|
|
Post by CentreHice on Jun 5, 2017 19:59:34 GMT -5
Preds up 1-0. Pens call for a GI review...to no avail. Craig Simpson lobbying heavily for no-goal.
Have to see it again, but it appeared as if Dumolin's pass to spring Crosby was unintentional/lucky...
|
|
|
|
Post by CentreHice on Jun 5, 2017 21:59:43 GMT -5
Hughson and Simpson claiming that "Sid and Geno" must be tired....so many games over the past two years....
I find a Pens' bias from HNIC.
Subban, again, leads all skaters with 25:09 of ice....
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 22:06:32 GMT -5
Series tied
|
|
|
|
Post by CentreHice on Jun 5, 2017 22:12:53 GMT -5
Hey, MacLean....why don't you play Cherry's pre-game prediction which told us to expect the Pens to go up 3-1?
Right...show only the hits! Ignore the misses.
|
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Jun 6, 2017 0:05:11 GMT -5
Medical Alert. Bergevin's migraine has been upgraded to a 7.8 on the Richter scale. Two more quakes and inescapable damage will be incurred by his ego. A flurry of orders for voodoo dolls and votive candles have been recorded being sent from the Bell Centre. An unconfirmed report has a phone call being made to Russia.
In other news...Trump has gone golfing.
|
|
|
|
Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 6, 2017 9:10:15 GMT -5
Subban, again, leads all skaters with 25:09 of ice.... This is one of the great ironies of the trade.... PK is showing his incredible versatility as a DEFENSIVE player. He racked up 22:37 of even strength ice time, compared to Josi and Ellis who each had less than 19 minutes of ES time. This was the first game that I thought Pittsburgh controlled but Laviolette is leaning heavily on PK and Ekholm to be the shut down guys. One thing people forget about Subban is how strong he is, particularly his lower body which is what matters most in hockey. He's built like Crosby that way. So let's recap. Not only is Subban a dynamic offensive player, who carries play and completes passes at a very high level, he's also an outstanding in-zone defensive player who wins puck battles and prevents goals with the best of them. He's the most versatile blue liner on that team and that's showing up in his usage. People ragged on PK as a "freelancer" and a lesser defensive player than Weber to justify the trade.... and what he is showing in the playoffs is the complete opposite of that, which should surprise NOBODY. It will be interesting if the Preds win. I suppose the obvious Conn Smythe candidate would be Rinne, but if the advanced stats crowd were choosing the MVP for Nashville has been Subban.... and yes, I'm biased. |
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 6, 2017 10:22:27 GMT -5
Subban, again, leads all skaters with 25:09 of ice.... This is one of the great ironies of the trade.... PK is showing his incredible versatility as a DEFENSIVE player. He racked up 22:37 of even strength ice time, compared to Josi and Ellis who each had less than 19 minutes of ES time. This was the first game that I thought Pittsburgh controlled but Laviolette is leaning heavily on PK and Ekholm to be the shut down guys. One thing people forget about Subban is how strong he is, particularly his lower body which is what matters most in hockey. He's built like Crosby that way. So let's recap. Not only is Subban a dynamic offensive player, who carries play and completes passes at a very high level, he's also an outstanding in-zone defensive player who wins puck battles and prevents goals with the best of them. He's the most versatile blue liner on that team and that's showing up in his usage. People ragged on PK as a "freelancer" and a lesser defensive player than Weber to justify the trade.... and what he is showing in the playoffs is the complete opposite of that, which should surprise NOBODY. It will be interesting if the Preds win. I suppose the obvious Conn Smythe candidate would be Rinne, but if the advanced stats crowd were choosing the MVP for Nashville has been Subban.... and yes, I'm biased. would agree with you ... I was trying to find something like this the other day ... from the Toronto Sun, Thursday, May 18th, 2017 ... Heading into Game 4 of the Western Conference final against the Anaheim Ducks, Subban was ranked third amongst Nashville defencemen with one goal and seven assists in 13 games. But it’s not about points or playing the hero. Like Weber, who was a rock for the Predators, Subban has accepted a shutdown role that has shined a light on his defensive play.
