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Post by jkr on Dec 22, 2018 10:41:14 GMT -5
Kovalev was beyond frustrating for me. 06-07 is a prime example. After beating Boston in Game #80, we had two games to go....fighting for our playoff lives. @ Rangers; @ Leafs. Kovalev had just said that playoff time was HIS time....or something to that effect. Game 81. We lost to the Rangers 3-1....with Souray scoring late on a PP to break the shutout. Kovalev was -2 with 2 shots. Game 82. April 7th. The very day I had my Habs' memorabilia signed by Jean Beliveau in my city. As I thanked him, I added, "I wish you could lace them up tonight!" He said, "Me, too! I loved those type of game!" (I kept the French-English plural-singular the way he said it....it's etched in my memory.) Now, with help from hockey-reference..... A must win in Toronto. We fell behind 3-1, then Ryder's natural trick and a goal from Higgins put us up 5-3. Leafs made it 5-4...then Begin took a dumb penalty at the end of the second period. Koivu was called early in the third, and the Leafs got 2 power-play goals to go up 6-5. We'd scored 5 goals and Kovalev hadn't been in on any of them. In fact, he was -2 with 0 shots on goal when Carbonneau benched him at some point in the third period. He played only 13:14. I don't think Carbo even put him out with the extra man. Kovalev was electrifying. And he could go on streaks of "MEH" at the most inopportune times. EDIT: The only good thing was that the next day the Islanders beat the Devils in a shoot-out....and Toronto also missed the playoffs. I remember that game well. I was in MTL watching with fellow fans which was a rare occurrence for me. I recall Huet stinking pretty bad in that game. The other thing your post brings to mind is the lousy way Ryder was treated by Gainey; how he could never get a multi year deal no matter how well he played. He proved how clutch he was in that game. Another one of Gainey's mistakes.  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 22, 2018 14:34:29 GMT -5
Kovalev was beyond frustrating for me. 06-07 is a prime example. After beating Boston in Game #80, we had two games to go....fighting for our playoff lives. @ Rangers; @ Leafs. Kovalev had just said that playoff time was HIS time....or something to that effect. Game 81. We lost to the Rangers 3-1....with Souray scoring late on a PP to break the shutout. Kovalev was -2 with 2 shots. Game 82. April 7th. The very day I had my Habs' memorabilia signed by Jean Beliveau in my city. As I thanked him, I added, "I wish you could lace them up tonight!" He said, "Me, too! I loved those type of game!" (I kept the French-English plural-singular the way he said it....it's etched in my memory.) Now, with help from hockey-reference..... A must win in Toronto. We fell behind 3-1, then Ryder's natural trick and a goal from Higgins put us up 5-3. Leafs made it 5-4...then Begin took a dumb penalty at the end of the second period. Koivu was called early in the third, and the Leafs got 2 power-play goals to go up 6-5. We'd scored 5 goals and Kovalev hadn't been in on any of them. In fact, he was -2 with 0 shots on goal when Carbonneau benched him at some point in the third period. He played only 13:14. I don't think Carbo even put him out with the extra man. Kovalev was electrifying. And he could go on streaks of "MEH" at the most inopportune times. EDIT: The only good thing was that the next day the Islanders beat the Devils in a shoot-out....and Toronto also missed the playoffs. I was watching this game from a local tavern here in town ... the Leafs simply wanted it more than the Habs did that night ... that said, though, your post reminded me of when the Leafs had to play back-to-back games in Montreal in the last few weeks of the 2005-06 season ... the scheduling wasn't thought out very well and the Leafs needed to win both games to keep them in the hunt for the playoffs ... the Habs won the first game 5-1 * and the second game 6-2 * and, while the Leafs made a run of it despite back-to-back losses to Montreal, they still missed the playoffs that year ... good times ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Dec 22, 2018 14:46:07 GMT -5
Anyone that does this to the that little rat is aces in my book.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 22, 2018 15:16:31 GMT -5
Ha! That play occurred near the end of the second game to which Dis referred above.
