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Post by PTH on Jun 2, 2019 13:34:45 GMT -5
... as always we should take the best player available. I know that's a cliche, and teams by their own admission don't always do that, but still. Any left shooting defensemen we get in the first round probably won't have any NHL impact for another three years, so solving the left shooting defenseman to play with Shea Weber problem isn't going to come from this draft (barring a trade of course).... Well, BPA is also horribly hard to rate from the outside. Much of the draft hype comes from trying to figure out who will be picked by which team, but going BPA basically means trying to project who likes which player, which is twice as hard (you have to rate the players, then evaluate how scouting teams rate them, and also take into account changes in scouting teams is each organization). Position ? Position is much easier; look at a teams org chart and look at guys rated about at that spot, and, voila, you have a mock draft ! Other than goalies, I think even looking at position for any kind of a scouting staff makes no sense. As to Shea Weber's future partner - I'd venture that no one we draft this year or in the future will ever play top-pair minutes with Weber. Weber will no longer be a top pair defenceman by the time whoever we draft makes it. Weber might well be the veteran anchor on the 2nd or 3d pairing, and be used as a mentor so our kids can take that next step, figure things out, and move onto the next pairing up. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 2, 2019 22:23:13 GMT -5
I don't like that term BPA because there's no way to know who the best player available is until several years later. Is there some short way to say
'pick the guy that is highest on your list who has not yet been picked by someone else'? That's a mouthful.
I know. Lets use a code word....say BPA.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 3, 2019 12:09:24 GMT -5
I don't like that term BPA because there's no way to know who the best player available is until several years later. Is there some short way to say 'pick the guy that is highest on your list who has not yet been picked by someone else'? That's a mouthful. I know. Lets use a code word....say BPA. How about TFP... Timmins Favourite Player |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 4, 2019 15:21:42 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 5, 2019 15:11:24 GMT -5
... someone having fun ...
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Post by blny on Jun 6, 2019 13:18:31 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Jun 6, 2019 13:26:27 GMT -5
... someone having fun ...
Why does he have Alex Newhook listed as American … he was born in St. John's, NL. Or is it because he is committed to playing in Boston College next season? You would think the country would be where he last played prior to being drafted, not where he may play in the future |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 6, 2019 23:03:34 GMT -5
... someone having fun ...
Why does he have Alex Newhook listed as American … he was born in St. John's, NL. Or is it because he is committed to playing in Boston College next season? You would think the country would be where he last played prior to being drafted, not where he may play in the future A mistake. No idea who this gent is, but it was a typo. Newhook is an interesting case. Born on one coast, and playing Junior A on the far west coast. Victoria Grizzlies of the BCHL is a long way from the Rock. Southern AB is a long way from Whitehorse for Cozins too. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 6, 2019 23:06:23 GMT -5
I asked the guy about the discrepancy and he never got back to me ...
Cheers.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 6, 2019 23:43:37 GMT -5
This is going to be a fun draft. I get into drafts, but have been a bit more so for this one thanks to the Hlinka in Etown last August. Every draft has its tiers. This one is no different. The top tier is easily the top two. Zero debate. Hughes and Kakko stand alone. It gets interesting after that point. It should be Byram, as he is heads and shoulders the best defender in this draft. I see a next tier from 3 to about 12 or 13. Other than Byram, mainly forwards. Tons from the USNDTP. Next year looks to be a very different story at this point about that program. The CHL and a few incredible Swedish forwards and a stud Finn will rule the roost (for now...it can all change).
The Habs fall just outside of the next tier this year. They need a few off the chart picks or some early D picks or else we will be in a stretch of defenders. Not terrible, but just the next tier. Our best option at 15 is almost likely a defender. Not based on need, just based on this draft and who should be available. From about 21 or so to nearly 50, there is another pretty decent tier. We pick at 46 and 50. We should get decent players, but could even get better ones as that tier is pretty deep. It all depends on preferences. The next tier extends into the third round. NHL players if you get it right. All with warts, it depends, as always, on your projection skills and a fair bit of luck.