Predators head coach Peter Laviolette called Subban “a really good 200-foot, two-way player for us”, whose attention to detail in the defensive end has been “on the money.” Ryan Ellis, who said Subban’s first goal as a Predator featured “a really big celly,” described his teammate as “responsible.”
Those aren’t words Subban had been hearing in Montreal, where he was portrayed as a riverboat gambler who was more concerned with padding his own stats and building his personal brand than winning a championship. It wasn’t true. But that was the image that made Poile nervous.I know PK Subban was expected to be Montreal's best player and when he wasn't it made news ... he made mistakes in Montreal, but every mistake he made was overblown to the max if only to sell controversy ... now he's generating more discussion than Sydney Crosby ... I'm sure his detractors will find something wrong with that, too ... Cheers. |
|
|
|
Post by CentreHice on Jun 6, 2017 10:34:24 GMT -5
Subban, again, leads all skaters with 25:09 of ice.... This is one of the great ironies of the trade.... PK is showing his incredible versatility as a DEFENSIVE player. He racked up 22:37 of even strength ice time, compared to Josi and Ellis who each had less than 19 minutes of ES time. This was the first game that I thought Pittsburgh controlled but Laviolette is leaning heavily on PK and Ekholm to be the shut down guys. One thing people forget about Subban is how strong he is, particularly his lower body which is what matters most in hockey. He's built like Crosby that way. So let's recap. Not only is Subban a dynamic offensive player, who carries play and completes passes at a very high level, he's also an outstanding in-zone defensive player who wins puck battles and prevents goals with the best of them. He's the most versatile blue liner on that team and that's showing up in his usage. People ragged on PK as a "freelancer" and a lesser defensive player than Weber to justify the trade.... and what he is showing in the playoffs is the complete opposite of that, which should surprise NOBODY. It will be interesting if the Preds win. I suppose the obvious Conn Smythe candidate would be Rinne, but if the advanced stats crowd were choosing the MVP for Nashville has been Subban.... and yes, I'm biased. Gee...maybe Matt Pfeffer's analytics--and his strong recommendation--were justified??? Love the way Berg does business. He doesn't renew the contract of an important employee whose analytics and judgement were correct. The truth didn't fit the narrative. Pfeffer must've been vehement in his presentation. |
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 6, 2017 10:40:15 GMT -5
Hughson and Simpson claiming that "Sid and Geno" must be tired....so many games over the past two years.... I find a Pens' bias from HNIC. Subban, again, leads all skaters with 25:09 of ice.... There are exceptions to this, sure, but generally speaking the TOI between Nashville's top-4 defencemen isn't all that much ... I went through a few rounds earlier and again, generally speaking, the difference sometimes equates to a few extra shifts ... but, as the TO Sun points out, PK Subban has been exceling in a shutdown role ... this "who's lying" the press is trying to flog between Subban and Sydney Crosby, is just a lame media-driven sideshow of the series ... all I took from Subban's 'bad breath' comments was, 'what's said on the ice, stays on the ice' and if he can have fun with it, why not ... on the other end, sure Crosby will address it because he has a whack of microphones shoved in his face, but I got the impression he'd rather be talking about something else ... #theworldaccordingtodis Cheers. |
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Jun 6, 2017 11:11:54 GMT -5
Hughson and Simpson claiming that "Sid and Geno" must be tired....so many games over the past two years.... I find a Pens' bias from HNIC. Subban, again, leads all skaters with 25:09 of ice.... There are exceptions to this, sure, but generally speaking the TOI between Nashville's top-4 defencemen isn't all that much ... I went through a few rounds earlier and again, generally speaking, the difference sometimes equates to a few extra shifts ... but, as the TO Sun points out, PK Subban has been exceling in a shutdown role ... this "who's lying" the press is trying to flog between Subban and Sydney Crosby, is just a lame media-driven sideshow of the series ... all I took from Subban's 'bad breath' comments was, 'what's said on the ice, stays on the ice' and if he can have fun with it, why not ... on the other end, sure Crosby will address it because he has a whack of microphones shoved in his face, but I got the impression he'd rather be talking about something else ... #theworldaccordingtodis Cheers. I love the fact PK showed up before the game with a number of bottles of Listerine and some fans had placards that looked like listerine bottles See the 35 second mark in the video |
