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Post by GNick99 on Feb 9, 2019 7:59:20 GMT -5
Looks like Les Canadiens be drafting in the 20s this season. Barring a major collapse. THis '19 draft is deep. So, we should get a decent player in the 20s. Players who should be available in the 20s, whom I like.
- Thomas Harley, an offensive d-man.
- Brett Leason, a late bloomer but has impressed this season. Takes big guys longer to mature,
- Cole Caufield, the diminutive sniper from US Develoopment team.
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Post by Cranky on Feb 13, 2019 16:23:43 GMT -5
Leason has alumni to our Cole Fonstad. Also likely we are scouting him. What I don't like is that from a short look, the Raiders don't appear to be star incubators.
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Post by blny on Feb 13, 2019 16:26:32 GMT -5
I'd like to see if they can get their hands on Lavoie from the Mooseheads. I think he likely goes around 15, but if they could nab him I think it would be a strong get. Raphael has a solid combo of size and speed. RHS. Can play either wing. Some sites may list him as a center, but he'll play the wing. He reminds me of Bobby Smith off the rush. He's not a banger, but he uses his 6'4 frame very well.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 15, 2019 23:19:40 GMT -5
Ryan Suzuki and Justin Brazeau would fit in nicely on Bergevin's 20 year plan.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 17, 2019 22:54:03 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Feb 17, 2019 23:25:31 GMT -5
Wow, how sweet would it be to add an elite young sniper. Maybe Julien would move Armia off the top power play unit.
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Post by Dschens on Feb 18, 2019 8:06:53 GMT -5
That's not going to happen. Kakko will be gone at the latest with the 2nd overall pick.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 27, 2019 15:45:09 GMT -5
Sportsnet 360 has Ottawa against Hamilton on tonight. For draft watchers, the star of this show will be American sniper LW Arthur Kaliyev. He reached the 51 goal mark this year in the OHL, good for fourth overall in goals scored. He is amongst the best snipers in the draft, there are some questions about the rest of his play and his intensity that are likely behind why he is currently ranked near the end of the top ten (he was number 9 on the recent TSN Craig's List).
Game time is 7:00pm ET fellow draft watchers!
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Post by blny on Mar 27, 2019 16:57:28 GMT -5
Sportsnet 360 has Ottawa against Hamilton on tonight. For draft watchers, the star of this show will be American sniper LW Arthur Kaliyev. He reached the 51 goal mark this year in the OHL, good for fourth overall in goals scored. He is amongst the best snipers in the draft, there are some questions about the rest of his play and his intensity that are likely behind why he is currently ranked near the end of the top ten (he was number 9 on the recent TSN Craig's List). Game time is 7:00pm ET fellow draft watchers! He'd been hovering inside the top 20 most of the year, but he's climbed the list with a stellar season. Skating is the knock, but in all the videos I've seen he gets to the scoring areas quick enough. Add in his elite shot, and I think he can overcome his skating. Stone did. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 5, 2019 17:37:32 GMT -5
Sportsnet 360 has Ottawa against Hamilton on tonight. For draft watchers, the star of this show will be American sniper LW Arthur Kaliyev. He reached the 51 goal mark this year in the OHL, good for fourth overall in goals scored. He is amongst the best snipers in the draft, there are some questions about the rest of his play and his intensity that are likely behind why he is currently ranked near the end of the top ten (he was number 9 on the recent TSN Craig's List). Game time is 7:00pm ET fellow draft watchers! He'd been hovering inside the top 20 most of the year, but he's climbed the list with a stellar season. Skating is the knock, but in all the videos I've seen he gets to the scoring areas quick enough. Add in his elite shot, and I think he can overcome his skating. Stone did. We have a lot of players who skate fast. How about some who are slower but shoot fast to augment the fast guys. We outshoot the opposition, lead in puck possession and making goalies look great. |
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Post by blny on Apr 5, 2019 20:20:34 GMT -5
He'd been hovering inside the top 20 most of the year, but he's climbed the list with a stellar season. Skating is the knock, but in all the videos I've seen he gets to the scoring areas quick enough. Add in his elite shot, and I think he can overcome his skating. Stone did. We have a lot of players who skate fast. How about some who are slower but shoot fast to augment the fast guys. We outshoot the opposition, lead in puck possession and making goalies look great. He's played himself out of where the odds say we're destined to pick. If we end up at 15th, and he's still around at 10, I'd be more than willing to fork over a couple of seconds to move up and get him. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 6, 2019 9:03:29 GMT -5
We have a lot of players who skate fast. How about some who are slower but shoot fast to augment the fast guys. We outshoot the opposition, lead in puck possession and making goalies look great. He's played himself out of where the odds say we're destined to pick. If we end up at 15th, and he's still around at 10, I'd be more than willing to fork over a couple of seconds to move up and get him. Not me. Too many red flags about the rest of his game and intensity. He has an amazing shot, but I would move up for other guys over him. Man, will we have quite a few options at fifteen. The U18s are coming up later this month. Team USA should be a pure treat to watch from a draft watchers perspective. The national development team is likely to have six guys in the top 20 of this draft, and if they add Kaliev, Brink, etc that team is a huge favourite for gold. This will be a massive first round for US born players. |
