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Post by Skilly on Dec 27, 2018 20:28:11 GMT -5
Not sure if this was explained in the videos, but Dave Hodge was upset at another event that day. The day was March 14th, 1987. In the afternoon, British Columbia was playing Newfoundland in the semi-final of the Labatt Brier. The CBC cut away from the game for the NDP Convention, so no one saw how it ended (8-6 for BC) So later on in the night, when the CBC cut away from the overtime of the Habs-Flyers game (who were both in first place), it was another thing to tick him off and Well , that's why Hodge says "That's the wAy we do things at the CBC" The NHL isn't the only sport with moments like this ... The Heidi Game in the NFL will live in infamy. The Raiders and the Jets in one of the most exciting comebacks that no one ever saw because the game cut away for the airing of Heidi EDIT - after posting, I watch the videos on the last page and it was explained in one of CH's videos. The only thing not explained was the Brier cut away for the NDP Convention. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 1, 2019 10:45:58 GMT -5
I could do garbage ... Meet Dan Shrader, the full-time sanitation
worker who the Winnipeg Jets call upon for draft adviceBy Brad Elliott Schlossman on Dec 31, 2018 at 9:10 a.m.Dan Shrader weaves his garbage truck through the streets of Edina, listening to music from the 1960s and 70s. It’s the late morning. He’s been awake since 4:45 a.m., working since 5:30 a.m., and has made more than a hundred stops by now. At each one, he climbs out of the truck, picks up garbage cans and puts them on the truck’s dumping mechanism. There’s no automatic pickup that allows him to hide from the labor or elements. “Whether it’s 70 or minus-70,” Shrader says, “I’m getting out at every stop and touching every can.” As the clock approaches 11 a.m., Shrader grabs his phone from the center console. He turns off the music and dials a phone number and passcode. He gets patched into a conference call. It plays through the truck’s speakers. On the other end of the phone: the front office of one of the NHL’s best teams and most successful scouting staffs, the Winnipeg Jets. They want advice from the 38-year-old Prior Lake, Minn., resident who is in the middle of his daily garbage route. That may sound odd, but this is a routine that happens at least once a month. Shrader is an amateur scout for the Jets. He’s in charge of watching the Minnesota region for prospects. No, he’s not your typical scout. He never played in the NHL. He never played college or pro hockey. He never played organized hockey growing up, period. He’s a full-time sanitation worker in the Twin Cities, who spends 50 hours a week driving a daily garbage route, dumping trash at the landfill and helping manage a 32-truck fleet. ( more) |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 1, 2019 13:56:53 GMT -5
Great story Dis... thanks for posting
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Post by seventeen on Jan 2, 2019 1:26:16 GMT -5
That is really cool. I totally believe you don't have to have played a sport to understand it well and Shrader is an excellent example.
I worked on a garbage truck at age 18 for a couple of months, summer job between school years. Fortunately it was summer, so I got a tan, lots of exercise and good pay (city union job). As a student, you appreciate that stuff.
PS. It was rarely smelly too. About half was bags, but back then, half still used metal cans. The tin and aluminum ones were fine, but the galvanized steel were bloody heavy. LIke I said, good exercise and incentive to do something else with your life.
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Post by folatre on Jan 5, 2019 22:49:22 GMT -5
The Habs just finished a great month of December (10-5) and yet it has prove impossible thus far to climb the standings. Boston did not buckle with all of their injuries as I so much wanted. Montreal and Boston did make up ground on Buffalo.
And perhaps the most curious story line of all right now is the Islanders who are now riding a six game win streak.
It is starting to feel like the 9th place team in the East this season will have just as many points in their pocket as the Panthers last season (96) and the same crestfallen feeling Florida had.
Boston is the team I really want to be nosed out of the end, but more realistically I think it will be Buffalo if Montreal manages to get in.
