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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 24, 2018 22:05:56 GMT -5
Evans went head to head against Hawkey. Close one, but Notre Dame prevailed. Off to the Frozen Four in two weeks.
Primeau was on the wrong end tonight, so he is done. Michigan beat them in another close one.
Only one prospect in the Frozen Four.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 24, 2018 23:40:28 GMT -5
Sarnia, Moose Jaw and Regina all bounce back from bad starts. Our lads did not feature in the scoresheet.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 27, 2018 11:18:15 GMT -5
Verbeek scored his first of the playoffs. It was the GWG and SSM are now comfortable with a 3-0 series lead. Fleury assisted on the only Regina goal as they lost 4-1 to very tough Swift Current. The Broncos are up 2-1 in that series.
Four of our CHL prospects play tonight, and all their series are knotted at 1 win apiece.
Habs Prospect on TV alert for later this week:
Thursday, March 29, 10:00 pm EDT Vancouver vs Victoria (Walford) on Sportsnet 360.
Note that Scott Walford has not yet played this series due to injury, so there is no word on whether he will be back for this game. He also only played one playoff game last year because of injury.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 27, 2018 21:58:48 GMT -5
Bitten with a goal and three assists...wowza. Bulldogs up 2-1 in their series. Same with Sarnia, although Pezzetta was held of the score sheet.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 28, 2018 9:28:15 GMT -5
AS incredible as Bitten's performance was last night, it should be noted that Josh Brook also had an impact on the result of his game...and it was a dramatic comeback story for sure.
Moose Jaw is the top seed taking on PA, who split the games in Moose Jaw. Game three shifts to northern SK and it looks good for the home side. With 17:20 left in the third, they score to go up 4-2. A major upset in the making. Moose Jaw heavily outshooting PA, to no avail. Cue Josh Brook (in the video).
He scores that goal with 1:37 left in the third to make it a one goal game. The Warriors then tied it up with 50 seconds left, and won in OT after only 19 seconds. Three goals in under 2:00 of playing time to take the pivotal game three. All because of that great effort from Brook that started the comeback going.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 28, 2018 22:38:42 GMT -5
Bitten with an assist. Hamilton up in their series 3-1.
Verbeek with an assist. SSM sweep in four.
Brook with two helpers, Moose Jaw win 2-0 and go up 3-1 in their series.
Fleury with two apples as well, as that series is now tied up at two each.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 30, 2018 13:19:41 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 1, 2018 7:41:52 GMT -5
Verbeek and Bitten are through to the second round. Pezzetta and Sarnia can get there with a win. Same with Brook and Moose Jaw, but they put up a stinker against PA last night and that series is at 3-2 for the Warriors.
Jarret Tyszka and Seattle are done in five, but he missed the last two games as he was sick. If he is healthy soon, the Rocket could sign him to an ATO. With only two weeks to play in the AHL, it might not happen. Scott Walford has missed all of his series and is not expected to play due to injury. The Royals also are missing a few of their key offensive guys, so their depleted lineup is down 3-2 to rival Vancouver.
Fleury and Memorial Cup hosts Regina won to stay alive last night against a very tough Swift Current team. That series is off to game seven. That should be a doozie.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 1, 2018 17:36:08 GMT -5
Pezzetta and Sarnia move on to round two.
Brook and Moose Jaw can do the same tonight.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 1, 2018 21:51:40 GMT -5
PA is taking the top seed in the WHL to a game seven. Wow.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 2, 2018 17:28:02 GMT -5
We will find out for sure after the Frozen Four this upcoming weekend.
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Post by folatre on Apr 2, 2018 20:51:26 GMT -5
NW, good find, thanks. I am relieved that Evans seems to feel that Montreal has been supportive of his choice to develop at Notre Dame.