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Post by blny on Apr 6, 2019 10:18:19 GMT -5
He's played himself out of where the odds say we're destined to pick. If we end up at 15th, and he's still around at 10, I'd be more than willing to fork over a couple of seconds to move up and get him. Not me. Too many red flags about the rest of his game and intensity. He has an amazing shot, but I would move up for other guys over him. Man, will we have quite a few options at fifteen. The U18s are coming up later this month. Team USA should be a pure treat to watch from a draft watchers perspective. The national development team is likely to have six guys in the top 20 of this draft, and if they add Kaliev, Brink, etc that team is a huge favourite for gold. This will be a massive first round for US born players. I read a couple of pieces from early in the season that question his all around game, and desire. This piece from February would suggest that, while he may be a work in progress, he's not adverse to doing the little things. If he's willing to learn and do those things, he can be taught. You can't teach what he already excels at. He's had a 100 point season on a rebuilding Hamilton team, where the guy second in scoring is more than 20 points behind. thehockeynews.com/news/article/sharpshooting-arthur-kaliyev-is-just-getting-started-in-hamiltonLavoie may well be available at 15, and he wouldn't be a bad get at all. He's a more complete, all around player, but definitely not the natural scorer that Kaliyev is. |
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Post by folatre on Apr 6, 2019 16:02:18 GMT -5
It would great if a miracle happens on Tuesday, but 15th is what it is. There should be a very promising player there, though of course players picked in that range are generally a long way from being NHL ready.
Kayliev is a pure sniper, last season the American Wahlstrom had that distinction. There are issues with the rest of Kayliev's game though maybe nothing that merits red flag concern in the 15 hole; however, I agree those issues become stickier at #10.
Lavoie is intriguing and he will quite possibly be available when the Habs make their choice. He is having a nice playoffs thus far, but overall his junior career has been more characterized by talent, skill refinement, and maturation rather than outright productivity. He has a nice shot and obviously he has a big frame that will fill out more as he becomes a man. Like a lot of tall kids, his first step is not explosive and it takes him time to accelerate. Watching video, he looks like a big kid with pretty good high end speed and pretty good balance and agility. Given what happened with McCarron and the way we all see the NHL becoming more of a speed league, it is easy to be scared about a prospect like this. I appreciate that, for sure. However, I would say that prospect evaluators need to avoid a reverse bias against big kids.
I would put significant weight on skating for sure, but also on skill, smarts, and the single-mindedness to work constantly to get better.
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Post by blny on Apr 6, 2019 21:56:28 GMT -5
It would great if a miracle happens on Tuesday, but 15th is what it is. There should be a very promising player there, though of course players picked in that range are generally a long way from being NHL ready. Kayliev is a pure sniper, last season the American Wahlstrom had that distinction. There are issues with the rest of Kayliev's game though maybe nothing that merits red flag concern in the 15 hole; however, I agree those issues become stickier at #10. Lavoie is intriguing and he will quite possibly be available when the Habs make their choice. He is having a nice playoffs thus far, but overall his junior career has been more characterized by talent, skill refinement, and maturation rather than outright productivity. He has a nice shot and obviously he has a big frame that will fill out more as he becomes a man. Like a lot of tall kids, his first step is not explosive and it takes him time to accelerate. Watching video, he looks like a big kid with pretty good high end speed and pretty good balance and agility. Given what happened with McCarron and the way we all see the NHL becoming more of a speed league, it is easy to be scared about a prospect like this. I appreciate that, for sure. However, I would say that prospect evaluators need to avoid a reverse bias against big kids. I would put significant weight on skating for sure, but also on skill, smarts, and the single-mindedness to work constantly to get better. The interesting thing about Lavoie is he's part of a roster that plays a pro game. Very very structured. They play solid 5 man units and rarely is anyone out of position. I think he might have more points on a team where he's allowed to run free, but he's part of a group that concentrates on a 200ft game as priority. |
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Post by Anardil1 on Apr 7, 2019 11:28:27 GMT -5
Lavoie will most likely be available if the Habs stay at #15. However, I would be leery picking him, for one big reason. Apparently, his dad is very 'involved' in his son's career, and not in a good way. After what this team, allegedly, went through with Galchenyuk, I personally would stay away from Lavoie.
