic to trade Subban. And Eller for that matter. But we also needed more goals. Weber helped provide more goals, but hurt us on puck possession. He made our team different, not worse and certainly not better. Now that we have Weber, we need a legit puck moving D. Round and round we go. I don't think Weber provided more goals. We had 5 more goals on the season, and it was solely due to OT goals where Weber hardly played. That's not even getting into the Subban providing more space for his team mates and his assists ... I don't think we beat New York if we had Subban, for the very fact that we didn't add more goals But that's exactly my point, when you factor in their pros and cons, they even out. Weber scores more goals than PK. But when you add Weber's goals at the expense of removing PK's skillset, you're left more or less where you were before. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 10:19:00 GMT -5
Quite the shot by Hoffman. Ottawa really came to life after their PPG. It was all Pittsburgh until then. Anderson was terrific. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 24, 2017 11:17:06 GMT -5
Quite the shot by Hoffman. Ottawa really came to life after their PPG. It was all Pittsburgh until then. Anderson was terrific. Anderson clearly did not want to be cleaning his locker out today. Good for him. Saw this interesting tweet earlier today. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on May 24, 2017 14:56:06 GMT -5
I don't think we beat New York if we had Subban, for the very fact that we didn't add more goals But we would have added the potential for more goals with PK. I know that sounds weird, but PK drives way more scoring chances both on a gross and net basis per 60 minutes than Weber. They don't always get converted but the more high quality chances you get in a game, the better your odds of burying them. Those stats become more meaningful over the course of a season, so it's hard to say the extra chances generated by PK over 6 games against the Rangers would have made a difference. Maybe they get converted in a game we would have won anyway, or maybe they would have been saved by the goalie.... but they could have made the difference in one of the games we lost. The point is to drive as many net scoring chances at even strength as possible. The rest comes down to finish and the quality of goaltending at both ends. I'll concede that Weber has the more accurate shot on the PP, but Subban contributes BY FAR more scoring chances at even strength (and is just as good as Weber at preventing them) so the two players aren't all that close, IMO, even though the goals and points would put them about even. But I agree the lack of scoring elsewhere would have been a problem regardless. |
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Post by jkr on May 24, 2017 15:48:23 GMT -5
Maybe it's time for Babcock& company to take notice instead of overlooking Subban in favor of guys like Hamhius and Muzzin.  |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 24, 2017 18:51:41 GMT -5
Maybe it's time for Babcock& company to take notice instead of overlooking Subban in favor of guys like Hamhius and Muzzin. Don't count on it... |
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Post by seventeen on May 24, 2017 20:01:52 GMT -5
Maybe it's time for Babcock& company to take notice instead of overlooking Subban in favor of guys like Hamhius and Muzzin. Or Weber or Pietrangelo. My right D would be a selection between PK, Burns, Doughty and Letang. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on May 25, 2017 8:52:19 GMT -5
Maybe it's time for Babcock& company to take notice instead of overlooking Subban in favor of guys like Hamhius and Muzzin. The management of Team Canada is also pretty old school, and Subban was a luxury they didn't need at Sochi. They liked having a balance of puck movers and stay at home guys, and it's not like you can go wrong given the talent we have. They won without PK, but I'm sure they would have won with him as well. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 25, 2017 21:26:56 GMT -5
How about triple OT so that the winner is dead tired and we can cheer on the Preds for the Cup lol?
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Post by CentreHice on May 25, 2017 21:54:41 GMT -5
i predict the Sens win it.
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Post by jkr on May 25, 2017 22:02:46 GMT -5
Kessel completely in the clear & misses the net.
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Post by jkr on May 25, 2017 22:30:38 GMT -5
Rust setup beautifully for a tap in & manages to miss the net. Going to 2
OT.
EDIT: Kunitz with a bit of a knuckler for his 2nd of the game. Pitt wins it.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 22:58:48 GMT -5
Kunitz flubbed on the one-timer but still went in. Penguins to the final.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 26, 2017 8:20:41 GMT -5
Kunitz flubbed on the one-timer but still went in. Penguins to the final. Woohoo... should be an awesome series... fast exciting hockey... not goon hockey (ducks) and boring trap (sens)... although Anderson played lights out for the Sens. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 8:28:15 GMT -5
Predators are wounded and the Pens are still missing a few guys, but Pittsburgh the likely favourite.