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 6, 2017 11:31:15 GMT -5
There are exceptions to this, sure, but generally speaking the TOI between Nashville's top-4 defencemen isn't all that much ... I went through a few rounds earlier and again, generally speaking, the difference sometimes equates to a few extra shifts ... but, as the TO Sun points out, PK Subban has been exceling in a shutdown role ... this "who's lying" the press is trying to flog between Subban and Sydney Crosby, is just a lame media-driven sideshow of the series ... all I took from Subban's 'bad breath' comments was, 'what's said on the ice, stays on the ice' and if he can have fun with it, why not ... on the other end, sure Crosby will address it because he has a whack of microphones shoved in his face, but I got the impression he'd rather be talking about something else ... #theworldaccordingtodis Cheers. I love the fact PK showed up before the game with a number of bottles of Listerine and some fans had placards that looked like listerine bottles See the 35 second mark in the video I like stuff like this because it goes against everything the stoic, traditional NHL Neanderthals abhor ... I like the smash-car idea, but it might be too offensive for the teams with a more traditional mindset ... hey, it might be an alternative to trashing the city cores in Montreal and Vancouver ... |
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Jun 6, 2017 11:51:36 GMT -5
I've been impressed with PK's leadership qualities in these playoffs. Yep, PK and 'leadership' in the same breath.
He guarantees a win in game 3. Was that putting unnecessary pressure on the team? Might have been, but the team responded. They knew they deserved better and PK stood up and said so in the strongest terms. "We're going to win game 3 and then take it from there".
Did he guarantee a win in game 4? No. There was no need to. The momentum had shifted, but what he did do was help ease some of the potential jitters on the team by turning the usual trash talk with Crosby into a joke and then amplifying it by showing up with a gallon of Listerine for his teammates. That's thinking of the team.
One has to keep coming back to all the criticisms Habs management had of Subban, which keep being disproved, and it raises the continuing question of why? None of the reasons given for the trade seem to have any basis in fact (which most of us saw right at the start).
Saw a recent quote of Lafleur's about PK, that if he had been around in Guy's time, Pocket Rocket, or Savard or someone like that would have had a talk with him. Again, why? What is it with hockey players and their 'code of behaviour'? How a teammate acts off the ice (excepting illegal behaviours) is inconsequential. What they do ON the ice is what counts. These guys have to get over that. I;d rather have PK than some guy who can't skate, can't pass, can't think and costs the team games (that's an imaginary player, as an example).
Nashville's reaping the benefits now. They may still not win the Cup, but PK and Nashville are a great combination.
|
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Jun 6, 2017 12:01:16 GMT -5
I've been impressed with PK's leadership qualities in these playoffs. Yep, PK and 'leadership' in the same breath. He guarantees a win in game 3. Was that putting unnecessary pressure on the team? Might have been, but the team responded. They knew they deserved better and PK stood up and said so in the strongest terms. "We're going to win game 3 and then take it from there". Did he guarantee a win in game 4? No. There was no need to. The momentum had shifted, but what he did do was help ease some of the potential jitters on the team by turning the usual trash talk with Crosby into a joke and then amplifying it by showing up with a gallon of Listerine for his teammates. That's thinking of the team. One has to keep coming back to all the criticisms Habs management had of Subban, which keep being disproved, and it raises the continuing question of why? None of the reasons given for the trade seem to have any basis in fact (which most of us saw right at the start). Saw a recent quote of Lafleur's about PK, that if he had been around in Guy's time, Pocket Rocket, or Savard or someone like that would have had a talk with him. Again, why? What is it with hockey players and their 'code of behaviour'? How a teammate acts off the ice (excepting illegal behaviours) is inconsequential. What they do ON the ice is what counts. These guys have to get over that. I;d rather have PK than some guy who can't skate, can't pass, can't think and costs the team games (that's an imaginary player, as an example). Nashville's reaping the benefits now. They may still not win the Cup, but PK and Nashville are a great combination. PK has elevated his game (on and off the ice) in the playoffs, shown leadership (by guaranteeing game 3 he took all the pressure off of everyone else on the team and put it on himself). and done more for his team in the playoffs than our stoic captain did for us in the playoffs. |