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Post by blny on Apr 7, 2019 12:23:36 GMT -5
Lavoie will most likely be available if the Habs stay at #15. However, I would be leery picking him, for one big reason. Apparently, his dad is very 'involved' in his son's career, and not in a good way. After what this team, allegedly, went through with Galchenyuk, I personally would stay away from Lavoie. That's the first I've heard of that anardil1. Could be the case, but Bobby Smith and the Mooseheads don't have a history of drafting, acquiring, developing, etc. those types. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 8, 2019 13:04:46 GMT -5
Bergevin ranks the 2109 draft players by,
1. Attitude
2. Size (small is better)
3. Nationality qmjhl, us college, Russia, whl, bchl, OHL
4. Need, (he needs to keep his job)
5. Surprise, make sure the pick is off the charts
6. Speed
7. Lack of scoring
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Post by blny on Apr 10, 2019 9:28:39 GMT -5
Well, we're picking 15th. Time to look at who might be around. Below is Sportsnet as of last night. If we weren't already a team on the small side, Caufield could be interesting. If he slips to late in the first because of his lack of size he might be worth moving up to get. As our first, not sure. Kaliyev at #11. Lavoie right where we pick. www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sportsnets-2019-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings-april/ |
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Post by folatre on Apr 10, 2019 9:34:31 GMT -5
Button on TSN has Lavoie going to Montreal at #15 and he must not be super high on Kaliyev because he has him still on the board when the playoff teams start picking in the first round.
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Post by blny on Apr 10, 2019 10:06:32 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 10, 2019 11:07:49 GMT -5
Brink played in the USHL with Sioux City this past season. He is a legitimate scoring threat and is fast. I watched him at the WJAC and he was very good in that tourney. He is a legitimate consideration at 15. The problem is, I have a fairly long list of legitimate considerations at that point. This draft will be fun. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 10, 2019 12:40:17 GMT -5
There are actually quite a bunch of players that could and likely will be available at 15. I expect that teams' draft boards will vary drastically after about the top 8 or 9 guys. Some guys will be taken earlier after that tier, and some will drop. It actually makes the 15th pick very interesting. I cannot predict who we will pick (but I will still try to do so with a mock draft closer to the draft), but I can almost guarantee that Timmins picks someone who is higher than "15th" on their draft board. That is how I think the middle of the first round could play out this June.
The U18s start next Thursday and TSN will be showing a bunch of games. A lot of the guys I am interesting in seeing more of should be playing in that tournament. I am sure TT, Churla and a bunch of our Euro scouts will be watching all the games, it is a scouts dream event and the last major viewing other than the Memorial Cup prior to the draft.
Here are just a few names to toss around. Eric Engels mentions a few of them in his article, and talks about their good qualities, but in order to be fair to each prospect they all come with some question marks or things they need to improve upon as well. That is why they could be picked 15th, and not top five. I will expand a bit here but more to come on more detailed player analysis.
Canada
Krebs - he could fall as his numbers were so-so, but he plays for a very week Kootenay Ice team (does this sound familiar to Cale Fleury's story? It should). Very high IQ player. Will be a big part of the U18 team.
Newhook - one of the fastest guys in the draft. Played in the BCHL and put up huge numbers. He had a solid WJAC as well, but was left off Team Canada's Hlinka team. Maybe does not go to the dirty places as much as other forwards ranked about him, but he has speed, decent size and smarts.
Harley - offensive LHD defender who is very mobile and jumps into the play. With his exciting offensive skill set, does come some questions about his decision making and defensive game. A draft riser.
Lavoie - after an ordinary season, he is having a great playoffs with Halifax. Still has a lot of doubters given his early birthday and underwhelming performance at times. I expect he really should be picked around the early 20s, but you never know. He will play in the Memorial Cup as hosts.
