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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2018 22:32:52 GMT -5
Dorion's haul is a very late first rounder, a very nice goalie prospect, a third rounder, and Cole (he will be traded for a 3rd or maybe a 2nd if lucky). Rutherford scooped up a very nice non-rental 30 year old 2C, a third round pick, and a second tier forward prospect. McPhee commits Vegas to pay $1.6 million between now and the end of Brassard's contract and picks up a 4th rounder along with Reaves a tough guy soon to be UFA. Is this other Vegas-Pittsburgh transaction truly separate or about settling values? Anyway, there is a lot going on in the deal. But my overall impression continues to be that Ottawa did not receive a single player that can help them in 2018-19 or 2019-20. Good summary. Agreed. From the OTT perspective it's a very complicated salary dump. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 24, 2018 0:17:49 GMT -5
Didn't Pittsburgh trade a first for Reeves at last year's draft to st Louis?
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Post by seventeen on Feb 24, 2018 1:44:52 GMT -5
Yes they did. Totally confusing at the time. And since. Reeves is a really good fighter but that’s it.
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Post by PTH on Feb 24, 2018 13:56:57 GMT -5
Interesting. I wonder if with social media breaking most big stories, we'll see more of these deals that get called back by the league, and while this one should be doable regardless, in some cases the whoe deals might just fall apart. As an aside, we have plenty of cap room and there's got to be a way to use this to our advantage. Can we have someone send us a player, we retain and move him along to someone else, as part of a 3-team deal, where we lose nothing but cap room and get back an asset ? I'm sure it could be done. If it's to be an actual rebuild, then by all means. Give us your Brouwers with your first. Etc. Bobby Mac is saying that NHL has now approved the three team deal. Details to follow. Well, I think management is looking at this a a re-tool, ie, other than Plek and Pax they aren't looking at many changes, so we can't be looking for long-term deals to take on, but I think they should go for 1 or 2 extra seasons if we got real picks back. I'd be game for 3-4 year deals if we got serious assets back. Imagine taking a 3 year contract and a 1st, and in 3 years the guy retires and we have a talented kid ready to step in... *sigh* We take Bobby Ryan and a 1st in a deal that got EK out of Ottawa, and our extra pick accelerates the rebuild... (and eating contracts also means making it harder for people to complain that Molson is cheap. I don't think he is, it's worth it for us to spend to the cap). |
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Post by blny on Feb 24, 2018 14:03:41 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Feb 24, 2018 14:05:38 GMT -5
If it's to be an actual rebuild, then by all means. Give us your Brouwers with your first. Etc. Bobby Mac is saying that NHL has now approved the three team deal. Details to follow. Well, I think management is looking at this a a re-tool, ie, other than Plek and Pax they aren't looking at many changes, so we can't be looking for long-term deals to take on, but I think they should go for 1 or 2 extra seasons if we got real picks back. I'd be game for 3-4 year deals if we got serious assets back. Imagine taking a 3 year contract and a 1st, and in 3 years the guy retires and we have a talented kid ready to step in... *sigh* We take Bobby Ryan and a 1st in a deal that got EK out of Ottawa, and our extra pick accelerates the rebuild... (and eating contracts also means making it harder for people to complain that Molson is cheap. I don't think he is, it's worth it for us to spend to the cap). That 3-4 year time frame is about right. What I don't see from Berg is a plan toward that effect. The players 29+ in age need to be used to acquire assets (excluding Price perhaps, but it should be ascertained what he can bring in return regardless, just in case one of the kids in goal develops quickly). Berg'a actions haven't indicated one way or the other, but his talk indicates a next year time frame, not 2-3 years. That is unrealistic and any moves toward that goal will keep us on blny's hamster wheel. A re-signing of Plekanec for example, will say "Next year" |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 24, 2018 14:08:19 GMT -5
Chiarelli turns a waiver pick-up into a 3rd rounder. Is he waking up? |
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Post by jkr on Feb 24, 2018 14:09:31 GMT -5
Didn't MTL lose this guy on waivers? |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 24, 2018 14:12:23 GMT -5
Chiarelli turns a waiver pick-up into a 3rd rounder. Is he waking up? More than our guy who waived him instead of Morrow. |
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Post by blny on Feb 24, 2018 14:12:34 GMT -5
Snowy sleeping is more like it. Davidson might be worth more than waivers, but he's not worth a third imo. He did play better in Edmonton, but snowy paid for a 4-5 and imo they got a 5-7.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 24, 2018 14:23:53 GMT -5
I wondered if Marc would put an offer out there to use all that cap space as an asset. We shall see.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 24, 2018 14:25:10 GMT -5
Snowy sleeping is more like it. Davidson might be worth more than waivers, but he's not worth a third imo. He did play better in Edmonton, but snowy paid for a 4-5 and imo they got a 5-7. Kind of wished we could have dumped one of our scary three for a third. |
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Post by PTH on Feb 24, 2018 14:25:45 GMT -5
Snowy sleeping is more like it. Davidson might be worth more than waivers, but he's not worth a third imo. He did play better in Edmonton, but snowy paid for a 4-5 and imo they got a 5-7. It's a deal between two iffy GMs so no one gets the benefit of the doubt. Also, it's deadline time, and prices go up because cap hit goes down. I'm still annoyed since we got him for Desharnais, and then wasted that asset, who turns out as having real value. Bad asset management on Berg's part. What makes is worse is how this is the kind of small-scale wheeling and dealing where Berg has tended to do well... |
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Post by PTH on Feb 24, 2018 14:31:14 GMT -5
Berg'a actions haven't indicated one way or the other, but his talk indicates a next year time frame, not 2-3 years. That is unrealistic and any moves toward that goal will keep us on blny's hamster wheel. And that really disappoints me to no end. We might be a borderline playoff team for a few years whereas taking a step back should allow taking 2 steps forward. Get the best possible C prospect for Pacioretty, right now, accept next season is a purely transitional one, and in 3 years we'll be thankful. And who knows, sometimes playing kids and a few smart signings make a team turn it around faster than expected. |