I have done a hybrid draft board. It is not anywhere complete enough, but it looks at decent opportunities from the second round onwards. There are tons of guys from 20 onwards whom I like, but do not include on my board (as real teams and scouts would do). We may get a sniff at them in the second, I will post accordingly on that day!! I start my list from about mid second round onwards. It gets tough after that point, as I don’t see these other guys enough. My ramblings will be just that. I will not list all the guys that I like, just not enough time for that or enough sound evidence for me to start to differentiate from later picks. This is just a little distraction for me. I don’t necessarily think they will pick anyone on my list, but it keeps me entertained leading up to the draft!
I will also post a mock first round close to the draft. Have not started that yet. Been busy looking at picks 2nd round and beyond. I still have the last four U18 games to watch again. I just watched the Hlinka semi between the US and Russia as I still had that on pvr. Lots of great draft picks in that game alone. This draft has decent depth. We won’t know for sure until the customary five years down the road, but there is decent depth.
The Habs are in a different place. A much stronger pool of prospects, and ten more picks (as of now) this draft. We have gone from signing most picks due to both poor quality and quantity, to having more picks than we can possibly sign. I would swing for the fences with a few picks as a result. Not with the early ones, but fourth round or so much onwards.
More posts with players names and outlines to come.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 7, 2019 9:14:13 GMT -5
This is going to be a fun draft. I get into drafts, but have been a bit more so for this one thanks to the Hlinka in Etown last August. Every draft has its tiers. This one is no different. The top tier is easily the top two. Zero debate. Hughes and Kakko stand alone. It gets interesting after that point. It should be Byram, as he is heads and shoulders the best defender in this draft. I see a next tier from 3 to about 12 or 13. Other than Byram, mainly forwards. Tons from the USNDTP. Next year looks to be a very different story at this point about that program. The CHL and a few incredible Swedish forwards and a stud Finn will rule the roost (for now...it can all change). The Habs fall just outside of the next tier this year. They need a few off the chart picks or some early D picks or else we will be in a stretch of defenders. Not terrible, but just the next tier. Our best option at 15 is almost likely a defender. Not based on need, just based on this draft and who should be available. From about 21 or so to nearly 50, there is another pretty decent tier. We pick at 46 and 50. We should get decent players, but could even get better ones as that tier is pretty deep. It all depends on preferences. The next tier extends into the third round. NHL players if you get it right. All with warts, it depends, as always, on your projection skills and a fair bit of luck. I have done a hybrid draft board. It is not anywhere complete enough, but it looks at decent opportunities from the second round onwards. There are tons of guys from 20 onwards whom I like, but do not include on my board (as real teams and scouts would do). We may get a sniff at them in the second, I will post accordingly on that day!! I start my list from about mid second round onwards. It gets tough after that point, as I don’t see these other guys enough. My ramblings will be just that. I will not list all the guys that I like, just not enough time for that or enough sound evidence for me to start to differentiate from later picks. This is just a little distraction for me. I don’t necessarily think they will pick anyone on my list, but it keeps me entertained leading up to the draft! I will also post a mock first round close to the draft. Have not started that yet. Been busy looking at picks 2nd round and beyond. I still have the last four U18 games to watch again. I just watched the Hlinka semi between the US and Russia as I still had that on pvr. Lots of great draft picks in that game alone. This draft has decent depth. We won’t know for sure until the customary five years down the road, but there is decent depth. The Habs are in a different place. A much stronger pool of prospects, and ten more picks (as of now) this draft. We have gone from signing most picks due to both poor quality and quantity, to having more picks than we can possibly sign. I would swing for the fences with a few picks as a result. Not with the early ones, but fourth round or so much onwards. More posts with players names and outlines to come. I think it's pretty certain that the tiers will get messed up by around pick 12 or so. They always do (as you know!). So I'm guessing we'll have a shot at somebody that is considered to be in that first tier. Now whether or not Timmins considers that guy to be in the first tier is a whole other matter. Ditto for our second round picks. By