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Post by folatre on Dec 8, 2018 15:01:53 GMT -5
St. Louis keeps their 2019 pick if it is top 10. However, Buffalo is set up nicely regardless.
Philadelphia is still scuffling along so an active Fletcher probably means selling at the deadline rather than buying immediate help this season.
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Post by jkr on Dec 8, 2018 15:25:50 GMT -5
Philly actually showing something today in Buffalo. After falling behind courtesy of 2 nice goals by Eichel, they now lead 6-2 in the 3rd. After a questionable hit by Gudas in the final minute (what a surprise), he is challenged by Beaulieu. NB gets some good shots in. As an aside - just saw two fans in Brad May & Miro Satan jerseys.  |
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Post by folatre on Dec 8, 2018 15:48:49 GMT -5
Cool. I know that I am in a minority here but I would have kept Beaulieu before I protected Jordie Benn or traded for Schlemko (who was basically same contract as Beaulieu). Beaulieu is playing well this season (as he did in my opinion in 2016-17) and, though I am not advocating for seeing more fighting in the contemporary game, I like having a dude on the third pairing who can step into the fray when some liberties are taken and Beaulieu knows how to handle himself there.
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Post by PTH on Dec 8, 2018 16:19:19 GMT -5
Cool. I know that I am in a minority here but I would have kept Beaulieu before I protected Jordie Benn or traded for Schlemko (who was basically same contract as Beaulieu). Beaulieu is playing well this season (as he did in my opinion in 2016-17) and, though I am not advocating for seeing more fighting in the contemporary game, I like having a dude on the third pairing who can step into the fray when some liberties are taken and Beaulieu knows how to handle himself there. The thing I can't figure out is how bad he is in the room and attitude-wise. Is he just a bit too cocky, and with Weber and Price in the room things stay under control, or is he an out of control cokehead who leads other kids into drugs, alcohol and overindulgence of puckbunnies ? (I have no special information either way. NHL lawyers, please don't sue me. I'm poor anyways). But based on his on-ice play, I would have just not traded him before the expansion draft... either we lose him instead of Emelin, or we have him the next season. And you're right that he's better than Schlemko, who we basically got as a more expensive replacement. ----- I think a lot of people don't get how expansion works: it doesn't matter what you do, you lose an asset. You can't "not lose a guy by trading him", you'll just lose someone else, instead. A team with 1 clear best unprotected asset is in a special situation, but there aren't that many of those. And I'd rather have lost Beaulieu and kept Emelin than have gotten a 3d for Beaulieu as we did, and had a desperately thin left side on D. in short: Emelin or Beaulieu and a 5th for Schlemko and a 3d isn't a good deal for us. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 8, 2018 17:13:57 GMT -5
I like the fact Beaulieu could handle himself... he's not a heavyweight but he can get his shots in... quick hands... I could have seen him and tkachuk go at it for years
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Post by folatre on Dec 8, 2018 20:20:33 GMT -5
Great point about the expansion draft, PTH. Bergevin is certainly not the only GM that made that entire exercise in decision making way more complicated than it needed to be.
Beaulieu was pretty popular with his mates from what I understand, not the aloof type or the kind of guy that doesn't fit in. Gallagher was one of his best buds.
I believe that Bergevin was looking for scapegoats for the first round exit against the Rangers in 2017 and naturally he targeted young guys who were supposedly not taking their own development to the next level and guys who did not dislike losing enough. Beaulieu also did not help himself by giving a snarky response to a reporter's question about whether he thought he had a good year and he said something like yeah absolutely.
The proof was and is in the pudding. Every single move that Bergevin made to the d-corps in the summer of 2017 was a total disaster.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 9, 2018 11:10:30 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Dec 10, 2018 10:21:12 GMT -5
Hyman suspended 2 games for hit on McAvoy - which was in response to a crosscheck from behind that McAvoy put on Marner near the boards early in the game. Edwards goes full homer crazy.