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Post by PTH on Feb 24, 2018 14:33:00 GMT -5
I wondered if Marc would put an offer out there to use all that cap space as an asset. We shall see. If we're looking at this season only, we can't do much with that cap room, but if we can look at least to one full season, maybe something meaningful can be acquired. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 24, 2018 14:37:53 GMT -5
I wondered if Marc would put an offer out there to use all that cap space as an asset. We shall see. If we're looking at this season only, we can't do much with that cap room, but if we can look at least to one full season, maybe something meaningful can be acquired. A team close to the cap this year could use this to land a big fish, if MTL takes a cap hit and gets a prospect and/ or picks in return. That same team can make their run this year, and figure out their longer term cap plan in the summer. There is still some short term value as a third party/team right now. If we take on cap for more than this season, then we better get something very good back. |
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Post by PTH on Feb 24, 2018 14:57:44 GMT -5
If we're looking at this season only, we can't do much with that cap room, but if we can look at least to one full season, maybe something meaningful can be acquired. A team close to the cap this year could use this to land a big fish, if MTL takes a cap hit and gets a prospect and/ or picks in return. That same team can make their run this year, and figure out their longer term cap plan in the summer. There is still some short term value as a third party/team right now. If we take on cap for more than this season, then we better get something very good back. Cap room for this season is of value, of course, it's just not going to be very much. I wouldn't expect more than a stalled prospect for taking on an expiring contract (stalled prospect like Fucale, essentially). Agreed on getting something truly interesting for a contract with term. Isn't that how the Leafs got Gardiner ? |
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Post by folatre on Feb 24, 2018 15:06:19 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Feb 24, 2018 16:32:11 GMT -5
A team close to the cap this year could use this to land a big fish, if MTL takes a cap hit and gets a prospect and/ or picks in return. That same team can make their run this year, and figure out their longer term cap plan in the summer. There is still some short term value as a third party/team right now. If we take on cap for more than this season, then we better get something very good back. Cap room for this season is of value, of course, it's just not going to be very much. I wouldn't expect more than a stalled prospect for taking on an expiring contract (stalled prospect like Fucale, essentially). Agreed on getting something truly interesting for a contract with term. Isn't that how the Leafs got Gardiner ? Had a look at hockeydb.com. Looks like the Leafs got Gardiner, Lupul & a 4th for Beauchemin in 2011. Seems like good deal. Gardiner is still there & they got some seasons out of Lupul. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 24, 2018 20:59:39 GMT -5
The satellite hotstove says Max Packed-io-retti wants to be dealt. Make his wish come true bergy.
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Post by blny on Feb 24, 2018 21:16:27 GMT -5
The satellite hotstove says Max Packed-io-retti wants to be dealt. Make his wish come true bergy. Kipper linking the Kings. They threw darts at the likes of Tanner Pearson and Tyler Toffoli as existing roster players, their first rounder, and Gabe Vilardi. The latter is a quality center prospect. I know Kings fans on HF feel Gabe would be a non-starter. They're not interested in parting with him. Pearson and Toffoli are both 25. They've both stalled developmentally imo as well. If Montreal could do something that got them Vilardi and Clague that would be a very good haul. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 24, 2018 21:51:49 GMT -5
Make. That. Trade. Marc.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 25, 2018 1:11:51 GMT -5
I’d do it even up for Vilardi alone.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 25, 2018 9:35:56 GMT -5
The Nash deal should start a domino, and also set the cost. A first and Ryan Lindgren (a second round prospect, Charlie’s bro, looked good at the WJC), Spooner (trading for centres is hard) for a rental. The Bs also get rid of two more years at $2m of his $4m (they retain 50%) for the Beleskey contract, so that gives them cap room to play with in the offseason. That is likely why the return looks a lot for an aged rental. But, it is a lot of assets for sure.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 25, 2018 9:45:01 GMT -5
In theory, Berg should be able to get more for Max if he was so inclined.
By tomorrow, I guess we can compare reality to theory.
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Post by madhabber on Feb 25, 2018 11:22:58 GMT -5
Gagnon on L'antichambre said there was no substance to the Max Pacted-already to LA rumour. For what it's worth.
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2018 11:46:35 GMT -5
In theory, Berg should be able to get more for Max if he was so inclined. By tomorrow, I guess we can compare reality to theory. Definitely has the feel of quantity over quantity. Retaining half of Nash's hit got them a first, a guy who'd been buried in the minors (at 50% retained), a guy who'd never really put it together in Boston and Lindgren who's a second round pick. Lindgren hasn't lit the world on fire in two years of college hockey. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 25, 2018 11:53:24 GMT -5
In theory, Berg should be able to get more for Max if he was so inclined. By tomorrow, I guess we can compare reality to theory. I prefer Nash because he can be a handful when he gets that big body driving towards the net. Maybe suitors are turned off by Pacioretty's long periods of indifferent play. |
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2018 11:59:18 GMT -5
In theory, Berg should be able to get more for Max if he was so inclined. By tomorrow, I guess we can compare reality to theory. I prefer Nash because he can be a handful when he gets that big body driving towards the net. Maybe suitors are turned off by Pacioretty's long periods of indifferent play. IMO, Nash has a longer history of indifferent play. He's the poster boy for under performing and not living up to potential. That's regular season and playoffs. When motivated, he can certainly dominate. But that's really quite rare. |
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2018 12:32:23 GMT -5
Two moves in that tweet.
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