that point I would imagine there will be a whole whack of players that are available from that tier, even at 50. As you also know being one of our resident draft experts, teams always go off the board at some point. Usually a lot earlier than any mock says they will ( see Romanov, Alexander). I've mentioned it before, but I would be surprised if we actually made 10 picks. I'm going to guess that Timmins will be pretty active with his later picks, using his 5ths to move up in the 4th, or possible late 3rd sort of thing. And it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the 6th and 7th rounders get traded for 6th and 7th rounders next year (or even two years from now), just because they may have run out of players on their list by that point. Or as you pointed out, strategically it might make more sense to push those players off by a year or two, to maintain the 50 contract integrity. As always, an interesting day! |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 7, 2019 9:31:03 GMT -5
Why does he have Alex Newhook listed as American … he was born in St. John's, NL. Or is it because he is committed to playing in Boston College next season? You would think the country would be where he last played prior to being drafted, not where he may play in the future A mistake. No idea who this gent is, but it was a typo. Newhook is an interesting case. Born on one coast, and playing Junior A on the far west coast. Victoria Grizzlies of the BCHL is a long way from the Rock. Southern AB is a long way from Whitehorse for Cozins too. Caufield, Podkolzin, Suzuki, Kaliyev, Newhook are among the guys i consider choices but we don’t get to choose, we take what’s left. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 7, 2019 9:50:03 GMT -5
I think it's pretty certain that the tiers will get messed up by around pick 12 or so. They always do (as you know!). So I'm guessing we'll have a shot at somebody that is considered to be in that first tier. Now whether or not Timmins considers that guy to be in the first tier is a whole other matter. Ditto for our second round picks. By that point I would imagine there will be a whole whack of players that are available from that tier, even at 50. As you also know being one of our resident draft experts, teams always go off the board at some point. Usually a lot earlier than any mock says they will ( see Romanov, Alexander). I've mentioned it before, but I would be surprised if we actually made 10 picks. I'm going to guess that Timmins will be pretty active with his later picks, using his 5ths to move up in the 4th, or possible late 3rd sort of thing. And it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the 6th and 7th rounders get traded for 6th and 7th rounders next year (or even two years from now), just because they may have run out of players on their list by that point. Or as you pointed out, strategically it might make more sense to push those players off by a year or two, to maintain the 50 contract integrity. As always, an interesting day! Fully agree on all fronts. There are always teams that go off the board. Hopefully they pick in front of us!! I think TT will have some choices to make at 15. As for our two second round picks, I am convinced there are at least 20+ options with those picks solely depending on what teams do ahead of those picks. There are a lot of pretty interesting options that should be around by the middle of the second. The late first to middle second tier is full of lots if intriguing prospects. Pretty good depth this year. I see that happening with our third a bit too, although the depth and quality does drop off as one would expect by that round. I agree with your assertion that TT will try and bundle picks to move up. Especially if there is a still a good target left on their draft board. That is contrary to what they have done the last few years, where they have traded down a few times to accumulate extra picks. If we kept all 10 picks, that would be 21 over the last two drafts. That is the most of any NHL team during that span. Eventually you do run into the 50 contract limit. We are getting better prospects, so I expect quite a few of them to be signed. This is where picking Euros or Junior A/NCAA guys lets you sit on the prospects for four years instead of two. So teams with lots of picks will have to keep a balance between CHL guys and those from other leagues due to those ELC implications as well. TT has already said they will be holding a separate Euro combine again this year. That got us closer looks at Romanov and Ylonen last year. We scooped them both in the second round. When you have lots of picks, you do need a bigger draft board of options. Two weeks until Round One in Vancouver. Looking forward to it!! |
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Post by folatre on Jun 7, 2019 11:18:22 GMT -5
Thanks, NW. I agree. Some guys in that top tier right behind Hughes and Kakko look to be locks to be gone before #15. Byram, Boldy, Caufield, Turcotte, Zegras, Cozens, and Krebs are probably in that category.