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Jun 6, 2017 16:45:12 GMT -5
PK has elevated his game (on and off the ice) in the playoffs, shown leadership (by guaranteeing game 3 he took all the pressure off of everyone else on the team and put it on himself). and done more for his team in the playoffs than our stoic captain did for us in the playoffs. I've pointed out areas of Weber's game that I'm not crazy about, and I didn't see any of our playoff games (out of the country), but I gather Weber played well. He's simply not a big driver of offense 5 on 5. The bigger reason we didn't advance was likely the fact our top centres were PLeks and Danault. Unless you have 4 great defensemen and a hot goalie, it is really tough to overcome the lack of creativity and talent at the centre position. I still don't know how Nashville is doing it and they may still succumb because of it, but you have to be strong up the middle. One team this year is going to disprove my mantra. Nashville doesn't have any strength up the middle after Johansen's injury and Pittsburgh doesn't have the elite defenseman with Letang's injury. |
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Jun 6, 2017 18:18:13 GMT -5
PK has elevated his game (on and off the ice) in the playoffs, shown leadership (by guaranteeing game 3 he took all the pressure off of everyone else on the team and put it on himself). and done more for his team in the playoffs than our stoic captain did for us in the playoffs. I've pointed out areas of Weber's game that I'm not crazy about, and I didn't see any of our playoff games (out of the country), but I gather Weber played well. He's simply not a big driver of offense 5 on 5. The bigger reason we didn't advance was likely the fact our top centres were PLeks and Danault. Unless you have 4 great defensemen and a hot goalie, it is really tough to overcome the lack of creativity and talent at the centre position. I still don't know how Nashville is doing it and they may still succumb because of it, but you have to be strong up the middle. One team this year is going to disprove my mantra. Nashville doesn't have any strength up the middle after Johansen's injury and Pittsburgh doesn't have the elite defenseman with Letang's injury. Weber was fine and did everything that was asked of him. He played exemplary and if not for a couple of posts we might have beaten the Rags. Patches was the one I had an issue with |
|
|
|
Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 6, 2017 19:40:47 GMT -5
PK has elevated his game (on and off the ice) in the playoffs, shown leadership (by guaranteeing game 3 he took all the pressure off of everyone else on the team and put it on himself). and done more for his team in the playoffs than our stoic captain did for us in the playoffs. I've pointed out areas of Weber's game that I'm not crazy about, and I didn't see any of our playoff games (out of the country), but I gather Weber played well. He's simply not a big driver of offense 5 on 5. The bigger reason we didn't advance was likely the fact our top centres were PLeks and Danault. Unless you have 4 great defensemen and a hot goalie, it is really tough to overcome the lack of creativity and talent at the centre position. I still don't know how Nashville is doing it and they may still succumb because of it, but you have to be strong up the middle. One team this year is going to disprove my mantra. Nashville doesn't have any strength up the middle after Johansen's injury and Pittsburgh doesn't have the elite defenseman with Letang's injury. You need to be able to drive possession and create scoring chances, whether that be in transition (like Pittsburgh), or from the back end (like Nashville), or with a heavy forecheck (San Jose), etc. Strength down the middle is ideal, but I'm not sure it's a necessary condition. That was another issue with the trade. PK was one of our best offensive players, probably the best after Pacioretty. Regardless of position, he was THE best at driving possession and getting the play to the offensive zone. I don't care if it's a centre, a wing, or a dman.... you hoard your possession and offense drivers like gold. You find as many of those types of players as possible and make sure you have a coach who is smart enough to figure out how to make it work. That's why Markov is STILL a hugely valuable player even at his advanced age. So I probably agree that even with PK, our ceiling was limited by the fact that we just didn't have enough offensive capability on the team. Pleks and Danault stand out as culprits, but they would have been fine if we had Subban and another guy like Radulov. We're stuck trying to replace what we lost with Subban AND trying to add the missing offensive piece. If we lose Radulov, we are TOAST. |
