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Post by seventeen on Feb 26, 2018 15:52:11 GMT -5
I'm really surprised how much VGK gave up for Tatar. I see that as the biggest over payment of the day. Yep, Holland made out like a bandit. Keeps confirming my opinion that McPhee is one guy you want to target if you're a rival GM.
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Post by blny on Feb 26, 2018 15:53:16 GMT -5
Considering Reilly's slight frame, I almost have to believe that he is a more cerebral player than Morrow. Because Morrow is totally fringe in the NHL despite being a good skater and having a hard accurate point shot. forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/9064
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Post by blny on Feb 26, 2018 15:53:49 GMT -5
I'm really surprised how much VGK gave up for Tatar. I see that as the biggest over payment of the day. Yep, Holland made out like a bandit. Keeps confirming my opinion that McPhee is one guy you want to target if you're a rival GM. They were the most active in attempt to get Karlsson
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 26, 2018 15:55:47 GMT -5
I'm really surprised how much VGK gave up for Tatar. I see that as the biggest over payment of the day. Yep, Holland made out like a bandit. Keeps confirming my opinion that McPhee is one guy you want to target if you're a rival GM. But Vegas, funny enough, is in win now mode
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Post by jkr on Feb 26, 2018 15:56:40 GMT -5
Does McPhee see something in Tatar that the rest of the league does not? Even Holland must be surprised.
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Post by folatre on Feb 26, 2018 15:59:04 GMT -5
Thanks, blny. There are some positive there, it seems. Though I must have been thinking of some other NCAA d-man type because he is not as diminutive as the player I was recalling.
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Post by blny on Feb 26, 2018 16:01:39 GMT -5
Thanks, blny. I must have been thinking of some other NCAA d-man type. NP. I've posed the question to Wild fans on HF. They echo some of the commentary in the forecaster report. Very skilled puck mover, prone to a mistake or two. He is slight. Needs to bulk up some. Needs to play.
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Post by blny on Feb 26, 2018 16:02:18 GMT -5
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Post by frozone on Feb 26, 2018 16:12:49 GMT -5
This deadline has been so typically Bergevin. There has been no apparent improvement towards establishing a speed and skill game. We shipped out 1 center and 2 lefty puck moving defensemen... oddly enough the two positions in which we are the weakest.
However, in a vacuum, the moves themselves have been quite decent. No major complaints with the Pleks trade. And turning Morrow into Reilly while essentially turning our 5th into a 4th is great. Why is Berg so good at orchestrating depth moves but stinks so much when trying to land core players?
In all, none of the moves made are likely to impact the future of this team, regardless of the fact that Berg "won" his trades. Perhaps the 2nd rounder that we acquired turns into another DLR, or maybe another Lehkonen if we're lucky. It's sad but it's true... despite being a deadline seller we addressed close to nothing.
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Post by folatre on Feb 26, 2018 16:34:50 GMT -5
Well, now the worry becomes on July 1, witnessing a press conference with Bergevin saying Montreal tried everything but Tavares went with a different offer but the good news is that Pacioretty a core piece and the captain of the franchise signed a six year extension and the annual cap hit is only 7.5 million.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 26, 2018 16:35:36 GMT -5
However, in a vacuum, the moves themselves have been quite decent. No major complaints with the Pleks trade. And turning Morrow into Reilly while essentially turning our 5th into a 4th is great. Why is Berg so good at orchestrating depth moves but stinks so much when trying to land core players? In all, none of the moves made are likely to impact the future of this team, regardless of the fact that Berg "won" his trades. Perhaps the 2nd rounder that we acquired turns into another DLR, or maybe another Lehkonen if we're lucky. It's sad but it's true... despite being a deadline seller we addressed close to nothing. Good question about the difficulties Berg has in landing core players. My own opinion is two-fold. In the past, I think his conservative nature has prevented him from taking a risk that could have turned out really well for the team, but might have blown up as well. The Drouin - Segachev deal is one that falls into that category which has yet to work itself out. In this case, the fact Drouin is French Canadian overrode any qualms Berg might have had about risk. The PK - Weber deal is another big one that Berg's ego forced on himself. Again, that hasn't been proven one way or the other, which is to be expected, but as both players age, it's quite likely the trade will look worse. Certainly, based on team fortunes alone, it's a huge win for Nashville, but that's not on Weber, it's on Bergevin for what he's done with the supporting cast. That's the case for the past. Right now, I suspect Bergevin has some handcuffs on him. I would think that a trade of any consequence would have to be approved by Molson, who would refer it to a committee or to one or two trusted talent appraisers (Timmins or someone outside the organization). The fact Max wasn't moved, therefore, may be good news in the long run. I very much look forward to a new GM after mid April.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 26, 2018 16:58:06 GMT -5
Some more on Reilly. 6'2" 195 is a lot bigger than when he first turned pro. Still a bit undersized on the skinny side, but not terrible. Depends on how he engages forwards physically. Guys like Markov have learnt to use their stick and angle of their body to be very effective without running a guy into the third row every rush.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 26, 2018 16:59:52 GMT -5
Kaboom.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 26, 2018 17:03:02 GMT -5
Grant feels Berg did okay. He also tweeted that we had disposable assets that likely nobody else wanted either. Hard to argue that point, but the biggie will still be not being able to move Patches. Will the market really be better at the draft? I guess we will find out in late June.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 26, 2018 17:06:27 GMT -5
Great thread ... a big "CHAPEAU" to Pierre Dorion ... I guess it's been really negative in Ottawa regarding the Senators (you Ottawa guys jump in any time) ... lots of bogus rumours, and I think Dorion also had enough of the damaging rumours on his relationship with Erik Karlsson ... I don't know what the rumours on that were, but they must bad enough if Dorion felt he had to mention it ... like what Winnipeg did today ... Paul Stastny will help the Jets ... his cap hit fits nicely ... I saw Lou Lamorello look somewhat impressed with the way the Leafs develop their prospects ... what a concept ... Cheers.