What's interesting when I was watching some clips on TSN was that they mentioned how Anderson didn't play an awful lot, a lot of it because of personal reasons, so he was fresh for this playoff run. Matt Murray didn't play until Game 5 of this series, so he was fresh. Pekka Rinne has played the bulk of the games for the Predators this season so it'll be interesting to see if he has any gas left in the tank. Seems to me that you really do need two goaltenders even in the playoffs.
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Post by Boston_Habs on May 26, 2017 8:29:01 GMT -5
Great game. Pittsburgh is so quick and decisive in transition. Seems like everyone is on the same page, they all make good passes, no hesitation. I really love the way they play and they don't look like they miss Letang at all. Crazy.
This could be an outstanding, fast paced series. Last year the Sharks played the heavy forecheck game, but both teams are going to want to play with pace in this series. Nashville's back end will be the key for the Preds, along with Rinne. The Pens are just dangerous all the time.
Should be great!
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Post by Willie Dog on May 29, 2017 19:44:04 GMT -5
PK goal called back due to offside questionable call.
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Post by Boston_Habs on May 29, 2017 19:46:13 GMT -5
PK goal called back due to offside questionable call. Awful. You can't overturn that stuff in hockey. |
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Post by blny on May 29, 2017 19:52:19 GMT -5
I saw every angle the league did, and I have no idea how anyone can say definitively that the Preds forward had his back leg off the ice. Given how many non-icings are actually icings, it more than irks me that a team can call for a review on this. There should also be a time limit on the review. If you can't refute the original call inside of 2 minutes, you're done. Original call stands.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 29, 2017 19:56:19 GMT -5
And then the refs call a shadow penalty against the preds. Now a 5 on 3... what a joke!!!!
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Post by Willie Dog on May 29, 2017 19:58:04 GMT -5
I f'n hate the nhl and their refs
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Post by Skilly on May 29, 2017 20:04:44 GMT -5
The first period is all the proof you need as to where the NHL's head is ...
The NHL video cameras are not HD, and to definitively determine off-sides they assumed a foot was in the air
Two penalties on one play to the Predators, both of which were not penalties, in fact one a player was not even touched
On the Pens goal, Crosby elbows a Predator, who didn't have the puck
You tell me who the NHL wants to win?
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Post by Willie Dog on May 29, 2017 20:10:26 GMT -5
The first period is all the proof you need as to where the NHL's head is ... The NHL video cameras are not HD, and to definitively determine off-sides they assumed a foot was in the air Two penalties on one play to the Predators, both of which were not penalties, in fact one a player was not even touched On the Pens goal, Crosby elbows a Predator, who didn't have the puck You tell me who the NHL wants to win? Exactly... I'm not watching the rest of the game... I got a headache yelling at the TV. |
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Post by Skilly on May 29, 2017 20:29:57 GMT -5
Ron MacLean says Pens got every break in the book in the first period
Cherry goes off saying the he knew the Preds goal would be offside, cause the coach asked for a review quickly , they knew ... No Don, you were hoping, it was Subban after all.
MacLean asks about the Crosby interference and he says ... C'mon I'm not talking about that.
Of course you aren't, can't touch the Golden Boy.
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Post by franko on May 29, 2017 21:11:38 GMT -5
Ron MacLean says Pens got every break in the book in the first period Cherry goes off saying the he knew the Preds goal would be offside, cause the coach asked for a review quickly , they knew ... No Don, you were hoping, it was Subban after all. MacLean asks about the Crosby interference and he says ... C'mon I'm not talking about that. Of course you aren't, can't touch the Golden Boy. why are you watching CBC? game's on NBC. course then you've got McGuire . . . |
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Post by seventeen on May 29, 2017 22:57:11 GMT -5
Before this series, I thought the Pens would win either 5 or 6 games. The Johansen injury, IMO, killed Nashville's chances. No good scoring centre, no Cup. They certainly battled back, but those 3 early goals (to which I credit the officiating and NHL head office) hurt the Preds badly. I guess the NHL Head Office is now even with Bergevin. The slate is clean.
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Post by CentreHice on May 30, 2017 1:33:12 GMT -5
12 shots on net...including the empty net goal.
At least the Preds can say they roared back to tie it...and held the Pens to only 12 shots.
I didn't see the game...but after reading these comments...how can the Cup Final be focused on anything other than making sure every call is correct?
The best referees...and this is what happens?
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Post by seventeen on May 30, 2017 1:36:29 GMT -5
I think Laviolette may have a dilemma on his hands. Rinne's save percentage has been deteriorating since the Chicago series. It's still ok, but was down to .918 I think for the Ducks series.
Would you sit him and play Saros? I doubt he does, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rinne's on a short leash in the next game.
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