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Post by blny on Jan 5, 2019 23:31:39 GMT -5
The Habs just finished a great month of December (10-5) and yet it has prove impossible thus far to climb the standings. Boston did not buckle with all of their injuries as I so much wanted. Montreal and Boston did make up ground on Buffalo. And perhaps the most curious story line of all right now is the Islanders who are now riding a six game win streak. It is starting to feel like the 9th place team in the East this season will have just as many points in their pocket as the Panthers last season (96) and the same crestfallen feeling Florida had. Boston is the team I really want to be nosed out of the end, but more realistically I think it will be Buffalo if Montreal manages to get in. No question that while win streaks are important, timing is too. I'm pleased that their play didn't fall off in December. It has been a tough month in the past. Staff will have to be putting a plan in place for the dead line. I've seen no indication of a plan to add. Everyone monitoring the club seems convinced that Montreal won't be sacrificing the future for the present. So cross off buying. Do they proactively sell? Hard to say. I don't think they will. If someone comes knocking and offers up a too-good-too-be-true deal, they need to be ready to evaluate and decide. I think this is probably the most likely scenario. |
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Post by folatre on Jan 6, 2019 12:34:28 GMT -5
That is my sense too, blny. When you are basically on the bubble and the first round matchups in the East promise to be very complicated for the wildcards (and for the Atlantic #3 seed for that matter), I think that Molson and Bergevin need to follow through with what they claim to be doing strategically -- building for the future.
The Habs are competitive but Montreal does not look like a contender. The best players on the move at the deadline (Duchene, Stone, perhaps Panarin) would cost a fortune. And the other complementary pieces on the move (Muzzin, Kronwall, Faulk, Zuccarello, etc.), even if the cost is not excessive, probably do not make sense because Montreal's roster plus one of these guys would not suddenly be primed to make a run at the Cup.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 6, 2019 16:32:29 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jan 6, 2019 17:02:29 GMT -5
Can't hear that song and not thing of Reservoir Dogs. We're still on the hamster wheel wrt to where we are compared to others, but the prospect depth has taken a marked up tick. I'm still prepared to sell. We have only one prominent UFA. That's Jordie Benn. He's a bottom pair guy that can be used on either side of the ice. There should be interest from teams looking to add depth and guys that can play a regular shift. He's not expensive. For all his warts, he should be able to fetch a 5th round pick. I'd shop Schlemko if he were healthy. I don't see the club actively shopping any of the players acquired last summer. It will take an offer from an aggressive club to get one likely. |
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Post by folatre on Jan 6, 2019 21:14:19 GMT -5
I see it the same way. The Habs will not be sellers because for me they are going to be right on the bubble and like you say there is not much that management wants to be rid of (Bergevin has basically acquired nearly everyone on the roster and the team is exceeding expectations).
Of course it would be a dream to unload Alzner but that is not happening, not even if Montreal was willing to retain the 50 percent max. He is just not an effective enough player in today's NHL for anyone to see $2.3075 million per for the following three seasons to be a rational hockey decision let alone a rational business decision.
I would shop Schlemko too. But the guy is the epitome of a career third pair journeyman (and based on his two seasons in Montreal we can add the label injury prone) and who would want him at $2.1 million for 2019-20. Bergevin could probably move him if the Habs retain 40-50 percent of his contract, though Molson may question whether acquiring a sixth round pick is really worth paying a million USD for Schlemko to play for another club. Also, my sense is that Julien likes him. For me assuming Mete, Reilly and Kulak do not get injured before Schlemko comes off the IR, I would have no problem placing him on waivers.
Benn's case is kind of tricky. Obviously the coaches love him and Bergevin invested decision making capital in him (protecting him in the expansion draft). But I really wonder if Juulsen had not been injured and demoted to Laval, would Benn truly be indispensable right now if the right side of the defense would have been Weber, Petry and Juulsen? And the thing is that Benn apparently feels more comfortable playing the right side. Would flipping Benn for a fifth at the deadline derail the playoff push? I think the impact would be pretty negligible. However, I would not have a problem with just keeping him if the Habs are still on track to qualify for the postseason. The thing that I really want is for the organization to just say no to extending Benn prematurely and even in the event of giving him one more year under no circumstances giving more than a one year contract. Moving forward, unless Bergevin is secretly planning to trade to Weber or Petry, then there is no reason to commit much to another guy who primarily plays on the right side when the organization has Juulsen, Fleury, and Brook.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 10, 2019 13:57:36 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Jan 10, 2019 15:36:07 GMT -5
That is really cool. I totally believe you don't have to have played a sport to understand it well and Shrader is an excellent example. I worked on a garbage truck at age 18 for a couple of months, summer job between school years. Fortunately it was summer, so I got a tan, lots of exercise and good pay (city union job). As a student, you appreciate that stuff. PS. It was rarely smelly too. About half was bags, but back then, half still used metal cans. The tin and aluminum ones were fine, but the galvanized steel were bloody heavy. LIke I said, good exercise and incentive to do something else with your life. Hockey isn't rocket science nor do you have to be an "insider" to understand it. Vision, skill, athleticism, "instincts", willingness to work had and sacrifice are common to all physical sports. Soccer has much parallelism to hockey. Football has it too in reading the play and physicality. You worked on a garbage truck, but I bet you didn't clean bathrooms! LOL! My wife gets nasty when the "professional" mock inspects her work! ANY work is good work. |
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Post by folatre on Jan 11, 2019 10:33:05 GMT -5
Yes, it sounds as though Bobrovsky is not handling his relationships with coaches and management with the utmost professionalism. But Bobrovsky's anger about being pulled against Tampa and telling Kekaleinen where to stick it are just symptoms of the bigger underlying problem. It is pretty obvious that a two time Vezina winner feels Columbus has not made him a fair contract offer since July 1 when he became eligible to sign an extension. A person who I believe told me that Davidson and Kekaleinen will not go above 6 years/$50 million with only modest signing bonus money and lockout protection.