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Jun 6, 2017 23:00:59 GMT -5
I've pointed out areas of Weber's game that I'm not crazy about, and I didn't see any of our playoff games (out of the country), but I gather Weber played well. He's simply not a big driver of offense 5 on 5. The bigger reason we didn't advance was likely the fact our top centres were PLeks and Danault. Unless you have 4 great defensemen and a hot goalie, it is really tough to overcome the lack of creativity and talent at the centre position. I still don't know how Nashville is doing it and they may still succumb because of it, but you have to be strong up the middle. One team this year is going to disprove my mantra. Nashville doesn't have any strength up the middle after Johansen's injury and Pittsburgh doesn't have the elite defenseman with Letang's injury. You need to be able to drive possession and create scoring chances, whether that be in transition (like Pittsburgh), or from the back end (like Nashville), or with a heavy forecheck (San Jose), etc. Strength down the middle is ideal, but I'm not sure it's a necessary condition. That was another issue with the trade. PK was one of our best offensive players, probably the best after Pacioretty. Regardless of position, he was THE best at driving possession and getting the play to the offensive zone. I don't care if it's a centre, a wing, or a dman.... you hoard your possession and offense drivers like gold. You find as many of those types of players as possible and make sure you have a coach who is smart enough to figure out how to make it work. That's why Markov is STILL a hugely valuable player even at his advanced age. So I probably agree that even with PK, our ceiling was limited by the fact that we just didn't have enough offensive capability on the team. Pleks and Danault stand out as culprits, but they would have been fine if we had Subban and another guy like Radulov. We're stuck trying to replace what we lost with Subban AND trying to add the missing offensive piece. If we lose Radulov, we are TOAST. I think we are toast already.... Radulov couldn't do it himself, Galchy was lost and our captain was floating around the perimeter avoiding contact at all costs.. thats Max Patio-ready |
|
|
|
Post by CentreHice on Jun 8, 2017 20:39:33 GMT -5
People are blaming Rinne...but 2 of those three goals were class-A shots. The Preds were giving up prime scoring areas. And it's continued into the second, with two more goals against Saros.
EDIT: 6-0.
Erase that game from your memory, boys...and tie it up on Sunday. I sure wish they wouldn't wait 2 days between games after Game 4. Travel schmavel. 1.5 hr. flight.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Habitual Fan on Jun 9, 2017 8:03:40 GMT -5
Just for fun but last night
PK Subban -2 4 PIM
Shea Weber Even 0 PIM
|
|
|
|
Post by jkr on Jun 9, 2017 8:19:36 GMT -5
Just for fun but last night PK Subban -2 4 PIM Shea Weber Even 0 PIM How was PK's breath last night?  |
|
|
|
Post by franko on Jun 9, 2017 10:21:53 GMT -5
PK Subban -2 4 PIM Shea Weber Even 0 PIM even is the best he can do, with all that time off?  |
|
|
|
Post by CentreHice on Jun 9, 2017 12:16:23 GMT -5
With the injury to Johansen, the Preds can't compete at centre, and it's tough to contain Crosby and Malkin forever. I'm surprised Nashville has won 2 games. In fact, I'm surprised they went on to beat the Ducks.
Their goaltending is going to have to outright steal the Cup now. Can't see it happening.
Channeling Jaroslav Halak vs. Pittsburgh, 2010.
|
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 12, 2017 6:33:29 GMT -5
The Predators were the best team in the series through the first four games only they couldn't do better than a split ... that allowed Pittsburgh to hang around and eventually close the series ... however, I thought the series could have been different had a few calls gone Nashville's way ... that said, I understand that the standard of officiating drastically changes in the playoffs, but this year was probably the worst I've seen in quite a while ... I saw Sydney Crosby go to the box the odd time, but it was clear that there were two standards of officiating ... one for Crosby and one for everyone else ... having said that, Crosby may have won the Conn Smythe, but he could just as easily cost his team a game or two had the officiating been up to snuff ... that's just me, guys, and I'm unbelievably disappointed in the fluctuating levels of officiating ...