The money and the incentives in the contract are not the issue. It is pretty vanilla thanks to the CBA. But the concern is that management makes him feel sufficiently optimistic about the situation here. It should not be hard to sell him on Montreal's lack of centre depth. But Bergevin needs to be ready to answer questions about how the Habs project him.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 2, 2018 21:13:59 GMT -5
NW, good find, thanks. I am relieved that Evans seems to feel that Montreal has been supportive of his choice to develop at Notre Dame. The money and the incentives in the contract are not the issue. It is pretty vanilla thanks to the CBA. But the concern is that management makes him feel sufficiently optimistic about the situation here. It should not be hard to sell him on Montreal's lack of centre depth. But Bergevin needs to be ready to answer questions about how the Habs project him. This will require good interpersonal skills. Good thing that's a Bergevin strong suit.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 3, 2018 3:30:32 GMT -5
NW, good find, thanks. I am relieved that Evans seems to feel that Montreal has been supportive of his choice to develop at Notre Dame. The money and the incentives in the contract are not the issue. It is pretty vanilla thanks to the CBA. But the concern is that management makes him feel sufficiently optimistic about the situation here. It should not be hard to sell him on Montreal's lack of centre depth. But Bergevin needs to be ready to answer questions about how the Habs project him. This will require good interpersonal skills. Good thing that's a Bergevin strong suit. Hey Evans! If you want loyalty get a dog. Minimum CBA to the first to take it. Better learn French. Ready for two AHL years on the worst team with the worst coach? Welcome aboard. Bienvenu! Highest tax rate and cold winter.
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Post by clear observer on Apr 3, 2018 9:28:56 GMT -5
...a Bergevin strong suit.
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Post by blny on Apr 3, 2018 11:03:05 GMT -5
...a Bergevin strong suit. Finnish tartan? lol
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Post by seventeen on Apr 3, 2018 12:58:16 GMT -5
Herb Tarlick.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 3, 2018 12:59:03 GMT -5
So Fleury and Regina were ousted in game seven against second seeded Swift Current. As Memorial Cup hosts, they find themselves in the same tough boat that Windsor did last year...a long layoff between meaningful games. Windsor found a way to keep fresh and win the Cup despite the layoff, so let's see how Regina can do.
Walford and Tyszka are both injured/sick, so even though their respective teams have been knocked out, it is highly unlikely that they will be healthy enough to sign an ATO and get in a few bonus games with the Rocket.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 3, 2018 23:10:52 GMT -5
Brook and Moose Jaw avoid the big first round upset, but just barely. The won 5-4 tonight to take game seven.
Wakey, wakey Warriors.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 4, 2018 0:20:13 GMT -5
I understand Kale Clague still isn't playing well but that's 2nd hand. Anything you can add NWT?
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Apr 4, 2018 6:05:23 GMT -5
This will require good interpersonal skills. Good thing that's a Bergevin strong suit. Hey Evans! If you want loyalty get a dog. Minimum CBA to the first to take it. Better learn French. Ready for two AHL years on the worst team with the worst coach? Welcome aboard. Bienvenu! Highest tax rate and cold winter. Just to be clear as fans we complain Montreal suck at drafting, we can't find players in the late rounds and can't develop players and have poor management skills. Here they draft a kid in the 7th round, let him develop in college while keeping in contact with him and monitoring his progress. The kid looks to have some talent and is happy with the organization and yet it is still a negative on Bergevin. Sometimes in a crap year it is nice to have a feel good story and just leave it at that.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 4, 2018 7:20:18 GMT -5
I understand Kale Clague still isn't playing well but that's 2nd hand. Anything you can add NWT? He is not contributing like expected, but the team is underachieving as a whole. They ran into a hard working team in PA that just put up more effort. Moose Jaw actually has been slowly declining since the New Year after totally dominating their games in the first half. The problem with a seven game series is you don’t get a ton of time to work on adjustments before you hit the ice again. Maybe this was the scare they needed. Maybe not. Will see soon enough.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 4, 2018 13:20:33 GMT -5
Some key playoff games for some of our WHL, OHL and lone NCAA prospect coming up this week:
WHL - Moose Jaw (Brook) vs Swift Current - starts Friday (this could be a doozie if the Warriors wake up - two best teams in the league) WHL - Victoria (Walford - injured) vs Tri-City - starts Friday
OHL - Hamilton (Bitten) vs Niagara - starts Thursday OHL - SSM (Verbeek) vs Owen Sound - starts Thursday OHL - Sarnia (Pezzetta) vs Kitchener - starts Friday
NCAA - Frozen Four Semi Final - Notre Dame (Evans) vs Michigan - sudden death game
So far none of the second round CHL games are on Sportsnet's tv listings, but they made add some soon as they did cover games in the first round from a few different series. I will keep an eye out.