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Post by blny on Dec 10, 2018 10:25:32 GMT -5
Kronwall tattoos Anders Lee. Lee, head down looking for puck, looks up just in time to get Kronwalls shoulder in the face. This is a tough one. Kronwall has to be allowed to hit there. The contact to face is undeniable, but if Lee is looking where he's going he likely takes the brunt of that in the crest.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 10, 2018 10:32:40 GMT -5
Hyman suspended 2 games for hit on McAvoy - which was in response to a crosscheck from behind that McAvoy put on Marner near the boards early in the game. Edwards goes full homer crazy. That was a cheapshot, but the indignation and outrage coming from NESN makes you think the 2011 Bruins never existed. |
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Post by blny on Dec 10, 2018 10:47:38 GMT -5
Hyman suspended 2 games for hit on McAvoy - which was in response to a crosscheck from behind that McAvoy put on Marner near the boards early in the game. Edwards goes full homer crazy. That was a cheapshot, but the indignation and outrage coming from NESN makes you think the 2011 Bruins never existed. Agreed on both. But, I don't blame Hyman for going after McAvoy. If you're going to miss a month - "cause everyone in the league knows you've been out an extended time" - don't run guys from behind into the boards the first chance you get. That hit on Marner was very early in the game. |
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Post by blny on Dec 12, 2018 17:44:48 GMT -5
Blues may be open for business on all fronts.
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Post by folatre on Dec 12, 2018 18:13:12 GMT -5
Interesting. I have no doubt that Armstrong is ticked off and, to some extent, is sending a message to the players.
However, I really doubt everyone is available. Guys like Tarasenko and Parayko are elite players squarely in their prime and they are on great contracts. For me there is no way they get traded. I would not doubt that Pietrangelo could be available because they might not want to hand him the $70-75 million dollar contract that he will be in line for 18 months from now, but the price of prying him away during this season would be astronomical in my opinion. I may be wrong but I do not believe that Dubas is daring enough to pay the price that it would take to acquire Pietrangelo.
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Post by franko on Dec 12, 2018 18:14:21 GMT -5
Blues may be open for business on all fronts.  adroit move . . . do it early and plan for the future; avoid the continual middle-of-the-pack. |
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Post by blny on Dec 12, 2018 18:48:21 GMT -5
adroit move . . . do it early and plan for the future; avoid the continual middle-of-the-pack. Most Blues fans seem to feel that if it's to be done Armstrong shouldn't be the one doing it. The Blues are the poster child for the classic under achiever. I think a real shift needs to happen there. They've got some good young pieces to start a rebuild around, but they do have draft pick issues similar to Ottawa as a result of the ROR deal. They also have individual pieces currently on the roster that would fetch a high price on the market. Tarasenko would be the biggest piece. His NTC kicks in after this season, so if they were going to do it now is the time. |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 12, 2018 21:42:04 GMT -5
I may be wrong but I do not believe that Dubas is daring enough to pay the price that it would take to acquire Pietrangelo. Marner or Reilly |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 12, 2018 21:47:08 GMT -5
adroit move . . . do it early and plan for the future; avoid the continual middle-of-the-pack. Most Blues fans seem to feel that if it's to be done Armstrong shouldn't be the one doing it. The Blues are the poster child for the classic under achiever. I think a real shift needs to happen there. They've got some good young pieces to start a rebuild around, but they do have draft pick issues similar to Ottawa as a result of the ROR deal. They also have individual pieces currently on the roster that would fetch a high price on the market. Tarasenko would be the biggest piece. His NTC kicks in after this season, so if they were going to do it now is the time. I'd never put Armstrong on my list of top GM's, bu then my list often differs from the norm. He's had some success with drafting, but often that can be because you've hired or inherited a guy who's really good at that. I believe Armstrong's son, Bill, is the head of scouting. Other than that function, I don't think he's been that great. Some guys just can't get a goalie, and DA seems to be one of them. |
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Post by blny on Dec 12, 2018 22:27:45 GMT -5