Tucker had just missed him with a wicked high stick. Tucker was out there for one reason, as he also took a wild swing at our dman.
Looked really good on him.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 22, 2018 21:58:38 GMT -5
Cherry with more revisionist history as to why he didn't win a Cup.
Post-game, Toronto vs. Rangers game, paraphrased...
CHERRY CLAIM:
When we were flyin' back and forth to L.A., Montreal was up here beatin' Toronto 4 straight.....
INCORRECT
FACT CHECK:
Boston played L.A. in Round 2, 1976-77. Montreal played St. Louis. Toronto played Philadelphia.
When Montreal swept Toronto in both of the next two seasons, Boston faced Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, respectively.
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Post by jkr on Dec 23, 2018 12:44:40 GMT -5
It's very frustrating that a large network with ample resources would let Cherry spew lies and misinformation. I put this on Scott Moore of Rogers. He continues to put Cherry & his lapdog, Mclean, out there every week. There is never any attempt to rein him in or correct the mistakes. It's bush league TV.
There are Twitter accounts that keep track of the Trump lies & mistakes. It's time someone did it for Cherry.
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Post by folatre on Dec 23, 2018 12:48:57 GMT -5
The devils sporting the classic green pants today. It is not helping them play good hockey but I like the look with the road whites.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 23, 2018 13:24:27 GMT -5
It's very frustrating that a large network with ample resources would let Cherry spew lies and misinformation. I put this on Scott Moore of Rogers. He continues to put Cherry & his lapdog, Mclean, out there every week. There is never any attempt to rein him in or correct the mistakes. It's bush league TV. There are Twitter accounts that keep track of the Trump lies & mistakes. It's time someone did it for Cherry. I had a thread going on this board...but I deleted it. It was getting mean-spirited on my part, I admit. But every once in a while, I have to call him on it. It's been too easy for him, uncontested like that. That said, he has done a lot of wonderful things for Canadian hockey with his fame....and his support for the military, police, and firefighters has been singular in that regard on Canadian TV. Otherwise, where would we have seen it? |
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Post by blny on Dec 23, 2018 13:30:48 GMT -5
The devils sporting the classic green pants today. It is not helping them play good hockey but I like the look with the road whites. Should bring those back permanently. |
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Post by blny on Dec 23, 2018 13:32:50 GMT -5
It's very frustrating that a large network with ample resources would let Cherry spew lies and misinformation. I put this on Scott Moore of Rogers. He continues to put Cherry & his lapdog, Mclean, out there every week. There is never any attempt to rein him in or correct the mistakes. It's bush league TV. There are Twitter accounts that keep track of the Trump lies & mistakes. It's time someone did it for Cherry. I had a thread going on this board...but I deleted it. It was getting mean-spirited on my part, I admit. But every once in a while, I have to call him on it. It's been too easy for him, uncontested like that. That said, he has done a lot of wonderful things for Canadian hockey with his fame....and his support for the military, police, and firefighters has been singular in that regard on Canadian TV. Otherwise, where would we have seen it? This is where I lost a lot of respect for MacLean. There was a time when he kept Cherry in line and called him on his bs. AFAIC, the tipping point was Rose's death - who also called Don on his bs. When she passed, he dropped whatever filter he had and Ron stopped moderating. Ron is nothing more than a mic stand now. |
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 23, 2018 13:46:42 GMT -5
Boston also beat L.A. in Round 2, 1975-76, but lost to Philly 4-1 in Round 3.