If Evans does advance to the Finals, TSN2 is covering the game I believe.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 4, 2018 20:58:00 GMT -5
I understand Kale Clague still isn't playing well but that's 2nd hand. Anything you can add NWT? He is not contributing like expected, but the team is underachieving as a whole. They ran into a hard working team in PA that just put up more effort. Moose Jaw actually has been slowly declining since the New Year after totally dominating their games in the first half. The problem with a seven game series is you don’t get a ton of time to work on adjustments before you hit the ice again. Maybe this was the scare they needed. Maybe not. Will see soon enough. Unfortunately I have reached the point that if the team ends the season on a two game winning streak it still is a Bergevin megative. Bergevin must go. He has been a terrible GM with horrible moves and after six years disastrous results I am not alone with this opinion. We do have some kids with moderate success but no stars and Many former players successful elsewhere.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 4, 2018 21:58:53 GMT -5
I would definitely overhaul the player development team and the AHL coaching staff. We have a decent 2017 draft class coming pro within the next two seasons and will have a lot of good prospects from the 2018 draft. We should give them the best resources around to help them develop to their best potential.
Build through the draft...but the work just starts there.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 5, 2018 23:24:21 GMT -5
Evans wears the C for a reason. Just scored his second goal, the GWG, and added an assist to win 4-3 against Michigan. He scored the last goal against his possible future team mate, Quinn Hughes lol. They play UMD on Saturday on TSN2 for the national championship.
Bitten and the Bulldogs prevailed in OT to start their second round series. Verbeek and SSM were downed by Owen Sound tonight. They can lose a game!
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 5, 2018 23:49:29 GMT -5
Evans GWG with 3.7 seconds left. Clutch.
His first of the night.
The Captain after the game. One more win!!
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Post by Boston_Habs on Apr 6, 2018 9:16:32 GMT -5
Doesn't get much better than that. I've been interested in this kid all year and he's the kind of late blooming prospect that you need to hit on every so often. Certainly plays like more than a 7th round talent, he's gotten better every year at ND, and from what I've seen of him I really like his instincts and ability to make plays in traffic.
This is where the development piece in the AHL becomes crucial. Ideally, Evans would be given top line minutes in Laval as a C next year and then transition to the Habs the following season if he's truly legit. But the AHL has been such a black hole for prospects, I'd be afraid he won't get better there. Ryan Donato went straight from Harvard to the Bruins and has 5 goals in 10 games. Is he that much better than Evans at this point? The 82-game season is probably the biggest adjustment for US college players, but it would be great if this kid makes it.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 6, 2018 10:13:30 GMT -5
Good points Boston_Habs. That goes to the point that other made recently on another thread (the Piling On one I believe). Our current management seems to feel that creating a winning environment and player development are mutually exclusive results. I would argue that the top organizations believe that both are in fact equally important. Playing in meaningful games develops players. The post-season is a different beast, as it shows which players can play through injuries, tight checking, grinding schedules, and far more intense hockey to bring their best to each game and each shift. You cannot simulate that experience.
A lot of our prospects get it prior to joining the pro ranks. Mete and others at the World Juniors. Sergachev, Addison and McCarron recently at the Memorial Cup. Lehkonen at the SHL championships. Then they enter the black hole you describe. And let's put this into perspective. In soon to be six full seasons, Sly and company will have played three playoff games and amassed a grand total of one playoff win. Six years is a quarter of these kids' entire lives for heaven's sakes.
Berg cannot play that overused "character" card both ways. How on earth to you build character when you have an NHL and AHL team where about one third of the season is just going through the motions because any hope of the playoffs is long gone? Our AHL guys get no playoff experience at all. How on earth does that help them further develop their abilities to battle through a long season, when the games get more meaningful as the season extends? When is the last time any of them faced a do or die situation in a game, where you had to dig deep to find that resilience to leave nothing on the ice?