Most Blues fans seem to feel that if it's to be done Armstrong shouldn't be the one doing it. The Blues are the poster child for the classic under achiever. I think a real shift needs to happen there. They've got some good young pieces to start a rebuild around, but they do have draft pick issues similar to Ottawa as a result of the ROR deal. They also have individual pieces currently on the roster that would fetch a high price on the market. Tarasenko would be the biggest piece. His NTC kicks in after this season, so if they were going to do it now is the time. I'd never put Armstrong on my list of top GM's, bu then my list often differs from the norm. He's had some success with drafting, but often that can be because you've hired or inherited a guy who's really good at that. I believe Armstrong's son, Bill, is the head of scouting. Other than that function, I don't think he's been that great. Some guys just can't get a goalie, and DA seems to be one of them. They definitely suffer the same goalie disease the Flyers have suffered. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 13, 2018 9:00:22 GMT -5
I may be wrong but I do not believe that Dubas is daring enough to pay the price that it would take to acquire Pietrangelo. Marner or Reilly No way they trade Reilly to upgrade the D, that would be taking a step back. And Marner is just too good. Maybe Nylander plus attracts Armstrong's attention. Kypreos mentioned Kapanen as a piece that could get them a 3-4 D man. Maybe in a combo, they could fetch more. |
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 13, 2018 10:13:15 GMT -5
I'm a big Pietrangelo fan, but given the current makeup of our team, with both Weber and Petry already on the ride side, and Pietrangelo's contract expiring after next year, I would pass.
But I'd think long and hard on Tarasenko. 27 years old today (Happy Birthday!), consistent 30-40 goal scorer, signed for another four years after this at a large, but not unmanageable $7.5 million per year... He'd be a pretty nice winger to stick along side Kotkaniemi, don't you think? We'd have to start with a Pacioretty-like offer, and improve from there. So Tatar, Suzuki, a 1st and... maybe Lindgren? That would certainly get us a seat at the negotiating table, I would think. I wouldn't make an offer now - but at the draft, when we know where we pick? If it's anything lower than the 10th overall I would pitch the deal.
Of course if my scouting team is telling me that Suzuki is the next Tarasenko (or even Pacioretty) I don't do it. But if there is some doubt... Similarly, if St. Louis is looking for a Duchene-like return, I pass on that as well. But the chance to land an elite sniper in his prime? Hard to not at least kick the tires on it.
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Post by blny on Dec 13, 2018 11:42:58 GMT -5
I'm a big Pietrangelo fan, but given the current makeup of our team, with both Weber and Petry already on the ride side, and Pietrangelo's contract expiring after next year, I would pass. But I'd think long and hard on Tarasenko. 27 years old today ( Happy Birthday!), consistent 30-40 goal scorer, signed for another four years after this at a large, but not unmanageable $7.5 million per year... He'd be a pretty nice winger to stick along side Kotkaniemi, don't you think? We'd have to start with a Pacioretty-like offer, and improve from there. So Tatar, Suzuki, a 1st and... maybe Lindgren? That would certainly get us a seat at the negotiating table, I would think. I wouldn't make an offer now - but at the draft, when we know where we pick? If it's anything lower than the 10th overall I would pitch the deal. Of course if my scouting team is telling me that Suzuki is the next Tarasenko (or even Pacioretty) I don't do it. But if there is some doubt... Similarly, if St. Louis is looking for a Duchene-like return, I pass on that as well. But the chance to land an elite sniper in his prime? Hard to not at least kick the tires on it. Agreed. |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 13, 2018 12:50:19 GMT -5
No way they trade Reilly to upgrade the D, that would be taking a step back. And Marner is just too good. I'm just saying who I'd ask for. I'm not going to ask for Garret Sparks. Gotta make Dubas squirm. |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 13, 2018 12:51:30 GMT -5
But I'd think long and hard on Tarasenko.   Russian. |
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Post by franko on Dec 13, 2018 12:56:05 GMT -5
But I'd think long and hard on Tarasenko. Russian. does not play on the fourth line. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 13, 2018 13:34:29 GMT -5
does not play on the fourth line. In St. Louis he doesn't. On another team, who knows? |
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Post by folatre on Dec 13, 2018 14:26:27 GMT -5
I like BC's trade proposal in the event that Montreal's first rounder is kind of middling variety.