Nothing to do with Montreal beating Toronto.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 23, 2018 13:47:45 GMT -5
Cherry with more revisionist history as to why he didn't win a Cup. Post-game, Toronto vs. Rangers game, paraphrased... CHERRY CLAIM: When we were flyin' back and forth to L.A., Montreal was up here beatin' Toronto 4 straight.....INCORRECT FACT CHECK: Boston played L.A. in Round 2, 1976-77. Montreal played St. Louis. Toronto played Philadelphia. When Montreal swept Toronto in both of the next two seasons, Boston faced Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, respectively. The right attitude, guys, is to make him redundant. Don't watch Coaches Corner. I haven't in several years. Don Cherry is meaningless to me. I suspect most of his audience is from southern Ontario, but if they were the ONLY audience, it might get some attention at the network. |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 23, 2018 13:48:40 GMT -5
I had a thread going on this board...but I deleted it. It was getting mean-spirited on my part, I admit. But every once in a while, I have to call him on it. It's been too easy for him, uncontested like that. That said, he has done a lot of wonderful things for Canadian hockey with his fame....and his support for the military, police, and firefighters has been singular in that regard on Canadian TV. Otherwise, where would we have seen it? This is where I lost a lot of respect for MacLean. There was a time when he kept Cherry in line and called him on his bs. AFAIC, the tipping point was Rose's death - who also called Don on his bs. When she passed, he dropped whatever filter he had and Ron stopped moderating. Ron is nothing more than a mic stand now. Bring back Dave Hodge! |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Dec 23, 2018 14:05:56 GMT -5
This is where I lost a lot of respect for MacLean. There was a time when he kept Cherry in line and called him on his bs. AFAIC, the tipping point was Rose's death - who also called Don on his bs. When she passed, he dropped whatever filter he had and Ron stopped moderating. Ron is nothing more than a mic stand now. Bring back Dave Hodge! And those light blue blazers! |
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Post by franko on Dec 23, 2018 14:07:48 GMT -5
It's very frustrating that a large network with ample resources would let Cherry spew lies and misinformation. I put this on Scott Moore of Rogers. He continues to put Cherry & his lapdog, Mclean, out there every week. knew I'd find it . . . Moore Retiresnow . . . will it make any difference? |
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Post by franko on Dec 23, 2018 14:09:34 GMT -5
This is where I lost a lot of respect for MacLean. There was a time when he kept Cherry in line and called him on his bs. AFAIC, the tipping point was Rose's death - who also called Don on his bs. When she passed, he dropped whatever filter he had and Ron stopped moderating. Ron is nothing more than a mic stand now. Bring back Dave Hodge! |
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Post by blny on Dec 23, 2018 14:25:33 GMT -5
This is where I lost a lot of respect for MacLean. There was a time when he kept Cherry in line and called him on his bs. AFAIC, the tipping point was Rose's death - who also called Don on his bs. When she passed, he dropped whatever filter he had and Ron stopped moderating. Ron is nothing more than a mic stand now. Bring back Dave Hodge! If he tossed the pen, and it took out Cherry, would DoPS get in touch with him? |
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Post by blny on Dec 23, 2018 14:27:07 GMT -5
And those light blue blazers! They tried the blazers recently. I thought they were a shiny fail. Whoever made them got the fabric all wrong imo. These were a gloss of some kind, or at least that's they way they came off on camera. The old ones were matte. For Heaven's sake, the ones they got this fall didn't even fit some of the panelists. Did they not take measurements? |
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Post by folatre on Dec 23, 2018 15:02:40 GMT -5
I am not a big NFL guy, so I have been watching New Jersey and Columbus and thinking about what a strange situation the Blue Jackets will soon find themselves in as the calendar turns to 2019.
How often does a small market team with two of the their best five players on the roster as pending UFAs allow them to walk for nothing? Probably not very often. However, Columbus is solidly sitting in a non-wildcard playoff spot at Christmas and given the weakness of the Metropolitan Division they have no reason to fear the ignominy of keeping Bobrovsky and Panarin only to miss the playoffs altogether. Plus, Bobrovsky is not having a Vezina campaign this season but he has been playing well lately and he is their #1 guy in net make no mistake about; and Panarin has 39 points in 34 games and that guy is flat out elite.
My sense is that Columbus is going to keep Bobrovsky for sure and will only move Panarin if a suitor tables up able and willing to part with a strong package (i.e. way more than Kane and Nash went for at last season's deadline).