Carriere so misleadingly stated that this was a successful year for the Rocket based on the number of Rocket players playing with the Habs right now. Really??? I wonder if having only 43 guys under NHL contract and a bunch of the NHL regulars on the shelf has anything to do with it. It is great to see the kids getting a look, but if we had a normal and full complement of close to 50 contracted players, the kids would just not be getting the chance. Would it still be a successful season for the Rocket in that scenario? No way under any normal form of assessment could you consider this a successful season.
It has been time for a change for a while. Will this year be any different?
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Post by seventeen on Apr 6, 2018 12:42:42 GMT -5
Good points Boston_Habs. That goes to the point that other made recently on another thread (the Piling On one I believe). Our current management seems to feel that creating a winning environment and player development are mutually exclusive results. I would argue that the top organizations believe that both are in fact equally important. Playing in meaningful games develops players. The post-season is a different beast, as it shows which players can play through injuries, tight checking, grinding schedules, and far more intense hockey to bring their best to each game and each shift. You cannot simulate that experience. A lot of our prospects get it prior to joining the pro ranks. Mete and others at the World Juniors. Sergachev, Addison and McCarron recently at the Memorial Cup. Lehkonen at the SHL championships. Then they enter the black hole you describe. And let's put this into perspective. In soon to be six full seasons, Sly and company will have played three playoff games and amassed a grand total of one playoff win. Six years is a quarter of these kids' entire lives for heaven's sakes. Berg cannot play that overused "character" card both ways. How on earth to you build character when you have an NHL and AHL team where about one third of the season is just going through the motions because any hope of the playoffs is long gone? Our AHL guys get no playoff experience at all. How on earth does that help them further develop their abilities to battle through a long season, when the games get more meaningful as the season extends? When is the last time any of them faced a do or die situation in a game, where you had to dig deep to find that resilience to leave nothing on the ice? Carriere so misleadingly stated that this was a successful year for the Rocket based on the number of Rocket players playing with the Habs right now. Really??? I wonder if having only 43 guys under NHL contract and a bunch of the NHL regulars on the shelf has anything to do with it. It is great to see the kids getting a look, but if we had a normal and full complement of close to 50 contracted players, the kids would just not be getting the chance. Would it still be a successful season for the Rocket in that scenario? No way under any normal form of assessment could you consider this a successful season. It has been time for a change for a while. Will this year be any different? I jumped all over Bergevin when he made that comment that it's not Lefebvre's job to win, but to develop players. At that point, it became even clearer that the brain trust had no idea what they were doing. I can understand trying to defend an employee...it's a boss's job to do that. I've done that even when the employee was wrong, but a more frank conversation was held afterward with the employee so they understood why I defended them and how they could have handled the situation better. It's also a boss's job to deal with poor performance and when the boss falls down on that, their own poor performance should be dealt with. I've highlighted just a couple of important points above and they are so true. The only reason McCarron or Juulsen or Lernout are up with the team is because of the number of injuries and the very bad job Bergevin did over the summer putting together a defense. Pretty well every prospect belonging to any team in the NHL would have been called up if they were in Laval. That's hardly an endorsement of good development. The more telling point is the excuses being used. The justified criticism over development is answered by pointing out that so many kids are playing on the big team. That's a lie of course or at least a grand distortion of the truth. The criticism over not making the playoffs in the AHL is met with some lame reasoning that it's not his job to do so. The criticism over the general managing of the Habs is met with Molson's..."It's not his responsibility to deal with scouting, or trading, or any other aspect of putting together a team" (I paraphrase of course, but that's the gist of Molson's rebuttal), which is nutty. Every failing of the organization is met with one weak excuse after another. Bergevin has failed to build a quality organization. There are warm bodies in many positions, but that's all they are. That was apparent when they chose Daigneault over Larry Robinson. Bergevin should have been fired then and it would have saved us 6 years of angst.
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