Cheers.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Habitual Fan on Jun 12, 2017 7:30:12 GMT -5
Rinne was really good for 1/2 the series and really bad for the other 1/2 but in the end Nashville couldn't score a goal in the final two games.
|
|
|
|
Post by Tankdriver on Jun 12, 2017 7:33:41 GMT -5
Rinne was really good for 1/2 the series and really bad for the other 1/2 but in the end Nashville couldn't score a goal in the final two games. I feel the need for a Skillyism...you can have an average core defence , but you still need players up front who can put the puck in the net. |
|
|
|
Post by BadCompany on Jun 12, 2017 8:34:19 GMT -5
I'm happy for Ron Hainsey, a guy who never got the respect he probably deserved. Especially in Montreal. Even this spring I heard some guys on the radio questioning whether or not Hainsey would even play in these playoffs, what with Pittsburgh's "depth on defense". Well, not only did he play, but he played extremely well, on Pittsburgh's first pairing. 21+ minutes a night, second only to Brian Dumolin (his partner) for the most ice time on the team. With a minute left in a one goal game, with the Stanley Cup on the line, guess who was out there defending the lead? Ron "good player on bad teams" Hainsey.
Only five players from that 2000 draft have played more games than Hainsey, a guy who many in Montreal insisted was a bust. Ron Hainsey and Francois Beauchemin. Two guys lost for nothing, who probably could have spent the last 12 years playing for us.
|
|
|
|
Post by CentreHice on Jun 12, 2017 8:40:06 GMT -5
Rinne was really good for 1/2 the series and really bad for the other 1/2 but in the end Nashville couldn't score a goal in the final two games. I feel the need for a Skillyism...you can have an average core defence , but you still need players up front you can out the puck in the net. Preds were 0-4 on the PP last. Matt Cullen was a monster on the PK. Johansen's injury really set the Preds back and made things a little easier for the Pens' D--who were very strong in their own right. But with that forward contingent--especially at centre--Pittsburgh was able to offset the absence of their #1 D Letang throughout the playoffs. Crosby won the Conn Smythe because he was the primo difference-maker. Seemed as if every time he was on the ice, something was brewing. |
|
|
|
Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 12, 2017 8:43:14 GMT -5
I'm happy for Ron Hainsey, a guy who never got the respect he probably deserved. Especially in Montreal. Even this spring I heard some guys on the radio questioning whether or not Hainsey would even play in these playoffs, what with Pittsburgh's "depth on defense". Well, not only did he play, but he played extremely well, on Pittsburgh's first pairing. 21+ minutes a night, second only to Brian Dumolin (his partner) for the most ice time on the team. With a minute left in a one goal game, with the Stanley Cup on the line, guess who was out there defending the lead? Ron "good player on bad teams" Hainsey. Only five players from that 2000 draft have played more games than Hainsey, a guy who many in Montreal insisted was a bust. Ron Hainsey and Francois Beauchemin. Two guys lost for nothing, who probably could have spent the last 12 years playing for us. That equates to over $35 million in lifetime earnings for "Hollywood" Hainsey. A very solid pro career for the guy and what a great way to cap it off! |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 9:56:33 GMT -5
I really wish there were some situations where the "intent to blow" is superseded by when the puck is clearly loose. In the case of Matt Murray, he never had the puck even though the official lost sight of it. That should have been overturned.
|
|
|
|
Post by franko on Jun 12, 2017 9:57:16 GMT -5
I'm happy for Ron Hainsey, a guy who never got the respect he probably deserved. Especially in Montreal. Even this spring I heard some guys on the radio questioning whether or not Hainsey would even play in these playoffs, what with Pittsburgh's "depth on defense". Well, not only did he play, but he played extremely well, on Pittsburgh's first pairing. 21+ minutes a night, second only to Brian Dumolin (his partner) for the most ice time on the team. With a minute left in a one goal game, with the Stanley Cup on the line, guess who was out there defending the lead? Ron "good player on bad teams" Hainsey. Only five players from that 2000 draft have played more games than Hainsey, a guy who many in Montreal insisted was a bust. Ron Hainsey and Francois Beauchemin. Two guys lost for nothing, who probably could have spent the last 12 years playing for us. and this was Hainsey's first playoff experience . . . nice timing! |
|
:quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/archetype/6F6VF25GCFF2HFJCOITRJSGNPE.jpg)