This person also said John Davidson was incredulous and irate when he heard the term, AAV, signing bonus magnitude that Marc Bergevin gave to Price on the very first day that Price was eligible for an extension.
This is not Price's fault. But I remember saying at the time that the next test case (Bobrovsky) and the following one (Holtby) will prove that Bergevin is out of step with the direction the league went in terms of valuations of goalies in the context of constructing a Cup contender. Bobrovsky and Holtby both will be the same age as Price when their UFA years begin and I am increasingly confident that neither, regardless of their considerable accomplishments and elite status, will receive anything close to the $84 million that Price received.
It is odd. In a sense, Montreal did not really alter the market for elite goalies because a contract that ultimately proves to be an outlier was not a paradigm changer. But the problem for Kekaleinen is that the moment Price signed that deal the stage was set for the breakdown of their relationship with Bobrovsky.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 11, 2019 11:24:10 GMT -5
Price's contract is an aberration. He had Berg over a barrel.
Without Price, I don't know if we'd have made the playoffs at all under this management.
The amount of points Price stole in Berg's first 3 years was astronomical.
Look how we collapsed in 2015-16 without him. And that was WITH a better overall D than we have now.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 11, 2019 11:38:00 GMT -5
We have a CBJ second round pick (Pacioretty deal), so I want them to self-destruct and spiral out of control.  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 12, 2019 14:12:19 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Jan 12, 2019 14:42:45 GMT -5
Come on Edwards, explain that pathetic turtling. I want to hear your lame excuse.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 10:23:11 GMT -5
Typical Marchand. Picks his spots and hides when challenged.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 13, 2019 12:48:08 GMT -5
... and so it begins ...
... the Leafs window is now ...
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Post by folatre on Jan 13, 2019 16:00:31 GMT -5
So the Leafs balked at giving Marner 8 years/$72 million before the season started?
Well, the price has gone up. If Dubas wants to lock him up to maximum term, then it will probably cost Toronto at least $76 million if not $80+. If Dubas wants to keep the AAV down in the eight range in order to keep Gardiner and maybe add another piece, then he may only get Marner to agree to four or five years.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 14, 2019 0:17:15 GMT -5
Wait till he starts negotiating with Matthews. His job was tough before the Tavares signing. It's exponentially more difficult now. I wonder if he and Shanahan truly thought there'd be some hometown discounts appearing? Between the two, I can see at least $20MM in CAP space being used up, if not more. Arizona is lurking with pen in hand.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 14, 2019 8:21:04 GMT -5
I wonder if he and Shanahan truly thought there'd be some hometown discounts appearing? That's the gist I'm getting ... Cheers. Brendan Shanahan: Leafs expect young stars to take less money to stay together ( link) "When I get together with some of my old mates from the Cup years in Detroit ... we talk about winning together and growing together, and that's what we remember," Shanahan said. "We all found a way to fit with each other so that we could keep adding to the group."That's obviously what we're asking some of our young leaders to do."The Response Matthews on Leafs’ hope players take less: ‘That’s why we have agents’ ( link) “That’s why we have agents, right? They can talk to management, and we’ll just play hockey,” Matthews told reporters after Wednesday’s win. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 14, 2019 8:48:25 GMT -5
Wait till he starts negotiating with Matthews. His job was tough before the Tavares signing. It's exponentially more difficult now. I wonder if he and Shanahan truly thought there'd be some hometown discounts appearing? Between the two, I can see at least $20MM in CAP space being used up, if not more. Arizona is lurking with pen in hand. Didn't Shanahan learn from the Nylander holdout? There will be no discounts. Matthews will get the max, no matter what & the Leafs will match whatever he is offered. If anyone gets an offer sheet it should be Marner. The Leafs will match but it would put them in big cap difficulty with 2 guys potentially making around 22 million. |
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Post by blny on Jan 14, 2019 8:56:34 GMT -5
Matthews isn't taking less than McDavid, and given the season Marner is having you'd be hard pressed to get him to take any less.