However, I honestly do not understand why Armstrong would trade a guy who is elite at his position on a pretty decent deal from the club's perspective.
And I had to laugh at seventeen's comment because it hardly seems like circumstantial paranoia to arrive at the conclusion that Julien would probably not love Tarasenko.
Back to Pietrangelo, Marner or Reilly are non-starters of course, but I honestly doubt Dubas is daring enough to even offer Nylander, Liljegren, and a first.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 14, 2018 0:51:41 GMT -5
Just in case you guys aren't done your Christmas shopping.... THE LAST GOOD YEAR -- Seven Games That Ended an EraThe blurb from Penguin Books: We may never see a playoff series like it again.
Before Gary Bettman, and the lockouts. Before all the NHL's old barns were torn down to make way for bigger, glitzier rinks. Before expansion and parity across the league, just about anything could happen on the ice. And it often did. It was an era when huge personalities dominated the sport; and willpower was often enough to win games. And in the spring of 1993, some of the biggest talents and biggest personalities were on a collision course.
The Cinderella Maple Leafs had somehow beaten the mighty Red Wings and then, just as improbably, the St. Louis Blues. Wayne Gretzky's Kings had just torn through the Flames and the Canucks. When they faced each other in the conference final, the result would be a series that fans still talk about passionately 25 years later.
Taking us back to that feverish spring, The Last Good Year gives an intimate account not just of an era-defining seven games, but of what the series meant to the men who were changed by it: Marty McSorley, the tough guy who took his whole team on his shoulders; Doug Gilmour, the emerging superstar; celebrity owner Bruce McNall; Bill Berg, who went from unknown to famous when the Leafs claimed him on waivers; Kelly Hrudey, the Kings' goalie who would go on to become a Hockey Night in Canada broadcaster; Kerry Fraser, who would become the game's most infamous referee; and two very different captains, Toronto's bull in a china shop, Wendel Clark, and the immortal Wayne Gretzky.
Fast-paced, authoritative, and galvanized by the same love of the game that made the series so unforgettable, The Last Good Year is a glorious testament to a moment hockey fans will never forget.More bravado from the centre of the universe. Twisted into an underdog team denied a Cup by a missed call. They've been whining about it ever since. Cinderella Maple Leafs? They'd missed the playoffs the previous two years....but they had 99 pts., only 4 fewer than the mighty Red Wings. And why was it just as improbable to beat the Blues? The Leafs finished 14 pts. ahead of them. The Kings finished with 88 pts. Seems the Leafs weren't the underdogs at all. And why did those seven games end whatever era invented to fit Cox's narrative? How about the 5 games in the Finals? |
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Post by franko on Dec 14, 2018 6:55:44 GMT -5
And why did those seven games end whatever era invented to fit Cox's narrative? c'mon, CH, you know the answer . . . more book$ will sell in Toronto than in the rest of the country . . . just in time for Chri$tmas. |
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 14, 2018 9:10:29 GMT -5
And why did those seven games end whatever era invented to fit Cox's narrative? c'mon, CH, you know the answer . . . more book$ will sell in Toronto than in the rest of the country . . . just in time for Chri$tmas. Of course. Hence my first sentence. The selling-point is the missed call which prevented the Leafs from moving on to the Finals and soundly defeating the Habs. I'd put it in the "Fantasy" section....along with Cherry's twisted, error-strewn recollection of Game 7, 1979. And I'd have this clip playing on a monitor beside the display. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 14, 2018 14:59:03 GMT -5
I'm really tired of some of the revisionist history that comes out of Toronto and their assumption that if the Leafs had made the Finals, then the Cup was theirs.
I can think of one good reason why it wouldn't of happened that way:
Patrick Roy >>>>> Felix Potvin. HOF goalie versus an also ran. No contest there.
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