Could a forward like Podkolzin (Russian not coming to North America until 2021-22), Newhook (questions about the competition he played against), or Dach (disappears a lot for a guy with that tool set) falls to Montreal? I think it is possible provided a couple of d-man not named Byram come off the board. And if nothing else it seems reasonably likely the Habs will be in a position to grab Kaliyev or Lavoie if they really see talent that just needs to learn the game the better or grab a young kid like Harley who really seems to be coming on nicely.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 7, 2019 12:47:03 GMT -5
There are always teams that go off the board. Hopefully they pick in front of us!! I get what you mean but sometimes off the board is not a bad move. I'm sure there were a few teams last year that cheered when Timmins picked Romanov as early as he went. And perhaps one or two that cursed. It's human nature to believe you've seen something in someone that has escaped everyone else. The draft might be pretty boring without that factor blended in. I've got my fingers crossed that Timmins and Co have a quality list of guys. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 7, 2019 13:14:37 GMT -5
There are always teams that go off the board. Hopefully they pick in front of us!! I get what you mean but sometimes off the board is not a bad move. I'm sure there were a few teams last year that cheered when Timmins picked Romanov as early as he went. And perhaps one or two that cursed. It's human nature to believe you've seen something in someone that has escaped everyone else. The draft might be pretty boring without that factor blended in. I've got my fingers crossed that Timmins and Co have a quality list of guys. TT tends to go "off the board" at least once each draft. As you know, the reality is that head scouts and NHL teams have tons more information than even those who make a living developing draft lists or draft guides. And not all teams have the same draft boards, or feel the same way about a given prospect. Even though it is only one year removed and Romanov is nowhere near even a sniff at the NHL, it already looks like TT had it right as to when to pick Romanov compared to all the published guides (including a few that did not even have him ranked in their top whatever list). Two years removed, it looks like he did not get it right jumping way too early for Scott Walford in the third compared to where the published guides had him ranked. Of course, all lists are based on a point in time. Development moves in different ways (if at all) for each prospect. If you really like a prospect, you pick him when you have a chance and don't gamble that he might be around with your next pick or two. Even though you know it is all going to be unicorns and rainbows, I still do enjoy TT's post-draft interview about the players he and his team selected. It is always nice to hear him talk about what endeared each player to the scouting team. They don't all work out, but it does give you little snippets of insights that you don't always get around drafting decisions. It also helps the casual fans to all walk away ready to over-value and over-hype the most recent draft picks!! TT makes them all sound so awesome...lol. I think every fan base wants to leave the draft thinking their team ended up with the most draft steals. I am with you on hoping TT and team have a good draft board. They have been focusing more on skill these days, and that is never a bad thing when looking to improve your roster over time from the draft. Two more weeks!! |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 7, 2019 13:32:31 GMT -5
Thanks, NW. I agree. Some guys in that top tier right behind Hughes and Kakko look to be locks to be gone before #15. Byram, Boldy, Caufield, Turcotte, Zegras, Cozens, and Krebs are probably in that category. Could a forward like Podkolzin (Russian not coming to North America until 2021-22), Newhook (questions about the competition he played against), or Dach (disappears a lot for a guy with that tool set) falls to Montreal? I think it is possible provided a couple of d-man not named Byram come off the board. And if nothing else it seems reasonably likely the Habs will be in a position to grab Kaliyev or Lavoie if they really see talent that just needs to learn the game the better or grab a young kid like Harley who really seems to be coming on nicely. Exactly. When the two things converge (teams picking guys earlier than expected, or players slipping a bit because teams favour other guys instead), it makes for an interesting draft. And it always happens.  On the possible guys "moving up", there are a few for sure. Teams covet RHD. We often get blinded by our lack of depth of LHDs, but top tier RHD are at a premium, especially mobile ones that can play today's game. Mobile, big and right handed...kaboom!! The top two RHD for the middle of the first are Seider and Soderstrom. Both played against men this past year, so that tends to make their stats look underwhelming, but it tells scouts tons as they see how they compete against men while still only being 17 years old. That helps scouts to project guys. Seider also looked very comfortable at the World Championships before getting injured. He is big, mobile and really composed. His offensive upside is likely still quite untapped. I expect a few teams would love to add him. Ditto with Soderstrom, although he is much more the new age puck moving defender in