Poulin - 15 is probably too early as well, but here is quite the bulldog forward who bring a very good balance of play to the table. The Habs always look to pick some Q guys where possible, but I expect there will be guys slightly higher on their draft board...but you never know.
USA
Kaliev - one of the few OHL players to score 50 goals in their 17 year old season. But can he play defense, seem engaged in the play, and get quicker? He does not come across as a TT type of pick, but he scores goals. Every team needs goal scoring, and he is elite in that regard in this draft.
Brink - offensive dynamo in the USHL who had a very good WJAC, being named the tournament MVP. It was last year's event where our scouts really took some notice of Romanov. Likely needs to get bigger and stronger.
York - another offense defender with question marks about his defensive game. This is where scouts will earn their keep. Can the deficiencies be addressed in his development. That is about projecting the type of player they can be moreso than just the player they are as a 18 year old.
Caufield - really small, but one of the most talented and skilled offensive guys in the draft. Did I mention he was quite small? He will need to get stronger to withstand the rigours of pro hockey. If he reminds some of Debrincat, there is a good reason.
Finland
Heinola - another LHD who is known for his offensive abilities. I saw him live in one game at the WJC and he more than held his own for an underager. He is already playing in Finland's top league, liiga, at the age of 17. A bit of a draft riser this year.
Sweden
Soderberg - very talented RHD. He may drop and the Habs may consider him, despite their depth on the right side and gaps on the left side. After Byram, he could be the second best defender in this draft.
Broberg - offensive LHD who has size and skating abilities. I saw him at the Hlinka and he was their best defender. There are questions about his hockey IQ and defensive play. Sound familiar with a few of these defenders this year?
Russia
Dorofeyev - a very talented Russian winger playing in the MHL. He does not get as much exposure based on his league play, but the raw talent is there. After Podkolzin, he could be the second Russian taken this draft. Insert usual "Russian factor", underscouted, how good will he be in a tougher league comments? If you are after skill (which we should be in the first and early rounds), some of these top end Russians are a great potential home run pick.
Here is Engels' piece on a few of these guys.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 10, 2019 13:57:16 GMT -5
Seriously Engels!!?? You went all the way back to 1981 … ok ..it's on. I'll name the players at #15 that you missed
1981 - AL MACINNIS
1982 - Chris Kontos
1983 - BOB ERREY
1984 - Trevor Steinburg
1985 - David Latta
1986 - Mark Pederson
1987 - JOE SAKIC
1988 - Reggie Savage
1989 - Jason Soulas
1990 - Mark Grieg
Stop me anytime here Engels … I mean you used 1981 to support your argument
1991 - ALEX KOVALEV … three of your guys were almost 30 years ago
1992 - Jason Bowen
1993 - Mats Lindgren
1994 - Alexander Kharlamov
1995 - Jeff Ware
1996 - DANIUS ZUBRUS
1997 - Matt Zultek
1998 - Matthieu Chouinard
1999 - Scott Kelman
2000 - Artem Kryukov
I'll continue when I get a chance … but as you can tell, the 15th spot is the spot that has the LEAST amount of games played in the NHL in the first round. NO joke … look it up
2001 - Igor Knyasev
2002 - Jesse Niinimaki
2003 - Robert Nilsson
2004 - ALEX RADULOV
2005 - Ryan O'Mara
2006 - Riku Helenius
2007 - Alex Plante
2008 - ERIK KARLSSON
2009 - Peter Holland
2010 - Derek Forbort
2011 - JT Miller
2012 - Cody Ceci
2013 - Ryan Pulock
2014 - Dylan Larkin
2015 - Zachary Senyshyn
2016 - Luke Kunin
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Post by Skilly on Apr 10, 2019 16:01:41 GMT -5
JT Miller and Dylan Larkin may get bolded in the future , but right now I have them as maybes …
36 drafts
7 Players - 2 of those players averaged under 0.5 points per game
2 maybes
If you go from 1981 to 2015 , 17 players played less than 100 games, 21 played less than 200 games, and 25 played less than 300 games.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 10, 2019 16:28:58 GMT -5