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Post by folatre on Jan 14, 2019 9:11:14 GMT -5
I agree, jkr. The way things unfolded with Nylander is a cautionary tale. Marner and Matthews are not leaving money on the table (Shanahan never did). I anticipate that in the end Dubas will just settle for getting them signed to five year deals that will turn them loose on the UFA market when they are 26 years old. After all, if push come to shove, Dubas will probably figure that either Toronto wins the Cup before those deals expire or else he would be fired anyway.
I am not so sure all the talk about offer sheets for elite RFAs makes them any likelier materialize. Yes, guys like Marner and Matthews are tempting but the old boys club generally respects their unwritten rules. And while a club like Arizona could sure use the injection of fan interest that Matthews would bring, there would have to be new ownership in place because the present owner has basically been on financial life support from day one, depending on the league borrowing mechanism to cover operating losses and they do not have the resources to partner with the state and Phoenix for a downtown arena.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 14, 2019 9:24:46 GMT -5
When is the pro sport salary bubble going to burst?
i.e. how long can fans support these ticket, merch prices?
My brothers and I took our 86-year-old father to the Leafs-Preds game last week.
Knocking on $400 each to sit 14 rows up. Great seats, but...
Leafs were shut out, to boot! Preds played a perfect road game.
(Took some guilty pleasure in seeing Subban score to make it 2-0. heh)
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Post by blny on Jan 14, 2019 9:30:45 GMT -5
When is the pro sport salary bubble going to burst? i.e. how long can fans support these ticket, merch prices? My brothers and I took our 86-year-old father to the Leafs-Preds game last week. Knocking on $400 each to sit 14 rows up. Great seats, but... Leafs were shut out, to boot! Preds played a perfect road game. (Took some guilty pleasure in seeing Subban score to make it 2-0. heh) In the end, I think it's going to take from the lower end. The stars will make their money, but the middling guys will start to get pinched at some point - like in other sports. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 14, 2019 10:04:56 GMT -5
When is the pro sport salary bubble going to burst? i.e. how long can fans support these ticket, merch prices? My brothers and I took our 86-year-old father to the Leafs-Preds game last week. Knocking on $400 each to sit 14 rows up. Great seats, but... Leafs were shut out, to boot! Preds played a perfect road game. (Took some guilty pleasure in seeing Subban score to make it 2-0. heh) In the end, I think it's going to take from the lower end. The stars will make their money, but the middling guys will start to get pinched at some point - like in other sports. Seeing how often the lower-lines players are moving around nowadays I'd say it's affecting them now ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Jan 14, 2019 10:18:41 GMT -5
In the end, I think it's going to take from the lower end. The stars will make their money, but the middling guys will start to get pinched at some point - like in other sports. Seeing how often the lower-lines players are moving around nowadays I'd say it's affecting them now ... Cheers. At some point I think it will start to infringe on the 3rd liners as well. We've discussed the model here before, where the bottom six and bottom pair avg $1 million or less. Cap next year is projected to be $83 million. If you allow for a 3rd line center at a wager higher than the rest of that model, and figure for $10 million spent on those 8 players, you've got $73 million for the other 15 (if you go to the limit of 23). Drilling down with the Leafs as the example: Matthews $13 million Marner $12 million Tavares $11 million Nylander $6.926 million That's $42.96 million for your top 4 forwards. Leaves you $30 million for 11 players. Kadri and Marleau are eating up $10.75 million of that. Marleau would certainly have to be sacrificed. Kadri you could keep around, it just means you're going even cheaper on your wingers. Given their defense though, I'd be looking to move him. |
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Post by blny on Jan 14, 2019 10:33:01 GMT -5
 That's very thin down the left side. They could just barely afford to hold onto Marleau for the last year of his deal, but that defense is grim. If they could pawn him off, that's where some of that cash would need to go. Gardiner is a UFA, and someone will over pay for him. |
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