terms of style of play and his size (5'11" and 179 compared to huge Seider). A RH PP quarter back...teams will be interested as well. Teams may also look past Kaliev's poor compete level and total disinterest in defensive positioning, and drool over his ability to score like very few of his age in the CHL. Some teams may see superstar starter in Spencer Knight and jump on the top goalie this draft. Teams tend to avoid goalies in the first round these days, but you hear the odd draft guru espousing on how he might be the top junior goalie in a long time. Teams will also look past Broberg's vision and IQ questions marks and crave his size, skating, and ability to put up points (he had a great U18s and was top defender). The guy can skate and rush the puck up ice as good as any in this draft (the issue is that seems to be his one-trick pony move at this point...he will need to diversify if he wants to move to the next level). So many variables. We will know soon enough. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 7, 2019 19:25:41 GMT -5
Wouldn't surprise me to see le Club draft another d-man in either the 1st or 2nd round ... reading some impressive things on Samuel Bolduc, though ... NHL Central Scouting has him a #42 (NA skaters), while The Hockey News has him ranked #116 ... also, here's a blurb from The Chronicle Herald (Halifax) ... "One scout recently told me he wouldn’t be shocked to see the big blueliner climb into the first round by the end of the year. Bolduc is six-foot-four, 211 pounds and seems to gain strength every week, plus he has underrated offensive ability."Cheers. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 7, 2019 20:37:44 GMT -5
Wouldn't surprise me to see le Club draft another d-man in either the 1st or 2nd round ... reading some impressive things on Samuel Bolduc, though ... NHL Central Scouting has him a #42 (NA skaters), while The Hockey News has him ranked #116 ... also, here's a blurb from The Chronicle Herald (Halifax) ... "One scout recently told me he wouldn’t be shocked to see the big blueliner climb into the first round by the end of the year. Bolduc is six-foot-four, 211 pounds and seems to gain strength every week, plus he has underrated offensive ability."Cheers. He is on my list. Nice blend of size and mobility. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 7, 2019 22:04:51 GMT -5
I'd like to see if they can get their hands on Lavoie from the Mooseheads. I think he likely goes around 15, but if they could nab him I think it would be a strong get. Raphael has a solid combo of size and speed. RHS. Can play either wing. Some sites may list him as a center, but he'll play the wing. He reminds me of Bobby Smith off the rush. He's not a banger, but he uses his 6'4 frame very well. We've talked about him before, but I thought I'd bring up Raphaël Lavoie ... I thought he was ranked higher than he is now ... from what I've read he'll probably be around at #15 by the time MTL selects ... Central Scouting has him a #20 (NA Skaters) while ISS has him at #15 ... Dobber Prospects has him at #22 ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Jun 7, 2019 22:09:43 GMT -5
I'd like to see if they can get their hands on Lavoie from the Mooseheads. I think he likely goes around 15, but if they could nab him I think it would be a strong get. Raphael has a solid combo of size and speed. RHS. Can play either wing. Some sites may list him as a center, but he'll play the wing. He reminds me of Bobby Smith off the rush. He's not a banger, but he uses his 6'4 frame very well. We've talked about him before, but I thought I'd bring up Raphaël Lavoie ... I thought he was ranked higher than he is now ... from what I've read he'll probably be around at #15 by the time MTL selects ... Central Scouting has him a #20 (NA Skaters) while ISS has him at #15 ... Dobber Prospects has him at #22 ... Cheers. He's right in the draft wheelhouse. If he's on the board, he'll be likely one of several players being mulled over. |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 8, 2019 12:26:56 GMT -5
The problem I have with big guys is that the have man sized bodies playing with oversized kids. When they hit the NHL, that advantage evaporates. If they built a career un junior around size.....it's a risk.
Lavoie is that risk.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 8, 2019 14:48:58 GMT -5
The problem I have with big guys is that the have man sized bodies playing with oversized kids. When they hit the NHL, that advantage evaporates. If they built a career un junior around size.....it's a risk. Lavoie is that risk. I'm sure hoping someone takes him before #15, letting another slip through. I think you've said it pretty well, Cranky. Is he another Latendresse? If I was picking, I'd avoid him. I'd much rather have a Caufield or Brink or Kaliyev or Tomassino than Lavoie. |
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Post by blny on Jun 8, 2019 21:11:38 GMT -5
Lavoie doesn't play a game predicated on using a size advantage to dominate guys that haven't physically matured. He can use his size to shield the puck, but he's not a banger. This isn't a Lats that gets to the NHL and doesn't have that advantage anymore.
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Post by folatre on Jun 8, 2019 22:05:09 GMT -5
That is true, blny. Lavoie is not a banger. Maybe a Mantha type or in our wildest dreams a Rick Nash style sniper who does not really check off the all of the power forward boxes.