JT Miller and Dylan Larkin may get bolded in the future , but right now I have them as maybes … 36 drafts 7 Players - 2 of those players averaged under 0.5 points per game 2 maybes If you go from 1981 to 2015 , 17 players played less than 100 games, 21 played less than 200 games, and 25 played less than 300 games. TT's selections in the last two drafts have been much better (as much as we can assess before the true five years later mark) at least in terms of the types of players we should be targeting: players that can play in the new NHL. Now they have to get there. Not all will as we know. TT has to nail the 15th pick and get two decent NHLers out of the two seconds and the third (the odds really drop drastically after that). In theory, we cannot use the same poor development excuse that we had under Lefebvre, but we need to convert more of these picks into roster players that improve the team. There has been a considerable drought on that for a while now. If Berg is not trading seconds and thirds to improve the roster, then those assets have to eventually improve the roster or this strategy is an epic fail. |
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Post by blny on Apr 10, 2019 17:02:48 GMT -5
Brink played in the USHL with Sioux City this past season. He is a legitimate scoring threat and is fast. I watched him at the WJAC and he was very good in that tourney. He is a legitimate consideration at 15. The problem is, I have a fairly long list of legitimate considerations at that point. This draft will be fun. He's got a little more size than Caufield, and similar production. Would certainly make me lean his way if it were between the two. Newhook seems another name prevalent in our area. My mistake though, thought Sioux were in the USDTP. |
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Post by blny on Apr 10, 2019 17:07:04 GMT -5
Seriously Engels!!?? You went all the way back to 1981 … ok ..it's on. I'll name the players at #15 that you missed 1981 - AL MACINNIS1982 - Chris Kontos 1983 - BOB ERREY1984 - Trevor Steinburg 1985 - David Latta 1986 - Mark Pederson 1987 - JOE SAKIC1988 - Reggie Savage 1989 - Jason Soulas 1990 - Mark Grieg Stop me anytime here Engels … I mean you used 1981 to support your argument 1991 - ALEX KOVALEV … three of your guys were almost 30 years ago 1992 - Jason Bowen 1993 - Mats Lindgren 1994 - Alexander Kharlamov 1995 - Jeff Ware 1996 - DANIUS ZUBRUS1997 - Matt Zultek 1998 - Matthieu Chouinard 1999 - Scott Kelman 2000 - Artem Kryukov I'll continue when I get a chance … but as you can tell, the 15th spot is the spot that has the LEAST amount of games played in the NHL in the first round. NO joke … look it up 2001 - Igor Knyasev 2002 - Jesse Niinimaki 2003 - Robert Nilsson 2004 - ALEX RADULOV2005 - Ryan O'Mara 2006 - Riku Helenius 2007 - Alex Plante 2008 - ERIK KARLSSON2009 - Peter Holland 2010 - Derek Forbort 2011 - JT Miller 2012 - Cody Ceci 2013 - Ryan Pulock 2014 - Dylan Larkin 2015 - Zachary Senyshyn 2016 - Luke Kunin Larkin definitely deserves a bold. Elite speed, and very capable at both ends. He and Athanasiou are nearly alone on that team for offense. On a better team he's a league standout. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 10, 2019 18:15:48 GMT -5
Brink played in the USHL with Sioux City this past season. He is a legitimate scoring threat and is fast. I watched him at the WJAC and he was very good in that tourney. He is a legitimate consideration at 15. The problem is, I have a fairly long list of legitimate considerations at that point. This draft will be fun. He's got a little more size than Caufield, and similar production. Would certainly make me lean his way if it were between the two. Newhook seems another name prevalent in our area. My mistake though, thought Sioux were in the USDTP. Too many similar acronyms. The US national development U18 teams plays in the USHL, which is the top junior league in the US. Junior A level. Teams USA has all those 17-18 year olds that are draft eligible. Then players after being drafted play on a regular USHL team or a few go directly to college or turn pro for guys like Hughes. |
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Post by blny on Apr 10, 2019 19:05:18 GMT -5
He's got a little more size than Caufield, and similar production. Would certainly make me lean his way if it were between the two. Newhook seems another name prevalent in our area. My mistake though, thought Sioux were in the USDTP. Too many similar acronyms. The US national development U18 teams plays in the USHL, which is the top junior league in the US. Junior A level. Teams USA has all those 17-18 year olds that are draft eligible. Then players after being drafted play on a regular USHL team or a few go directly to college or turn pro for guys like Hughes. Agreed. It's easy to worry about so many differing draft boards, but there seems to be buzz about a lot of kids in that second ten. It will be interesting to see down the road if this draft is as deep as 2003. |
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