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 23, 2018 16:01:15 GMT -5
Cherry with more revisionist history as to why he didn't win a Cup. Post-game, Toronto vs. Rangers game, paraphrased... CHERRY CLAIM: When we were flyin' back and forth to L.A., Montreal was up here beatin' Toronto 4 straight.....INCORRECT FACT CHECK: Boston played L.A. in Round 2, 1976-77. Montreal played St. Louis. Toronto played Philadelphia. When Montreal swept Toronto in both of the next two seasons, Boston faced Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, respectively. The right attitude, guys, is to make him redundant. Don't watch Coaches Corner. I haven't in several years. Don Cherry is meaningless to me. I suspect most of his audience is from southern Ontario, but if they were the ONLY audience, it might get some attention at the network. Cherry has made himself a staple of Canadian hockey broadcasting. He's not going anywhere. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be called on his fabrications. |
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Post by blny on Dec 23, 2018 17:10:08 GMT -5
Cherry with more revisionist history as to why he didn't win a Cup. Post-game, Toronto vs. Rangers game, paraphrased... CHERRY CLAIM: When we were flyin' back and forth to L.A., Montreal was up here beatin' Toronto 4 straight.....INCORRECT FACT CHECK: Boston played L.A. in Round 2, 1976-77. Montreal played St. Louis. Toronto played Philadelphia. When Montreal swept Toronto in both of the next two seasons, Boston faced Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, respectively. The right attitude, guys, is to make him redundant. Don't watch Coaches Corner. I haven't in several years. Don Cherry is meaningless to me. I suspect most of his audience is from southern Ontario, but if they were the ONLY audience, it might get some attention at the network. I haven't for years. There's a lot of sheep out there though. |
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Post by blny on Dec 23, 2018 21:18:51 GMT -5
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 23, 2018 22:18:49 GMT -5
Here's Hodge explaining himself about 2 years later--1989. I didn't know that was a huge Habs' fan growing up. But he somehow managed to put partisanship aside for broadcasting. He'd be a killjoy on that Toronto-fanboy broadcast now, wouldn't he? But a breath of refreshing, objective air for the rest of us. |
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Post by blny on Dec 23, 2018 22:24:12 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Dec 24, 2018 7:28:08 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Dec 24, 2018 10:16:26 GMT -5
I posted the game highlights last night. They had Brass Bonanza going too. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2018 10:23:40 GMT -5
Anyone that does this to the that little rat is aces in my book. Tucker deserved much more than what Kovalev gave him. Reminds me of Prust on Marchand. Prust on the fine for the stick work. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Dec 24, 2018 11:11:35 GMT -5
Some folks, including the predictably over-the-top Jack Edwards, taking being offended at this far too seriously. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 24, 2018 14:32:52 GMT -5
Anyone that does this to the that little rat is aces in my book. Tucker deserved much more than what Kovalev gave him. Reminds me of Prust on Marchand. Prust on the fine for the stick work. The indignation of the NESN broadcaster is hilarious.... are you kidding me? The cheap shot Boston Bruins who were a bunch of criminals on the ice and stole a cup, with the leagues assistance, in 2011. |
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 24, 2018 15:12:25 GMT -5
And the Habs were a Michael Ryder save away from beating the Bruins in Rnd. 1, 2011.
Late, supposedly illegal "sending-a-message" fights against the Lightning in the Conf. Finals. Nothing. The nonsense in the Finals when Aaron Rome was suspended for a "late" hit on Nathan Horton...only to have Johnny Boychuk receive nothing for driving Mason Raymond into the boards, well after the play, breaking Raymond's tailbone.
In Round 1 vs. the Habs, Andrew Ference gave the finger to the Montreal crowd....and received only a fine. Later in that series, he drove his shoulder into Jeff Halpern's head, blindsided. Nothing.
The Chara-Pacioretty fiasco was indicative of the favouritism of the Bruins that year...and it just continued.
That team was UGLY. And Julien fit right into that culture with his in-game ravings and defence of his players' dirt. Survival, I suppose. Do what the boss wants.
Ugly.
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