I am okay with letting a skilled big guy steer clear of the physicality and mean streak prototype that people often want to project on them. And I am not as opposed to picking Lavoie as some but I do have concerns. First, I want to believe that his hockey IQ is growing. Everyone knows the best players in mite or even in Major Junior tend to go solo too often and I think Lavoie still has that tendency to want to focus more on what he can do with the puck (the result being over stickhandling and shooting from wherever) rather than showing promising habits of how to move without the puck. Second, it is no sin for a family to be deeply involved and invested emotionally in a young star's pre-professional career. I hope that Lavoie's commitment to hockey at its core is his own and not his father's and that he is the one who loves hockey and is obsessed with making himself a better player by putting in the work and learning from people who know far more about hockey than his inner circle.
Basically if Timmins can discern that he is not inherently selfish on the ice and that he is open to learning then I would have no problem with him at #15. His ceiling is high and if Timmins knows (or knows as close as you can to actually knowing) he is coachable and a hockey sponge then pick him. There is no reason to ningunear a local kid simply because he is big and McCarron did not work out or because he is Québécois and people might say that is why Montreal picked him.
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Post by Cranky on Jun 9, 2019 4:18:31 GMT -5
The problem I have with big guys is that the have man sized bodies playing with oversized kids. When they hit the NHL, that advantage evaporates. If they built a career un junior around size.....it's a risk. Lavoie is that risk. I'm sure hoping someone takes him before #15, letting another slip through. I think you've said it pretty well, Cranky. Is he another Latendresse? If I was picking, I'd avoid him. I'd much rather have a Caufield or Brink or Kaliyev or Tomassino than Lavoie. Late-to-dress never had any fire in him. He made his career a side show rather then his priority. Anywho.... Lavoie size and reach gives him an advantage when cutting in, great on juniors, but that's not going to get him much in the NHL. He has a good, quick shot, always useful. Not much of a banger so visions of a Tkachuk are dead. In the videos I saw, not exactly a force or a puck magnet, but neither an ice grazer. Won't be crying nor too excited. Let's see... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 9, 2019 5:36:43 GMT -5
Lavoie doesn't play a game predicated on using a size advantage to dominate guys that haven't physically matured. He can use his size to shield the puck, but he's not a banger. This isn't a Lats that gets to the NHL and doesn't have that advantage anymore. I remember reading something about this guy that reflected this but I couldn't find it later ... it was the only criticism I could find on him and I thought I was reading up on Dustin Penner, though pretty much all of the other scouting reports on him were positive ... mind you, I saw that Ryan Suzuki was ranked a few spots higher (NA Skaters) than Raphael Lavoie in the final rankings and I haven't read too many positives on him here on our boards either ... Cheers. |
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Post by folatre on Jun 9, 2019 8:59:51 GMT -5
Krebs had surgery yesterday to repair a torn Achilles. I feel bad for this kid. I think that he was a lock to be top ten. Hopefully teams do not drop him down the board.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 9, 2019 9:15:40 GMT -5
Krebs had surgery yesterday to repair a torn Achilles. I feel bad for this kid. I think that he was a lock to be top ten. Hopefully teams do not drop him down the board. Yeah, lots of chatter of what this will do to his draft stock. He has such good hockey IQ and played on such a bad team, that his offence was a bit under the radar. I am sure teams in the top 15 or so are doing their medical due diligence over the next two weeks. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 9, 2019 9:19:18 GMT -5
Lavoie doesn't play a game predicated on using a size advantage to dominate guys that haven't physically matured. He can use his size to shield the puck, but he's not a banger. This isn't a Lats that gets to the NHL and doesn't have that advantage anymore. I remember reading something about this guy that reflected this but I couldn't find it later ... it was the only criticism I could find on him and I thought I was reading up on Dustin Penner, though pretty much all of the other scouting reports on him were positive ... mind you, I saw that Ryan Suzuki was ranked a few spots higher (NA Skaters) than Raphael Lavoie in the final rankings and I haven't read too many positives on him here on our boards either ... Cheers. I think Lavoie is a great pick...around 20 or so. I think Suzuki is a late first (maybe falls to early second) player. It is all just based on how they stack up relative to their peers. |
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