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Post by blny on Feb 26, 2018 17:54:05 GMT -5
Just because you have something doesn't mean people are willing to buy. Wilde can be ticked all he wants, but there's plenty of stuff that goes unsold and unwanted. We're stuck with Alzner I'm afraid. Maybe, maybe, you get a cap floor team on draft day to take him. No one was going to take him today.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 26, 2018 17:58:31 GMT -5
Grant feels Berg did okay. He also tweeted that we had disposable assets that likely nobody else wanted either. Hard to argue that point, but the biggie will still be not being able to move Patches. Will the market really be better at the draft? I guess we will find out in late June. Everything I see from McCagg is pro bergevin... In what way is it hard to move lousy assets when the Sens moved Johnny Freakin Oduya.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 26, 2018 18:01:02 GMT -5
Just because you have something doesn't mean people are willing to buy. Wilde can be ticked all he wants, but there's plenty of stuff that goes unsold and unwanted. We're stuck with Alzner I'm afraid. Maybe, maybe, you get a cap floor team on draft day to take him. No one was going to take him today. I fully agree. We may all want to see Alzner gone, but every other team sees that contract and his play on the ice and comes to the same conclusion...he is not tradable right now. Schlemko's cap hit of $2.1M for two more seasons after this one also likely prevented him from being dealt. Benn was the most likely of the fringe defenders. He has one more year at $1.1M and is a decent 6th option. I did not think Berg would get a taker for Morrow.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 26, 2018 18:03:41 GMT -5
Watching Tim and Sid and Habs were one topic. Sid nailed it. He has no idea what the Habs are doing. Bingo. No plan. No clear direction. Tim said the only thing that saves the Habs is signing Tavares but Sid thinks there’s a better chance of him losing 20 lbs than there is if Tavares signing in Habland. Can’t agree more.
#MeanderingMarc
PS. Chris Stephenson just on Tim and Sid and he said the same thing. He doesn't know what Montreal's plan is. Probsbly because there isn't one.
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Post by PTH on Feb 26, 2018 18:53:36 GMT -5
Just because you have something doesn't mean people are willing to buy. Wilde can be ticked all he wants, but there's plenty of stuff that goes unsold and unwanted. We're stuck with Alzner I'm afraid. Maybe, maybe, you get a cap floor team on draft day to take him. No one was going to take him today. I'm amazed we got anything for Morrow, and teams that just wanted random bodies had Ottawa waiving a bunch of players - it's a good way to get rid of contracts with zero obligation, but it also is garanteed to undersell.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 26, 2018 21:47:36 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 26, 2018 21:51:14 GMT -5
John Lu’s interview with Berg after his presser. The headline should give you a hint about what you will see if you watch it.
Proceed with caution!!
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Post by jkr on Feb 26, 2018 22:28:13 GMT -5
Watching Buffalo news. Botterilsaying they had only one legit offer for Kane.
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Post by folatre on Feb 26, 2018 22:35:20 GMT -5
Sure enough, it is just a "consistency" thing with this group. What is the deal with John Lu? Is he trying to bond with Bergevin by asking him so many gentle questions?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 26, 2018 23:37:38 GMT -5
John Lu’s interview with Berg after his presser. The headline should give you a hint about what you will see if you watch it. Proceed with caution!! Why did they trade for McDonaugh when Shlemko, Benn, Morrow and Alzner were available? Don't the other GM's think as highly of them as Bergevin does?
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Post by seventeen on Feb 27, 2018 1:58:00 GMT -5
John Lu’s interview with Berg after his presser. The headline should give you a hint about what you will see if you watch it. Proceed with caution!! Depressing. The man is delusional, but I guess he has no choice. “I’m good, really I am. I’m a wonderful GM. Just ask David Poile “.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 27, 2018 10:30:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 12:28:54 GMT -5
From TSN:
"New York has three first-round picks in June's draft. The Rangers also have two second-round picks, two third-round picks, a fourth, a fifth and a sixth for a total of 10 picks."
So, the Rangers know what they have to do to rebuild, but for Bergevin, the trades are just "too difficult."
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Post by blny on Feb 27, 2018 13:45:16 GMT -5
From TSN: "New York has three first-round picks in June's draft. The Rangers also have two second-round picks, two third-round picks, a fourth, a fifth and a sixth for a total of 10 picks." So, the Rangers know what they have to do to rebuild, but for Bergevin, the trades are just "too difficult." There's definitely a feeling they didn't get enough in that trade and Yzerman fleeced them. I don't know. A first, second that can become a first, Howden and Hajek seems pretty good to me. Miller and namestnikov are a wash. I'd say McD has higher standing than Max. He was the only appreciable player with term to move yesterday. Plekanec, Nash, Stastny; all ufa. What would help is if a clear indication of what was desired in return had come to light. Early reports were 3 to four pieces and a young center. Then it was a roster player who can come in right away and make an impact. Is one more accurate than the other? Did Berg change tactics when he wasn't getting what he wanted? The fact he denied shopping Max and Alex is laughable. It doesn't help. Instead, it should have been about stating the offers made on players in our system weren't enough to make me budge.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 27, 2018 14:31:54 GMT -5
Hajak looked really good to me at the WJC. Glad to see Tampa give him up. Howden is also a solid prospect though I think Hajek will actually have a higher ceiling. First and second round picks from 2016...the guys most teams were not willing to give up. Tampa's 1st won't be a high pick as they should go deep in the playoffs, but who knows? Injuries can play such a key role.
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